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German man castrates teenage daughter's 57-year-old boyfriend

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Sugar Daddies Beware ........

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/8197617/German-man-castrates-teenage-daughters-57-year-old-boyfriend.html

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john kinsella

What a hero. If i had the balls i would have done the same thing!

strobe

Pace2008 wrote: »

I’d weep for humanity if I thought those supporting the psychopath that carried out the act were sincere, but in reality I’m sure most people are just cock-sizing with their e-peers over who’s the hardest/most “devoted" parent out there.

I, for one, am not impressed.

I was sort of thinking one or two of them reminded me of that kid John in your class in school who used to come out with things like "if one of those fagots ever tried anything on with me I'd kick them to death!!!! GARARRRAR!" and then a few years later you find out he is living in a bungalow with a lumberjack named Steve.

I wonder how many of the "fair play, good enough for the fukker" brigade are thinking about whatever 18 year old pop minx happens to be in the charts at the moment when they fap.

Reeks of over-compensation to me.

KnifeWRENCH

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

Cutting off his balls is an outrageous thing to do and guess what - his young daughter is probably gonna go hunting for a father figure now that he's gonna be doing time for grieveous bodily harm. Didn't think that one through did ya knifey.

No sir, I did not.

Dudess

strobe wrote: »

I wonder how many of the "fair play, good enough for the fukker" brigade are thinking about whatever 18 year old pop minx happens to be in the charts at the moment when they fap.

Reeks of over-compensation to me.

Spot-on.

vibe666

strobe wrote: »

Reeks of over-compensation to me.

reeks a lot more of the difference between the people who have actually had children and would do anything to protect them even after they grow up and the self righteous holier than thou brigade who think they know everything and are continually cruising the forums looking for the next PC cause to champion tbh.

i'd put money on there being a significant majority of posters on the pro ball chopping side being parents and that most of the ones trying to look all civilised not being parents.

i think you'll find a lot of peoples views change once their parental instincts kick in, its just human nature.

Pace2008

vibe666 wrote: »

reeks a lot more of the difference between the people who have actually had children and would do anything to protect them

"When you have kids, you'll understand."

the self righteous holier than thou brigade who think they know everything and are continually cruising the forums looking for the next PC cause to champion tbh.

Those goddamn bleeding-heart do-gooder liberals critisising the act of genital mutilation and those condoning it. What planet are they living on?

i'd put money on there being a significant majority of parents on thepro ball chopping side and that most of the ones trying to look all civilised not being parents

Holding those who condone an act of violence on this scale in contempt; such delusions of eloquence.

i think you'll find a lot of peoples views change once their parental instincts kick in, its just human nature.

I can tell you most certainly, in foresight, that my neurological function will not be impaired by the birth of my child to the extent that I'd consider this crime excusable.

Black and white, black, and white, us and them, us and them.

prinz

vibe666 wrote: »

reeks a lot more of the difference between the people who have actually had children and would do anything to protect them even after they grow up and the self righteous holier than thou brigade who think they know everything and are continually cruising the forums looking for the next PC cause to champion tbh.
i'd put money on there being a significant majority of posters on the pro ball chopping side being parents and that most of the ones trying to look all civilised not being parents. i think you'll find a lot of peoples views change once their parental instincts kick in, its just human nature.

I don't have kids but I do have respect for law and order, and that's not going to change. You can't go around dispensing vigilante justice and expect to get away with it*. He did the crime, he must do the time. Understandable in a time of anger and emotion perhaps, excusable - nope.

...and I'd be the last person accused of being a PC cause champion on these boards :pac:

*unless you're Dirty Harry, in which case carry on.

Dudess

vibe666 wrote: »

reeks a lot more of the difference between the people who have actually had children and would do anything to protect them even after they grow up and the self righteous holier than thou brigade who think they know everything and are continually cruising the forums looking for the next PC cause to champion tbh.

Utter nonsense. How is agreeing/not agreeing with castration reflective of any of the above? It's people who use their parental status as currency to deem their views more "valid" than those who aren't parents that are the self righteous, holier than thou ones.

i'd put money on there being a significant majority of posters on the pro ball chopping side being parents and that most of the ones trying to look all civilised not being parents.

Disagreeing with castration is "trying to look all civilised"? And agreeing with it is a sign of good parenting?

i think you'll find a lot of peoples views change once their parental instincts kick in, its just human nature.

They start to agree with brutality like castration? I would hope not tbh.

Pace2008

Oh, and if I ask my Ma (a parent) what she thinks of this crime I’m certain she’ll find it categorically reprehensible.

Does this make her any less of a parent?

