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Cheque time

phill106

I am fuming listening to the news.
In the 90s, public sector moved from a cash wages system to issuing cheques. They then graciously allowed staff 30 minutes off a week to lodge said cheques in their banks.
The year is now 2010. None of them are now paid by cheque. They want to keep cheque time...
Really?

YOU AREN'T PAID BY CHEQUE ANYMORE!

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[Deleted User]

SeanyM wrote: »

But the truth is that if the job is so fantastically paid, and apparently has so many perks (such as the ENORMOUS 12hrs PER YEAR banking time that they get on their clock) then why did nobody want the job during the boom??

Lots of jobs are well paid or have perks, it doesn't mean everyone wants them :rolleyes:
Catch me being a taoiseach!

SeanyM wrote: »

a "gold pension" that we are now paying for 100% ourselves. which basically means we put by a little each payday for 40yrs to get it paid back to us when we retire. Woo-frickin-hoo.
.

Ehm... no you aren't. Not if you're in DB.

dvpower

Absurdum wrote: »

that's right, let's all bash each other over an apparent 12 hours per annum perk that many, if not most, don't even get whilst the real scum in the Dáil pay themselves a minimum of €61 per day just to turn up, or €2.3m in expenses when the Dáil isn't even sitting

see, I can be sensationalist too :P

That's right. Let's ignore all other reforms until the political system is sorted out.
Obfuscation, thats the trick.

Absurdum

that's right, let's all bash each other over an apparent 12 hours per annum perk that many, if not most, don't even get whilst the real scum in the Dáil pay themselves a minimum of €61 per day just to turn up, or €2.3m in expenses when the Dáil isn't even sitting

see, I can be sensationalist too :P

dvpower

These silly practices uncover some of the problems in the PS. They (their unions) don't quite seem to have joined the real world. But the problem is in management; any decent management would, at the stroke of a pen, eliminate this benefit and many like it; like the privilege days that many staff get. At this stage in the game these should all be gone.

[Deleted User]

This story reminds me of the British rail "spanish practice" of paying staff the cost it would take them to walk to the next signal box if they had to relieve staff there.

A "perk" that started in the 19th century, when there were no cars, the unions went on strike in the 1990's to retain it! They managed to keep "firemen" in diesel trains for a good many years as well.

SEPT 23 1989

This highlights the reason why i want the IMF to officially take hold of this rotten cesspit

dvpower

dvpower wrote: »

I AM your boss:pac:

Fúck that. I take it back. I'm just an unsecured creditor:(

dvpower

SeanyM wrote: »

Oh ****! please dont tell my boss i enacted my "sense of humour" mode outside of work hours or i'll be sacked

I AM your boss:pac:

starbelgrade

SeanyM wrote: »

OH! oh oh oh! tou-frickin-che! u cut me deep man! anyway i gotta go, id love to sit and take the piss out of you all night but theres a huge PS party goin on funded by the government, diva fever are playin and i will DIE if i miss them!

You work for the Public Sector - you take the piss every day - whether you're posting here or not!

SeanyM

starbelgrade wrote: »

No thanks. I enjoy working.

OH! oh oh oh! tou-frickin-che! u cut me deep man! anyway i gotta go, id love to sit and take the piss out of you all night but theres a huge PS party goin on funded by the government, diva fever are playin and i will DIE if i miss them!

SeanyM

dvpower wrote: »

See. Services that are of no use to anyone.

Oh ****! please dont tell my boss i enacted my "sense of humour" mode outside of work hours or i'll be sacked

starbelgrade

SeanyM wrote: »

Yes i am because my wages are so measly

No but seriously, get a life. Im using my bf's username because i was BORED and felt strongly about this particular subject. But seriously man, come join us in the PS and use the WHOPPER WAGES to get yourself some sort of social life.

No thanks. I enjoy working.

SeanyM

starbelgrade wrote: »

Hmm. You registered in 2008 & posted in the Airsoft forum at 15:41 on Christmas Eve. That was your one & only post.... until today, when this thread started, almost 2 years later.

Odd.

My guess is that you are a regular poster here - but under a different username.

So, the question is.... are you ashamed to admit you are a PS worker as your normal username? And if so... why?

Yes i am because my wages are so measly

No but seriously, get a life. Im using my bf's username because i was BORED and felt strongly about this particular subject. But seriously man, come join us in the PS and use the WHOPPER WAGES to get yourself some sort of social life.

dvpower

SeanyM wrote: »

Suck my big fat PS b*lls.

