SeanyM wrote: » a "gold pension" that we are now paying for 100% ourselves. which basically means we put by a little each payday for 40yrs to get it paid back to us when we retire. Woo-frickin-hoo.
SeanyM wrote: » yes we may have gathered a pitiful extra in our paypackets with benchmarking, but it has been taken back from us penny by penny over the last couple of yrs with reductions in pay.
SeanyM wrote: » no job is unsackable, but the only perk of this job is "job security". You all could have taken advantage of it, but didnt, and its too late to bitch about it now.
SeanyM wrote: » Basically all the big boom big spenders out there are looking for a scapegoat, and childishly latched on to the medias way of thinking. dont believe everything u read in the papers.
bleg wrote: » You get a grip. They aren't paid by cheque any more, so "cheque time" is being phased out. It's perfectly logical and reasonable. I'm completely confused as to 1. why it still exists when cheques were phased out ages ago and 2. how people can argue for it remaining in place.
SeanyM wrote: » Benchmarking - was retracted 5yrs service and still on 28k and even with 40 yrs service at the lower grade will not go past approx 33k. during the boom i had a friend who worked for quinn direct and with bonuses was earning about 40k pa, doing the same hrs as myself, and was only in the door. But he chose big wages over job stability, yet is now bitching about PS workers. He had many a chance, as did everyone else, to join the PS, but chose not to as it seemed a pathetic choice compared to potential earnings in the private sector back then.
1. its not "cheque time", its "bank time". That does not specify whether the staff are paid by cheque, cash, or eft, it just entitles the staff to half an hour to go to the bank to avoid the lunch time queues when social welfare scroungers are lodging THEIR cheques.
dvpower wrote: » The boom is over. We can no longer afford your services at the levels you are charging. We would like to keep as many of you on as we can; we recognise that you provide valuable services and we want to retain as many of these as we can, but the prices we are willing to pay for them are now changed utterly. We are currently borrowing nearly 20bn each year to keep afloat and some people want to retain an extra 1/2 hour pay per fortnight to cash a cheque they no longer get. Get a grip.
Ikky Poo2 wrote: » Having worked in public and private sector, I'm not goign to get into that debate - there are pros and cons to every job - but I still don't see an answer the question as to why people should object to it being scrapped. ... and that little dig was completely below the belt and unnessecary. Also, social welfare recepients get paid aty the post office in cash, not the bank.
orourkeda wrote: » I worked there. I can tell you that didnt last long
gurramok wrote: » and you get better returns upon retirement than your private sector counterpart. Ye gathered hell of alot to be far overpaid for the role ye are in. Try getting a job in the private sector now at your wage. Oh wait, there are no jobs! Proven decisively wrong in the Politics Forum. Take a gander over there and argue your case if you dare! Huh? We pay your wages so have you been productive ?
SeanyM wrote: » This i cannot emphasise enough - the Ps cried out for workers during the boom, if we live in such a magical & fantastic world you should have come joined us!
SeanyM wrote: » They lodge their huge Rent Supplement cheques in the bank, i know for a fact.
Ikky Poo2 wrote: » Doesn't explain the worthless dig, especially considering one of your benefits is job security. One thing i would honestly like to know (because the thread source is vague): IS there actually any objection amongst public sector works to the scrapping of the rule, or is that just AH/journalistic ****stirring? I know one of the unions was against it, but no reasons were given.
SeanyM wrote: » Personally i havent heard one colleague object to the bank time being taken away. its not that big a deal. And life is not as simple as we needed your services but now we dont. These workers have families to support, mortgages/bills to pay. Its not as simple as bye bye! God how i wish your mother/father/sister/brother/son/daughter was a PS worker who got the scak. Attitudes might change then eh?
SeanyM wrote: » you vent your anger, i vent mine. im sick of hearing that we are responsible for the destruction of this country when there are scroungers sittin on their ass taking advantage of this country, i for one will be the first to stand up for people in a difficult situation with no choice other than to rely on benefits to get them through a tough time. If they've lost their job then by all means take every single benefit that you are entitled to, because in so many cases these people have paid their taxes for that very reason. and in the case of people who have any sort of disability then of course the state should do absolutely everything in its power to help these people. But in my line of work i see people day in day out living off benefits simply because they can. And it sickens me that im am being personally attacked, despite the fact that i got off my ass and got a job and do a full weeks work week in week out, breaking my balls only to be hit with criticism everytime i open a bloody newspaper.
SeanyM wrote: » shoulda gone down the public sector route so.
SeanyM wrote: » 1. its not "cheque time", its "bank time". That does not specify whether the staff are paid by cheque, cash, or eft, it just entitles the staff to half an hour to go to the bank to avoid the lunch time queues when social welfare scroungers are lodging THEIR cheques. 2. I personally couldnt give a flying f*ck if i lost the bank time, im just personally sick of all the moaners out there. There are bigger problems in the world!
SeanyM wrote: » oh sorry i forgot to reply to your other question, no i honestly have not heard any objection to the retraction of bank time. it really isnt that big a deal, i think that yet again the media are putting it out there to turn the public against us yet again.
Ikky Poo2 wrote: » Chill. You'll live longer. This public sector v private sector thing really needs to be ****ing put to bed. Not aimed at you personally, aimed at people from both sides. Never went in much for schadenfreude. Everyone's suffering, and yet peope are trying to make others suffer more. Could not agree with you more. You seem like a reasonable person if only we'd put YOU in government! i know i seem to have got caught up in the whole public v private sector but to be honest i respect anybody who gets out and earns a living, i do agree that there are people out there on ridiculous wages, both public and private sector, but it just seems like the whole country is turning on themselves, and thats not gonna get us anywhere. Fair enough. I though as much, to be honest.
starbelgrade wrote: » How can you say that you are sick of moaners & also call people on the dole "social welfare scroungers" in the same post? And as far as I know, SW recipients don't get paid by cheque & they get paid in the Post Office & not the bank.
dvpower wrote: » This is the most dumb PS argument ever. Its made by people who haven't yet faced the reality (I hope) of the impending change in the public service.
SeanyM wrote: » i believe i have explained my position on both points further on in this debate.
SeanyM wrote: » Suck my big fat PS b*lls.
starbelgrade wrote: » Aha... so the PS bills are big & fat!
starbelgrade wrote: » Hmm. You registered in 2008 & posted in the Airsoft forum at 15:41 on Christmas Eve. That was your one & only post.... until today, when this thread started, almost 2 years later. Odd. My guess is that you are a regular poster here - but under a different username. So, the question is.... are you ashamed to admit you are a PS worker as your normal username? And if so... why?
SeanyM wrote: » Yes i am because my wages are so measly No but seriously, get a life. Im using my bf's username because i was BORED and felt strongly about this particular subject. But seriously man, come join us in the PS and use the WHOPPER WAGES to get yourself some sort of social life.
dvpower wrote: » See. Services that are of no use to anyone.