ARE YOU SLAGGIN’ MY MA?? :mad:

vibe666

Pace2008 wrote: »

"When you have kids, you'll understand."

Those goddamn bleeding-heart do-gooder liberals critisising the act of genital mutilation and those condoning it. What planet are they living on?

Holding those who condone an act of violence on this scale in contempt; such delusions of eloquence.

I can tell you most certainly, in foresight, that my neurological function will not be impaired by the birth of my child to the extent that I'd consider this crime excusable.

Black and white, black, and white, us and them, us and them.

there you go getting all holier than thou and proving my point for me, thanks.

and you can sit up on your high horse all you like but you really have no idea at all what having a child is going to do to your neurolical function until it actually happens.

prinz wrote: »

I don't have kids but I do have respect for law and order, and that's not going to change.

again, you can say what you like now, but you have no idea what will happen to you mentally if/when you become a parent so its a moot point until the day comes.

Dudess wrote: »

Utter nonsense. How is agreeing/not agreeing with castration reflective of any of the above? It's people who use their parental status as currency to deem their views more "valid" than those who aren't parents that are the self righteous, holier than thou ones.

i'm not saying anyones view is more valid than anyone elses, all i'm saying is that having kids changes you in a way that people who haven't had kids can't/don't/won't understand. everyone who has posted their nice, civilised, holier than thou opinions since I posted mine have already proved half of my point. all we need is a few of the pro-ball chopping brigade to come along and prove the other half of it and my work here is done.

Pace2008 wrote: »

Oh, and if I ask my Ma (a parent) what she thinks of this crime I’m certain she’ll find it categorically reprehensible.

Does this make her any less of a parent?

ARE YOU SLAGGIN’ MY MA?? :mad:

i would never slag your (YORE?:D) ma or anyone elses for that matter and i wouldn't think anything less of her as a parent for not approving of cutting the old pervs jacobs off but it doesn't change the fact truthiness that people who are parents are much more likely to empathise with someone for doing what this guy did.

i also suspect that social class would have a significant impact on opinion as well. hands up anyone between my two posts who's from a working class background (and proud of it)? nobody? thought not. :pac:

i can almost guarantee that i could tell the breadknife story to pretty much any parent i know who is of a working class background and they will agree with what the father did. that's not to say that they'd be up for doing it themselves, but they wouldn't lose any sleep over it.

included in that would be my wife, my mother, father, brother, sister and quite a few of my friends.

Pace2008

vibe666 wrote: »

and you can sit up on your high horse all you like but you really have no idea at all what having a child is going to do to your neurolical function until it actually happens

I accept I can’t fully appreciate the natural(over)protective instincts that kick in when you have children, but I have family and friends whom I hold dear and I understand what it feels like to love someone, and the desire to shield them from harm along with the associated anger towards those who would harm them.

I also know many parents who would not consider the act in question as acceptable in any way, so you’re not getting exemption from criticism just because you’ve bred.

i'm not saying anyones view is more valid than anyone elses,

This is, in fact, exactly what your posts imply.

i also suspect that social class would have a significant impact on opinion as well. hands up anyone between my two posts who's from a working class background (and proud of it)? nobody? thought not.

I’m sure you might have some sort of point here, but please understand that I can’t read your mind so you’ll have to actually articulate it before I can address it. I’d imagine it’s going to be yet another woefully transparent attempt to create a dichotomy between “real” people and those who are living in a fantasy land due to their sheltered existences.

i can almost guarantee that i could tell the breadknife story to pretty much any parent i know who is of a working class background and they will agree with what the father did. that's not to say that they'd be up for doing it themselves, but they wouldn't lose any sleep over it

Again, what’s your point? I’m the first to jump in when the nasty undercurrent of classism breaches the surface on forum, but values like these are often down to a lack of education. Education is generally conducive to tolerance as it gives us a wider view of the picture and the consequences of actions that we can’t comprehend through personal experience alone.

As a member of the middle class, pretentious, PC brigade (a term you, like many others, are incorrectly using as a wildcard to put down anyone who disagrees with your opinion), and not one of the real, salt-of-the earth people, I’m sure my sentiments aren’t worthy of consideration, but to me your way of thinking is utterly wrongheaded.