See. Services that are of no use to anyone.

SeanyM

starbelgrade wrote: »

Aha... so the PS bills are big & fat!

hahahaha they sure are

starbelgrade

SeanyM wrote: »

Suck my big fat PS b*lls.

Aha... so the PS bills are big & fat!

gurramok

SeanyM wrote: »

Suck my big fat PS b*lls.

:eek:

Is this the voice of the public sector?

starbelgrade

SeanyM wrote: »

i believe i have explained my position on both points further on in this debate.

Hmm. You registered in 2008 & posted in the Airsoft forum at 15:41 on Christmas Eve. That was your one & only post.... until today, when this thread started, almost 2 years later.

Odd.

My guess is that you are a regular poster here - but under a different username.

So, the question is.... are you ashamed to admit you are a PS worker as your normal username? And if so... why?

SeanyM

dvpower wrote: »

This is the most dumb PS argument ever.
Its made by people who haven't yet faced the reality (I hope) of the impending change in the public service.

Suck my big fat PS b*lls.

Mod note, user banned for this comment

SeanyM

starbelgrade wrote: »

How can you say that you are sick of moaners & also call people on the dole "social welfare scroungers" in the same post?

And as far as I know, SW recipients don't get paid by cheque & they get paid in the Post Office & not the bank.

i believe i have explained my position on both points further on in this debate.

SeanyM

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Chill. You'll live longer. This public sector v private sector thing really needs to be ****ing put to bed. Not aimed at you personally, aimed at people from both sides. Never went in much for schadenfreude. Everyone's suffering, and yet peope are trying to make others suffer more.

Could not agree with you more. You seem like a reasonable person if only we'd put YOU in government! i know i seem to have got caught up in the whole public v private sector but to be honest i respect anybody who gets out and earns a living, i do agree that there are people out there on ridiculous wages, both public and private sector, but it just seems like the whole country is turning on themselves, and thats not gonna get us anywhere.

Fair enough. I though as much, to be honest.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

SeanyM wrote: »

you vent your anger, i vent mine. im sick of hearing that we are responsible for the destruction of this country when there are scroungers sittin on their ass taking advantage of this country, i for one will be the first to stand up for people in a difficult situation with no choice other than to rely on benefits to get them through a tough time. If they've lost their job then by all means take every single benefit that you are entitled to, because in so many cases these people have paid their taxes for that very reason. and in the case of people who have any sort of disability then of course the state should do absolutely everything in its power to help these people. But in my line of work i see people day in day out living off benefits simply because they can. And it sickens me that im am being personally attacked, despite the fact that i got off my ass and got a job and do a full weeks work week in week out, breaking my balls only to be hit with criticism everytime i open a bloody newspaper.

Chill. You'll live longer. This public sector v private sector thing really needs to be ****ing put to bed. Not aimed at you personally, aimed at people from both sides. Never went in much for schadenfreude. Everyone's suffering, and yet peope are trying to make others suffer more.

SeanyM wrote: »

oh sorry i forgot to reply to your other question, no i honestly have not heard any objection to the retraction of bank time. it really isnt that big a deal, i think that yet again the media are putting it out there to turn the public against us yet again.

Fair enough. I though as much, to be honest.

starbelgrade

SeanyM wrote: »

1. its not "cheque time", its "bank time". That does not specify whether the staff are paid by cheque, cash, or eft, it just entitles the staff to half an hour to go to the bank to avoid the lunch time queues when social welfare scroungers are lodging THEIR cheques.

2. I personally couldnt give a flying f*ck if i lost the bank time, im just personally sick of all the moaners out there. There are bigger problems in the world!

How can you say that you are sick of moaners & also call people on the dole "social welfare scroungers" in the same post?

And as far as I know, SW recipients don't get paid by cheque & they get paid in the Post Office & not the bank.

dxhound2005

Below is part of the statement from the CPSU. Given that the population of the country increased from 3.705 to 4.47 million in the period the 22% increase in junior ranks could be justified. However the others are just evidence of empire building and could surely be pruned to provide some savings. This is not an argument for keeping the cheque thing but you wouldn't expect the union to roll over straight away. Everyone wants to keep what they have, the bankers mega pay and bonuses, electricians special pay rates etc etc.

