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How do you become you?

Patri

So I was studying biology today, the human reproductive system and it got me thinking, how do you become you?
For instance, when you develop a brain do you suddenly develop consciousness? Or are you aware of yourself before fertilisation?

Just pointless thoughts but it's kind of interesting.

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galwayrush

I'll have a double black rum if you're buying.:)

alwaysadub

With me, something got fcuked up somewhere anyway!

KeithM89_old

"So I was studying biology today,"

You lost me there....

digme

Patri wrote: »

So I was studying biology today, the human reproductive system and it got me thinking, how do you become you?
For instance, when you develop a brain do you suddenly develop consciousness? Or are you aware of yourself before fertilisation?

Just pointless thoughts but it's kind of interesting.

Consciousness produces the brain

Patri

galwayrush wrote: »

I'll have a double black rum if you're buying.:)

:pac:

darragh16

Patri wrote: »

So I was studying biology today, the human reproductive system and it got me thinking, how do you become you?
For instance, when you develop a brain do you suddenly develop consciousness? Or are you aware of yourself before fertilisation?

Just pointless thoughts but it's kind of interesting.

There was a spider in the bath the other day...

Mint Sauce

I was in my grannies womb

Princess Peach

irish-stew wrote: »

I was in my grannies womb

Now thats a messed up family tree!

raah!

What if people start talking about abortion!?

All that pleasant speculation ruined.

In my opinion, when looked at from a chemical/material basis, there's never really such a thing as "you". Unless 'you' is just some label arbitrarily mashed onto a clump of cells. "Consciousness" can be said to be just neurons firing in a certain way or arranged in this or that fashion.

The firing of those neurons is determined by physics and chemistry, so things you "think" aren't really thought by you, but just matter interacting with other matter, all of which is governed by physics.

Mint Sauce

Princess Peach wrote: »

Now thats a messed up family tree!

So was every one, think about it for a mo

[Deleted User]

Patri wrote: »

So I was studying biology today, the human reproductive system and it got me thinking, how do you become you?
For instance, when you develop a brain do you suddenly develop consciousness? Or are you aware of yourself before fertilisation?

Just pointless thoughts but it's kind of interesting.

René Descartes had a long day at work telling people "I think therefore I am". By the time he got to the bar he was hankering for a guinness big time.

"Hey René" said the barman "a coke again tonight is it?"

"I think not" replied René Descartes.

So he disappeared.

Princess Peach

irish-stew wrote: »

So was every one, think about it for a mo

Do I need to give you lessons on the female reproductive system?

[Deleted User]

raah! wrote: »

What if people start talking about abortion!?

There is always one.

aidan_walsh

irish-stew wrote: »

So was every one, think about it for a mo

Pretty sure I was never near your gran.

karlog

Princess Peach wrote: »

Do I need to give you lessons on the female reproductive system?

Why are you a lesbian?

Princess Peach

aidan_walsh wrote: »

Pretty sure I was never near your gran.

Hahaha!

According to him everyone was in his gran at some stage!

johnnyskeleton

Deleted User wrote: »

René Descartes had a long day at work telling people "I think therefore I am". By the time he got to the bar he was hankering for a guinness big time.

"Hey René" said the barman "a coke again tonight is it?"

"I think not" replied René Descartes.

So he disappeared.

That was Des Carthy, from Co. Clare.

MagicMarker

Patri wrote: »

Or are you aware of yourself before fertilisation?

Your biology teacher should be sacked.

Mint Sauce

Princess Peach wrote: »

Hahaha!

According to him everyone was in his gran at some stage!

nooooooooooo, they were in their own gran.

a females eggs or ovas, are formed by the time she is born. meaning that i was in my own grans womb as an unfertilised egg in my mother

everyone else was in their own gran

Calibos

Princess Peach wrote: »

Do I need to give you lessons on the female reproductive system?