Dudess

Passive-aggressive, condescending, smug smileys and advising people they are being holier-than-thou/on a high horse simply because they don't agree with a guy getting his balls sliced off don't really do your argument much favours. Just because people don't agree with the castration doesn't mean they think it's ideal for a man that age to be having sex with a girl of 17... but they do take into account the fact that she gave her consent so it's not really the same as the guy violating her. She's young and has a lot of growing up to do, but still able to make decisions for herself. She is not a small kid, basically.
However, yes, I fully concede having children gives a person a new perspective that a non parent will never grasp (for a lot of things - you don't have to be a parent to understand some stuff though) but no way in hell does it justify castration, parent or non parent. There is nothing holier than thou about finding no justification for that kind of barbarity. But I can understand too her father not liking the idea of her being with a man that much older. Depending on his reasons though, I wouldn't always agree with why.
And yes, it IS "nice and civilised" to not approve of castration - can't see where the sarcasm comes into play...

vibe666 wrote: »

i also suspect that social class would have a significant impact on opinion as well. hands up anyone between my two posts who's from a working class background (and proud of it)?

You didn't give anyone a chance to answer before your snide "Nobody? Thought not! :pac:" exclamation. One poster to this thread is for definite anyway, and is a parent, and is sickened by the castration.

Demonique

vibe666 wrote: »

again, you can say what you like now, but you have no idea what will happen to you mentally if/when you become a parent so its a moot point until the day comes.

Well, in some cases the brain falls out with the baby...

prinz

vibe666 wrote: »

again, you can say what you like now, but you have no idea what will happen to you mentally if/when you become a parent so its a moot point until the day comes.

Funny, because my parents brought me up to now right from wrong. Somehow between being law abiding, young and carefree and having kids they managed to maintain their mental integrity and pass it on to me :rolleyes:

vibe666 wrote: »

i also suspect that social class would have a significant impact on opinion as well. hands up anyone between my two posts who's from a working class background (and proud of it)? nobody? thought not. :pac:.

Define working class? My old fella worked for a living. Does that count?

strobe

vibe666 wrote: »

i also suspect that social class would have a significant impact on opinion as well. hands up anyone between my two posts who's from a working class background (and proud of it)? nobody? thought not. :pac:

It get's weirderer and weirderer. I am, you'll have to imagine I have my hand in the air of course. Why?

i can almost guarantee that i could tell the breadknife story to pretty much any parent i know who is of a working class background and they will agree with what the father did. that's not to say that they'd be up for doing it themselves, but they wouldn't lose any sleep over it.

included in that would be my wife, my mother, father, brother, sister and quite a few of my friends.

The fact that the people you associate with and your family would commit grievous bodily harm on someone for having consensual sex with a member of their family says absolutely nothing about me, my family or anybody else from a working class background. Maybe lunatics just flock together?

SquirrelFace

Somebody watched Hard Candy methinks!

While its legal, its still a bit creepy that the 57 year old is sleeping with a 17 year old, I doubt he was after her for her intellect and charm.. :rolleyes:i somehow doubt the girl (who is (imo) perverted for getting it on with someone older than her own DAD) is mature enough to actually be on the samed level as someone forty years older...

But its wrong to castrate someone..
has it been considered that because the castrated man is older than the father, that perhaps the father and him knew each other and castrated-dude was getting back at him by sleeping with his daughter and thats why he went mad with the auld bread knife?
Just saying as when i was in school, one of the girls in my year got pregnant by her dad's best friend after he'd threatened her that he'd get her dad arrested for something pretty big he was privy to if she wouldnt start sleeping with him. So it was blackmail really and she ended up having a baby, so i guess it could be similar, i havent actually read the article just the other posts.

sollar

Here is a picture of the poor man trying to explain

images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS_ij6VzXcE1ogfzjzA0hFs-1q5kJAa26PPiL4l-a3JwvkX7nyD6Q

artanevilla

sollar wrote: »

Here is a picture of the poor man trying to explain

No, that's the French President, Nicolas Sarkozy.

sollar

artanevilla wrote: »

No, that's the French President, Nicolas Sarkozy.

The dirty b*****d, who'd have thought!!

GaryMunster

Shenshen wrote: »

Yes, certainly, consensual sex does warrant mutilation and possibly death.

What kind of world do you people live in? Do you hide your women under curtains and batter them for speaking in public???

So just because I somewhat agree with what the father did for attacking a Pervert preying on a a naive teen, I must beat my gf?!?

I would rather live in my world rather than your world where you think this is acceptable for a 17 year old to shag a 57 year old. Do you think its ok for a 55 year old to shag a 15 year old then? Oh no because then the law thinks its wrong...

OutlawPete

In this article Danial Radcliffe said he lost his virginity to a "MUCH" older woman when he was just 16 in 2005.

That was the year he starred in one of the Harry Potter films with Emma Thompson :eek:

/Sharpens knife

GLaDOS

GaryMunster wrote: »

Do you think its ok for a 55 year old to shag a 15 year old then? Oh no because then the law thinks its wrong...

