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Kevin Myers: FF will always be loved by Irish people

th3 s1aught3r

He said that even though FF have helped to ruin the country and in the past have mismanaged things and have a littany of 'dodgy' leaders, they will always recover and get back into power becasue the Irish people have an in bred love for FF. The other parties just dont have the same connection with the people
So basically they will lose the next election and probably be out of power for a couple of terms and then back with a vengence to wreck things all over again :eek:

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Biggins

seamus wrote: »

Hah. They drove the bus, they drove too fast, they ignored all the red lights and stop signs, and then they crashed into a group of children and killed them all.
But we're only blaming them because they're standing beside the bus trying to sort the mess out?

If your using that analogy... then the FF driver of the bus (...drove the bus, drove too fast, ignored the red lights/stop signs, crashed into a group of children and killed them all.) might get off the bus and try and help out still...

...but he(they) are still accountable for their actions (previous and current) and if they are continuing to do the similar actions in other areas even now and/or support futile, poor choices, they most certainly should not be allowed drive any more buses!

Just a thought!

ejmaztec

His career peaked when he did the first Austin Powers movie.

ghostdancer

th3 s1aught3r wrote: »

This is true
FF have a knack of putting 'popular' local people up , GAA heros etc. How this qualifies them to be a TD is another matter

it's better than FG's celebrities candidates, who usually either make an absolute balls of getting elected (eg. Graham Geraghty), or make a balls of the job after they get elected (eg. George Lee)

Son Of A Vidic

Kevin 'MyArse' has a penchant for speaking through his ar$e!

Biggins

medicman2009 wrote: »

Kevin 'MyArse' has a penchant for speaking through his ar$e!

Sadly, he's got too a newspaper to speak through as well!

th3 s1aught3r

How does one explain how man like Charlie Haughy and Bertie have been massively popular Taoiseach when they were in power even though we always knew they might be a 'little bit dodgy'
Why do they attract criminals like Ray Burke, Padraic Flynn, Liam Lawlor into their ranks ?

Biggins

th3 s1aught3r wrote: »

How does one explain how man like Charlie Haughy and Bertie have been massively popular Taoiseach when they were in power even though we always knew they might be a 'little bit dodgy'

Short version: people tend to overlook individual "flaws" because they appear to be of nice character/thinking and "Sure isn't he a grand chap!"

th3 s1aught3r wrote: »

...Why do they attract criminals like Ray Burke, Padraic Flynn, Liam Lawlor into their ranks ?

Birds of a feather, tend to stick together!

Manic Moran

topper75 wrote: »

I thought getting most votes qualifies you?

No, that just appoints you. Being qualified to do a job and hiring someone to do a job are not necessarily going to be interdependent.

NTM

Pherekydes

orourkeda wrote: »

He's 100% correct

Correct. To wit:

th3 s1aught3r wrote: »

He said that even though FF have helped to ruin the country and in the past have mismanaged things and have a littany of 'dodgy' leaders, they will always recover and get back into power becasue the Irish people have an in bred love for FF. The other parties just dont have the same connection with the people
So basically they will lose the next election and probably be out of power for a couple of terms and then back with a vengence to wreck things all over again :eek:

Rebelheart

I wouldn't lower myself to reading that Myers arsehole. But whatever he said: he's wrong. Trust me.

Back in 1996 he was going on about how Michael D. Higgins was the sperm of IRA men and women (or words to that effect) and that his idea to create TnaG/TG4 was the equivalent of creating "Teilifis de Lorean". TG4 is today far and away the best value TV station which Ireland has. He was wrong, gloriously wrong.

Myers is an undereducated English born and bred anti-Irish myopic fúckwit. Having said that I'm still laughing at his rant with George Hook earlier this year.

Nodin

medicman2009 wrote: »

Kevin 'MyArse' has a penchant for speaking through his ar$e!

Thats Colonel Myarse to you, pal.

KnifeWRENCH

Nodin wrote: »

It won't be the same crew though, or nessecarily the same ethos.

A lot of people seem to forget this. Obviously the country doesn't need another Cowen or Bertie or Haughey, but who's to say future generations of FF won't produce another Sean Lemass instead?

Certainly they do not deserve to be in power after the next election, and the current lot don't deserve to ever be in Govenment again. But parties can change, provided their members change. Not saying it'll ever happen, but sure ya never know!

oppenheimer1

I opened a thread in politics on the subject last night and before the publication of the article in the paper ( http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056084143 ). I have to say I disagree with kevin for the reasons I've outlined. There are too many people with huge mortgages, to forget the damage done to the economy that FF did. If the country is turning around in two elections time, it will be the final nail in the coffin of the FF party. After this election they will cease to exist as a major force and the following as a force at all. The brand is too damaged to resuscitate.

The only thing FF have is an excellent structure on the ground. This though will align itself with new parties that rise out of the ashes of FF

FF (1926 - 2010) RIP

No flowers please

Namabillion

Totally agree with Myers.

