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Magpul PTS ACR Masada Review [discussion]

MerryDespot

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SgtBob

MerryDespot wrote: »

Nope - and I've no intention of trying lipos in it either. I'm not a r.o.f. junkie and mostly fire in semi, so I don't need the increase rof. That and I just prefer using NiMH batteries - especially where you've so much room in the battery space (handguard in this case).

Thats fair, I'm not a big r.o.f person myself, was more thinking of the extended battery life.

But will prob just stick to NiMH myself.

MerryDespot

I always carry spares - but to be honest I've never had a battery die on me over the course of a day since I've started using Intellect or Firefox batteries. I prefer Intellect - never had one die on me. If you're having issues mate try getting a micro processor controlled charger - these wil do a fast charge until fully charged then trickle charge the battery after that - most also have a discharge function as well.

SgtBob

I have only being doing half day gaming so far, so wasn't sure whether I would get a day. I have a micro processor controlled charger and am also using intellect batteries, i'm sure I'll be fine.

The first day out with the Masada was spot on, didn't need to change batteries. Just seeing what opinions are out there.

OddysAirsoft

Kev....Mark was talking to Marcus in Hobby and Marcus was saying that he felt the DE was the wrong colour and that it was in fact more like a Tan and that Magpul have got their colouring wrong, what's your opinion on this?

MerryDespot

Hmmm ... not sure Oddy. I think that the DE colour is actually quite dark. Under camera flash or lights it seems light, but no lighter than my magpul pts m4. I was only thinking the other day that the m4 has started to 'die down' from the new/bright DE colour that it was when new. Even though it's kept clean and is well looked after, the colour has started to darken slightly with wear and use. This is happening on both the polymer parts and the painted metal parts - though it's more evident on the metal.

If the masada reacts the same way it'll 'bed in' nicely.

Every time I take the masada out of the box (yeah, I know, I'm one of those freaks that keeps stuff clean and boxed when not in use) I always think coyote brown when I look at it...

For example - here's the magpul M4 next to other stuff:

And here's the masada again:

If anything Oddy, I think the Masada is darker.

But ... it does look nice next to babypuke multicam - so it'll look good for your Rats camo loadout!

MerryDespot

Ok lads - these have been around for a few weeks now and a few people seem to have picked them up. Question is - has anyone had any issues with them?

Mine has got heavy use on a few weekends and it has yet to deviate from the long ranging awesome aeg that it was on it's first skirmish. I had one issue with the battery connection, where it was slightly loose and easily solved by duct tape - but otherwise it's been solid as a rock.

Has anyone else had issues?

SgtBob

I was talking to Marcus myself yesterday about the color, I had picked up a Magpul MVG foregrip for the Masada, and colour wise that is almost dead on.

Although I can see the difference in your pics above.

I had an issue with mine, started about 1 or so weeks after I got it.

In full auto it started randomly burst firing. I would pull the trigger and in would fire maybe 2, 3, 4... bb's then stop. Were as with a half pull of the trigger, it would happily fire in full auto.

In a funny coincidence, Masada from Eirsoft knew exactly what was causing the issue and had it fixed up very quickly for me

I believe, but am not 100%, that it was to do with the lever that acts on the microswitch in the trigger assembly. Apparently it is the same set up as the Tar-21 and the lever is slightly too big for the cage it sits in and gets stuck. So it needs to be removed and filed down a small bit to allow it to move freely.

Have her back now and still delighted with it. It rocks.

As a warning to everyone.
I have read on a couple of forums that it is a very bad idea to put 11.1v lipo's in as stock, basically heard of a couple of people destroying their gearboxes with one mag. It is definitely not designed for 11.1v lipo out of the box. But for me thats not an issue, I don't need that kind of ROF.

Blazer

Just got a promotion and a payrise at work so I'll think I'll treat myself in the next few weeks...

Where's the best place to buy this...I got the M4 MOE from Tony at eirsoft but don't see the ACR on his site anymore.

SgtBob

Sc@recrow wrote: »

Just got a promotion and a payrise at work so I'll think I'll treat myself in the next few weeks...

Where's the best place to buy this...I got the M4 MOE from Tony at eirsoft but don't see the ACR on his site anymore.

Congrats

Wouldn't mind getting an aul payrise myself

Tony will get one in for you if you ask him. He just doesn't keep them in stock.

Hobby have one in Black in stock as of yesterday, and they are getting them in DE in the next few weeks. As far as I know.

MerryDespot

Hobby Airsoft - as of yesterday they had a black one in stock. If only I'd waited for the black - looks much better in my opinion.

SgtBob

MerryDespot wrote: »

Hobby Airsoft - as of yesterday they had a black one in stock. If only I'd waited for the black - looks much better in my opinion.

I actually wanted it in DE, so I was blessed when I went over to get mine, that it was DE that they had gotten in

I'm not too fond of the Black. I find it to be a bit grey. But to each to their own.

I just think the DE makes it stand out a bit.