Actually would be ok in Germany :pac:

argosy2006

the 57 year old guy broke no law,age of consent in Germany is 14, no mention of him taking advantage of 17 year old,
so only guy that broke law was the father,
Hugh hefner is 84, and doesnt he date twins Kristina and Karissa Shannon, aged 21
pictured here . > http://www.usmagazine.com/uploads/assets/articles/27150-hef-tells-twin-girlfriends-apart---thanks-to-a-mole/hefner-twins-b_0.jpg
one wasnt good enough,
yet he's a hero?,

OutlawPete

argosy2006 wrote: »

the 57 year old guy broke no law,age of consent in Germany is 14, no mention of him taking advantage of 17 year old,
so only guy that broke law was the father,
Hugh hefner is 84, and doesnt he date twins Kristina and Karissa Shannon,
pictured here > http://www.lowprofilerecords.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/gameday_playboy_top.jpg
one wasnt good enough,
yet he's a hero?,

You do realise that pic is of two 'topless' girls?

Banned for Christmas

argosy2006

OutlawPete wrote: »

You do realise that pic is of two 'topless' girls?

Banned for Christmas

No i didnt realise , :eek:
thanks for quoting lol
its not topless if there painted though, their wearing paint,,
i'll change it though

OutlawPete

argosy2006 wrote: »

No i didnt realise , :eek:
thanks for quoting lol
its not topless if there painted though, their wearing paint,,
i'll change it though

I was only messing, you're right sure - technically they are 'wearing paint'

goat2

prinz wrote: »

+1 on all of this. It's not unnatural or perverted to have an attraction to or a sexual interest in a girl of that age. Most people just have the cop on* (*might not be the best way to put it) to know that it would be inappropriate basically in a lot of cases.

I'm only mid twenties but even now if the situation arose I would not be inclined to act on it, had an experience a few years ago too where I met a beautiful girl and assumed her older than she actually was, there was definitely a physical attraction on my part but I used my head instead of something else and was able to distance myself from that situation. It just wouldn't be right, the girl should be having fun with people her own age group etc.

On another note this is something not uncommon, I remember seeing a documentary a few months back about a teenage girl in the UK (IIRC she was 17 too) getting into a relationship with a neighbour who was the father of her best friend at the time, and the two went to Gretna Green to elope. I was impressed by her tbh. She really expressed herself well and maturely and it was obvious from what she said that the relationship with her own parents was dysfunctional prior to her getting involved with the much older man, and then when she was involved with the neighbour suddenly her parents became all concerned etc. Could well be a similar case in Germany. That girl could have been seeking an affection/protection from a man who provided it when her own family possibly didn't.

Anyway the case of the girl in the above documentary was presented as something taboo and shocking, and a couple of days later on the same station was a show about Peter Stringfellow and his young wife who have an age gap bigger than the one involved in this case and it was presented as if nothing was out of the ordinary, quite the opposite, more a celebration of how 'lucky' etc he was to have such a beautiful young wife, despite the fact that he has a daughter almost twice the age of his wife. One law for the 'celebs' another for the plebs?

I don't know if it's all that cut and dried. If anyone did anything to me or my brothers you'd have my da to deal with.:pac:

a sister of mine came home with an older man, our old man showed him an instrument for chopping wood, and told him go for the road and close the gate on his way out, and never come near his daughter again, ha ha ha, it worked

twinytwo

OutlawPete wrote: »

So, if two 17 year olds have sex, that's child sex?

And i suppose if it was your own daughter you would be ok with it, maybe even give the guy your blessing.. give over

IrishB.ie

Dudess wrote: »

I don't think it's paedophilia to have sex with a teenager either - only a pre-pubescent child.

pre·pu·bes·cent

of or pertaining to the years immediately preceding puberty, prepubertal.

pu·ber·ty

the period or age at which a person is first capable of sexual reproduction of offspring: presumed to be 14 years in the male and 12 years in the female.

So you condone a 12 year old girl having sex provided she started puberty.

Thankfully its only your opinion and not that of the lawmakers.

Dudess

IrishB.ie wrote: »

pre·pu·bes·cent

of or pertaining to the years immediately preceding puberty, prepubertal.

pu·ber·ty

the period or age at which a person is first capable of sexual reproduction of offspring: presumed to be 14 years in the male and 12 years in the female.

So you condone a 12 year old girl having sex provided she started puberty.

No? Why is that straw always clutched here? A person saying it's not illegal doesn't mean they approve of it.

Thankfully its only your opinion and not that of the lawmakers.

What's my opinion? That paedophilia is sexual attraction to/sexual abuse of pre-pubescent children? No it's not merely my opinion. Sex with children after puberty is not necessarily right, but it's not paedophilia.