Spacedog

given that I never voted for either FF or FG, and anyone I ever votted for who ever gave a crap about ireland never got elected. i've always wondered who these people are who don't know anything about the people they are electing other than looking at telegraph poll signs and seeing which party leader makes the least slipups in the FF FG on the latelate the night before the election.

Unless we swamp the elections with proper independent candidates and break this party political bull**** once and for all, we will be back to square 1. we have to stop electing politicians and start electing people who care about the community and the country.

Liam Byrne

Presumably Myers means the bastardised version of "Irish people" that's doing the rounds these days......you know - the collective one that caused the crisis ?

th3 s1aught3r

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Presumably Myers means the bastardised version of "Irish people" that's doing the rounds these days......you know - the collective one that caused the crisis ?

One can only hope that this crisis will mean a generation of Irish will think twice about voting for FF in the future

Augmerson

Those of us with sense will realise we have a duty to future generations never to let FF into power again, but moreso, to watch the people we elected to represent us like a hawk. In my opinion, Proportional representation has alot to answer for. I remember Mary Harney going on back in 2005/06 about Sinn Fein having no mandate from the people... ... Jesus ****! Who voted for her?!

gemscorp

Kevin Myers: FF will always be loved by Irish people
He said that even though FF have helped to ruin the country and in the past have mismanaged things and have a littany of 'dodgy' leaders, they will always recover and get back into power becasue the Irish people have an in bred love for FF. The other parties just dont have the same connection with the people
So basically they will lose the next election and probably be out of power for a couple of terms and then back with a vengence to wreck things all over again

He's right again. He just is. Anyone who says otherwise is one of the braindead of which there are many in this country.

topper75 wrote:

I thought getting most votes qualifies you?

How old are you or how long have you been a student of politics?

Manic Moran wrote:

No, that just appoints you. Being qualified to do a job and hiring someone to do a job are not necessarily going to be interdependent.

And is that all you have to say on the subject?

BOTTOM LINE: It barely matters who's in office from now on, just as it hasn't really mattered since the last European Yes that people voted for. Welcome to Europe. You voted for this. Didn't you read the fine print. Biffo didn't even bother reading the large print, he was too busy drinkin and toasting the dead tiger.

Ulysses Gaze

Much as I loathe Myer, he's right on this one.

The "Republican" (snicker) Party will be back at the helm by 2016 - just in time for the century celebrations of the Easter Rising.

Where The Soldiers of Bankruptcy are concerned, a huge swathe of the Irish population seem to suffer from a politicised form of 'Battered Wives' syndrome.

Jesus Wept

Rebelheart wrote: »

I wouldn't lower myself to reading that Myers arsehole. But whatever he said: he's wrong. Trust me.

Back in 1996 he was going on about how Michael D. Higgins was the sperm of IRA men and women (or words to that effect) and that his idea to create TnaG/TG4 was the equivalent of creating "Teilifis de Lorean". TG4 is today far and away the best value TV station which Ireland has. He was wrong, gloriously wrong.

Myers is an undereducated English born and bred anti-Irish myopic fúckwit. Having said that I'm still laughing at his rant with George Hook earlier this year.

TV3 is the best value station we have.
It's free.

Einhard

Rebelheart wrote: »

I wouldn't lower myself to reading that Myers arsehole. But whatever he said: he's wrong. Trust me.

Have you ever read Watching the Door, about his time as journalist in the North during the Troubles? It's quite good, I'd recommend it. It's about as far away from his usual scribblings as you can get. Plus, you can always borrow it or steal it so that he doesn't profit from it!

Myers is an undereducated English born and bred anti-Irish myopic fúckwit. Having said that I'm still laughing at his rant with George Hook earlier this year.

I know he tends to rub people up the wrong way, but the one thing he doesn't come across as is uneducated. I wouldn't really see him as anti-Irish either; more like anti-practically everything modern. I agree though, he probably dreams of the glories of Empire every single night.

smellslikeshoes

He is right, after they get a drubbing in the next election they will be in opposition for a few years then right back to power. The generation of people marginalised and out of work because of Fianna Fail's mismanagement will have long emigrated at that stage.

Dartz

He's probably reading this topic right now....

:paranoia:

lugha

Alas, he is right, although I will continue to hope that this time it is different.
But along with the GAA and the RC church, FF have been part of the trilogy of great Irish institutions.

The church' stock had fallen in the last couple of decades and the GAA's has risen, but I fear FF present difficulties will be temporary. The next FG + Lab government will get the blame for the mess and FF will come roaring back in 5 years.

th3 s1aught3r

lugha wrote: »

The next FG + Lab government will get the blame for the mess and FF will come roaring back in 5 years.

I would really hope that people would remember in five years time who was in power when the mess occured. If people voted FF back in becasue they thought it was FG/Labour then frankly we deserve all the **** that happens to us