No, but it seems you need them

A female fetus is born with all the eggs the female will ever have in her ovaries. ie, the egg that you or your brother etc came from was inside your mother while she was still a fetus inside your gran. Sperm on the other hand are 'made to order' so to speak

baltimore sun

raah! wrote: »

The firing of those neurons is determined by physics and chemistry, so things you "think" aren't really thought by you, but just matter interacting with other matter, all of which is governed by physics.

Can't argue with that.

If you really want to get freaked out go download yourself some podcasts on mirror neurons & neuroscience, they'll pretty much explain that nothing is real and everything is merely only perceived and how humans perceive things because they're basically accepted as that while an animal can perceive the exact same thing in a completely different way. See, for example, how dogs perceive time, see also how bats and "see" sound, see also how some animals "see" scents

It's fascinating stuff altogether.

But on a basic level, I think that a "you" doesn't exist until birth, before that you're not really properly alive so can't you be a "you".
horrah for science.

scientific1982

The brain is the hardware and the environment is the software. However, we are all born with some predetermined traits.

[Deleted User]

Was there not something about this before? How our actions are determined by other experiences that make us more alert about our surroundings, but also make us more conscious to the fact that we're more alert?

There's some theory out there. Can't remember the name of it, but I'm fairly sure the word "Omega" is in the title of it.

It's something to do with the human race become more aware of things surrounding us (dangers, threats, damaging the environment, etc), which makes us more conscious of ourselves and our actions (more paranoid, etc.), and not being able to turn back to a prior point, and this going on and on until we're essentially drones or some such. Too afraid to do anything, but conscious, so we realise that we're afraid. I think.

I didn't read it all. It was a head melter for the short while I did look at it.

In fact, if anyone knows what I'm talking about, and read it and understands it, I'd love to hear a joe-soap version. Very interesting, though.

Princess Peach

irish-stew wrote: »

nooooooooooo, they were in their own gran.

a females eggs or ovas, are formed by the time she is born. meaning that i was in my own grans womb as an unfertilised egg

Thats not a person though!

Stop trying to find a way of salvaging your gran's reputation.

Mint Sauce

Calibos wrote: »

No, but it seems you need them

A female fetus is born with all the eggs the female will ever have in her ovaries. ie, the egg that you or your brother etc came from was inside your mother while she was still a fetus inside your gran. Sperm on the other hand are 'made to order' so to speak

<phew>

someone who got my post

Mint Sauce

Princess Peach wrote: »

Thats not a person though!

Stop trying to find a way of salvaging your gran's reputation.

ah you know what i meant

[Deleted User]

Patri wrote: »

how do you become you?

In my usual format of following up a dumb ass post with a semi seious one.... if you really want to get pedantic about it you become you every moment of every day.

You are the sum of your parts and you are the sum of your experiences. The "you" that exists "now" became that "You" the moment before.

The "You" that is "You" changes every moment... meaning the "you" that was "you" that read the first word of this post... the post that the "i" that was "i" wrote.... is not the same "you" reading the same "i" that was the "i" that wrote the post before the "you" that is "you" now started to read it back when the "you" that is "you" now was the "you" that "you" were then when you first opened it.

Do "you" get it now? Or at least does the "you" that gets it now realise what the first "you" that understood it first understood when that "you" got it?

raah!

baltimore sun wrote: »

Can't argue with that.

If you really want to get freaked out go download yourself some podcasts on mirror neurons & neuroscience, they'll pretty much explain that nothing is real and everything is merely only perceived and how humans perceive things because they're basically accepted as that while an animal can perceive the exact same thing in a completely different way. See, for example, how dogs perceive time, see also how bats and "see" sound, see also how some animals "see" scents

It's fascinating stuff altogether.

Deary me! I have no intention of being freaked out

. It is very interesting though.

Princess Peach

I definitely wouldn't be calling an egg a person with thoughts though.

You're clever quip did not amuse me.

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