TorqueIrl

Only problem ive had with mine was the l/h/s selector switch came a little loose, meaning i had to push the switch in, then turn to select. Marcus had it sorted for me in a day though, ta very much again mate! Overall i absolutely love it still - best way of describing the masada in my opinion is that when you shoot it, everything else you shoot sfterwards suddenly feels fisher-price

darman28

hi lads thinking of of getting a magpul masada or m4 myself.Which to go for the masada or m4 what is recomended.Was wondering where do u get ur magpul m4s from and the price it cost ya please if thats cool.
Also do the masadas come with tight bore barrels and good hopup rubbers.Did anybody get to open it up to have a look at the internals and the gear box to see the quality of the gears, piston, springs,wiring etc thanks.:)

thermo

darman28 wrote: »

hi lads thinking of of getting a magpul masada or m4 myself.Which to go for the masada or m4 what is recomended.Was wondering where do u get ur magpul m4s from and the price it cost ya please if thats cool.
Also do the masadas come with tight bore barrels and good hopup rubbers.Did anybody get to open it up to have a look at the internals and the gear box to see the quality of the gears, piston, springs,wiring etc thanks.:)

there is an in depth reveiw of the masada in this months airsoft international.

i don't know if the inner barrel is a tightbore but i would imagine it is as my fagpul masada is seriously accurate at good range, the stock rubber i found was a little "hard" so i had it changed to a promethes purple hop up rubber and the range is very good.

SgtBob

I can't speak to the Magpul M4, but I love my Masada. As far as I am aware, it doesn't come with a tightbore, but like thermo said, very accurate. I popped a guarder in mine and it fires nice and consistent.

I'm sure there is a review of the M4 somewhere here on boards.

Hobby does both the Masada and the M4, but I'm sure most shops will be able to get them in for you.

darman28

Cheers sgtbob do u know how much the masadas cost at hobby

SgtBob

I think it cost me 550. If I remember correctly.

thermo

SgtBob wrote: »

I think it cost me 550. If I remember correctly.

the same in qas

darman28

cheers seems to be the standard, might wait till the new year to see how much money i have left after xmas.What all did u get with the masada and cant find out what battery it takes:D

thermo

darman28 wrote: »

cheers seems to be the standard, might wait till the new year to see how much money i have left after xmas.What all did u get with the masada and cant find out what battery it takes:D

i use a 9.6v nun-chuck style in mine. which i also got in qas.

darman28

hi lads I heard the masada can be every picky with the mags.Whats your take on this? What mags do u use??cheers

MerryDespot

I've tried magpul pts pmags, king arms metal high caps, g&g high caps (tried the high caps just there to check if they feed alright - normally use mids myself) and mag mids in it. All work. I had an issue with one mag, but it was the mag itself not the masada. I've yet to hear of any of the other lads who've picked one up having an issue with mags.
Hope that helps.

thermo

and i've used src, vfc, mag, dboys and green label pmags no problems with these either

Leftyflip

thermo wrote: »

and i've used src, vfc, mag, dboys and green label pmags no problems with these either

Star mags work great too!

Private Snafu

Just got one of these for myself

My biggest gripe so far is the damn CW thread, meaning I've nothing a bit nicer to put on it :rolleyes:

As far as mags go the only ones Ive had a problem with were the clone EMAGs, needed some slight filing to get right

OddysAirsoft

Merrydespot.....what's your Masada chronoing in at?

SgtBob

I have used ICS, G&G, King Arms and PMAGs. They all worked fine. However I found a KWA mag would not seat in properly, hence it would drop right out of the receiver.

I use a 9.6v with mine, but have noticed the odd jam while on full auto, thats the odd time it is on full auto with me. I have been meaning to pick up an 8.4v to try out.

FRUoddy, obviously don't know about merrydespot's, but mine chrono'd at 315-320 fps with G&G .20 bb's last time I was out.

hitman__

I have used various mags with mine, MAG midcaps, mix of hi-caps CA, Dboys etc, no problems so far. 9.6v standard battery, just under the 1J limit. Excellent range, very accurate, close grouping for an airsoft rifle

OddysAirsoft

Ok 2 things! First.....be careful. When I was at RedBarn my gun was put through the chrono and they stuck a sticker on the upper receiver - when I took the sticker off it pulled the paint off the gun and marked gun :mad:

Also found out my gun was running at about .84j - I thought this could be improved slightly so bought a systema 1j spring and swapped it out. Gun worked fine and was unable to get a chrono reading but the hop up now doesn't work at all now no matter how much you dial it up

I am using a soft silicon guarder hop!

Also I have two pmag high caps from king arms? that work very well but they are not a perfect fit and have to be slapped in hard and can come loose in a fire fight where you have to give the bottom a tap to re-engage it properly. The Magpul PMag mids are perfect and never miss a beat!

I know I am not giving enough info to work out what's wrong but just thought I would add this to the pot!

MerryDespot

Oddy, mine chrono'd (on the stock spring, without chopping/modding) at just over the joule (think it was 335 fps) with .2 bbs. Cutting off a single loop of the spring brought it down to 310 fps with .2s. Was all changed out while setting up for hrta - it was that simple.

I'm not surprised to hear about that issue with the paint - though mine has yet to get a scratch, I have lost paint off a gun with the red barn stickers (from a vfc 416!) - now on I always make sure they go onto plastic parts of any gun.

As for mag feeding - I mostly use the pmags, and as you said above - not a single issue with them.

And .... finally - the hop. I haven't changed mine from what came with it, even with the spring changes. I've been advised that changing hop rubber could give me increased range (in fact, Thermo has demonstrated it to me with his - outranging me slightly using heavier bbs!) - but with all the flying about europe like a spare prick for the past two months, I haven't had time to mess with it!!

Other than that Oddy - how're you finding it? I've found myself grabbing it ahead of the magpul moe m4 when I've been going out the door - they're much of a muchness.