The CPSU General Secretary points to the disproportionate increase in higher management grades in the civil service.
Between 1998 and 2009 there was a 60% increase in the number of Assistant Secretaries General.
There was a 462% increase in the number of Higher Principal Officers, with a 43% increase in the number of Principal Officers.
The number of Higher Assistant Principals soared by 339%, the number of Assistant Principals rose by 61%, and the number of Higher Executive officers by 72%.
Executive officers rose by just over 100%.
However, at the lower end of the pay scales, staff officer numbers were up by just 22%, and the ranks of clerical officers only increased by 14%.

dvpower

SeanyM wrote: »

shoulda gone down the public sector route so.

This is the most dumb PS argument ever.
Its made by people who haven't yet faced the reality (I hope) of the impending change in the public service.

SeanyM

SeanyM wrote: »

you vent your anger, i vent mine. im sick of hearing that we are responsible for the destruction of this country when there are scroungers sittin on their ass taking advantage of this country, i for one will be the first to stand up for people in a difficult situation with no choice other than to rely on benefits to get them through a tough time. If they've lost their job then by all means take every single benefit that you are entitled to, because in so many cases these people have paid their taxes for that very reason. and in the case of people who have any sort of disability then of course the state should do absolutely everything in its power to help these people. But in my line of work i see people day in day out living off benefits simply because they can. And it sickens me that im am being personally attacked, despite the fact that i got off my ass and got a job and do a full weeks work week in week out, breaking my balls only to be hit with criticism everytime i open a bloody newspaper.

oh sorry i forgot to reply to your other question, no i honestly have not heard any objection to the retraction of bank time. it really isnt that big a deal, i think that yet again the media are putting it out there to turn the public against us yet again. I have had so many paycuts, and like everyone else the income levy, but i honestly dont mind, if that is what is needed to fix this country then so be it. What i dont agree with is the pblic lynching of PS workers. We are just people like yourselves, tying to get by and pay the bills.

ejmaztec

People give me cheques and I have to have Elastoplast Time to recover from paper-cuts. I'm glad I'm not a Haemopheliac, I'd never get any work done at all.

dvpower

SeanyM wrote: »

Personally i havent heard one colleague object to the bank time being taken away. its not that big a deal. And life is not as simple as we needed your services but now we dont. These workers have families to support, mortgages/bills to pay. Its not as simple as bye bye! God how i wish your mother/father/sister/brother/son/daughter was a PS worker who got the scak.

Attitudes might change then eh?

The CPSU are objecting. I posted a link earlier in the thread.

I have a lot of family members working in the PS and I worked in the civil service both here and abroad for a good number of years. I've got a lot of respect for the work that they do but there are are realities here. WE CANT AFFORD THESE SERVICES. We need to have a much cheaper public service.

In other industries getting the sack is a reality of life. the company where I work, we made 1/3 of the staff redundant around the start of the recession. We didn't have the luxury of an unlimited taxpayer bailout. why should you?

SeanyM

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Doesn't explain the worthless dig, especially considering one of your benefits is job security.

One thing i would honestly like to know (because the thread source is vague): IS there actually any objection amongst public sector works to the scrapping of the rule, or is that just AH/journalistic ****stirring? I know one of the unions was against it, but no reasons were given.

you vent your anger, i vent mine. im sick of hearing that we are responsible for the destruction of this country when there are scroungers sittin on their ass taking advantage of this country, i for one will be the first to stand up for people in a difficult situation with no choice other than to rely on benefits to get them through a tough time. If they've lost their job then by all means take every single benefit that you are entitled to, because in so many cases these people have paid their taxes for that very reason. and in the case of people who have any sort of disability then of course the state should do absolutely everything in its power to help these people. But in my line of work i see people day in day out living off benefits simply because they can. And it sickens me that im am being personally attacked, despite the fact that i got off my ass and got a job and do a full weeks work week in week out, breaking my balls only to be hit with criticism everytime i open a bloody newspaper.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

SeanyM wrote: »

They lodge their huge Rent Supplement cheques in the bank, i know for a fact.

Doesn't explain the worthless dig, especially considering one of your benefits is job security.

One thing i would honestly like to know (because the thread source is vague): IS there actually any objection amongst public sector works to the scrapping of the rule, or is that just AH/journalistic ****stirring? I know one of the unions was against it, but no reasons were given.