sensibleken wrote: » Absolutely. And its done in such a way to make sure they have no interest in it at all. To really get enthusiastic about a subject you need to explore it not learn off poems, conjugate verbs, stand in a freezing field with a sliotar. no effort is made to cultivate or nurture enthusiasm. hust learn the thing because its going to be on the exam Schools force everyone into one way of thinking, or they try to anyway, its particularly bad for teens when theyre trying to find their own individuality. I hated all irish subjects in school but love them all now (bar gaa)
Iwasfrozen wrote: » As for Dublin I've never met anyone, who wasn't from the country, who regarded football as anything other then soccer. That's why Liam's statment that the word "football" in Ireland always means gaelic is nonsense.
Iwasfrozen wrote: » How about sticking to established conventions in Ireland? Personally I like gaelic I even used to play it, but it was never referred to as football where I'm from.
listermint wrote: » Besides our shared history, is not a nations native tongue something that should be preserved, and or promoted through proper defined teaching methods.
listermint wrote: » I would fear that if removed from the mandatory list most children would not gain access to this and or not choose to gain access.
listermint wrote: » However would you or would you no agree that it is valid to retain a compulsory association with the irish language. Besides our shared history, is not a nations native tongue something that should be preserved, and or promoted through proper defined teaching methods. I would fear that if removed from the mandatory list most children would not gain access to this and or not choose to gain access. The teaching of it would maintain no special significance and frankly with funding and what not the vast majority of schools may remove from the curriculum and base the staff elsewhere. Culturally yes i do believe that a shared cultural approach to education works. Be it by native sport or associated activities this can hardly be a bad thing when so many children these days are physically disassociated through social networking sites / online gaming / television. The view that some posters on here have an abhorent 'hatrid' to a subject i would term as it being presented to them in a crude and ill though out manner. But that again is another thread..
Liam Byrne wrote: » I guess the All-Ireland Football Final is a soccer match, so ?
Liam Byrne wrote: » As you said yourself, it's not an established convention in "Ireland" to refer to soccer as "football"; it may well be in Dublin, for whatever reason, but most of "the country" including the other cities view it as I do, so therefore the "established convention" backs me up.
Liam Byrne wrote: » Is "soccer" a universal convention across the country ? No. But it's certainly a majority convention.
Liam Byrne wrote: » Just as a matter of interest - if you were going to play indoor "xxxxxxxx", what do you call it ? I can honestly say that I don't think I've ever heard the phrase "indoor football".
Eliot Rosewater wrote: » But I don't see how it is ethical to use the education system to further one's cultural aims? Your reasoning above does not consider the child. You're teaching them Irish for the good of the language only. Surely an education system should based around what's best for the child?
Eliot Rosewater wrote: » But I don't see how it is ethical to use the education system to further one's cultural aims? Your reasoning above does not consider the child. You're teaching them Irish for the good of the language only. Surely an education system should based around what's best for the child? Well, you could make it mandatory for schools to at least offer Irish. If people aren't taking it up, then is that not evidence that people simply don't care? You may think it's important, but if so many students don't want to do it it's obvious that a significant proportion of our country does not share your view. The question is: why do you get to decide what is important?
Eliot Rosewater wrote: » The question is: why do you get to decide what is important?
Iwasfrozen wrote: » No, it's a gaelic match. You mean indoor soccer? You realise indoor soccer has a completely different rule set to normal soccer and isn't the same sport, right?
Amhran Nua wrote: » Irish history is a long and sorry tale of invasion, persecution, and warfare going back centuries. You don't have to like that it is taught, but taught it will be. And to the immense credit of the Irish education system, it somehow doesn't turn out hordes of anti-English zealots. Most Irish people recognise that the past is the past. As for the Irish language, I'd view it as a vital and interesting part of the school curriculum. The way it's taught is a tragedy, however I believe the DoE is taking steps to address that.
Rabble Rabble wrote: » The major team sport involving a ball in most countries is called football - in Ireland it changes depending on how popular the game is in every region.
donegalfella wrote: » This post has been deleted.
Every country's history is a tale of invasion, persecution and warfare. Even the "Saxon foe" was invaded by Normans, the French, Dutch (Willem van Oranje). I don't think history should be "national" history, but an account of the general technological, social and artistic events of each time.
Can you show me anywhere in Irish history textbooks where the British are noted for having made a positive contribution to life in Ireland?
Frankly, Irish history as taught in schools is a exemplary case of "What 'av the Romans ever done for us?"
Iwasfrozen wrote: » No, it's a gaelic match.
Iwasfrozen wrote: » Seeing as both Monaghan and Dublin are iboth n Ireland then it is not established convention to call gaelic football throughout Ireland.
Iwasfrozen wrote: » You mean indoor soccer? You realise indoor soccer has a completely different rule set to normal soccer and isn't the same sport, right?
Eliot Rosewater wrote: » Well, you could make it mandatory for schools to at least offer Irish. If people aren't taking it up, then is that not evidence that people simply don't care? You may think it's important, but if so many students don't want to do it it's obvious that a significant proportion of our country does not share your view. The question is: why do you get to decide what is important?
Rabble Rabble wrote: » In fact education is about telling people about the world, including the culture, they grow up in and passing on the knowledge of generations.
sensibleken wrote: » In fairness, if kids could drop maths they would.
sensibleken wrote: » Hes not making a decission, hes putting forward an arguement. All decisions like this are made by adults upon arguements put forward by adults
listermint wrote: » As a whole. Which is why due to economic driven demands so much emphasis has been put on sciences and maths recently.
listermint wrote: » Is it not a justified case to retain a strong link to our combined historys if this takes place in a language so be it. This is Ireland, Why not teach Irish.
listermint wrote: » I think you are making this more personal. But thats my opinion.
listermint wrote: » So I can't see how giving the children the decision makes remotely any sense.
Eliot Rosewater wrote: » Yes, I suppose I am. If and when I have children I will take a very personal interest in their education. I intend it to be the best it can be. I don't think that learning Irish will contribute much to their life, and, furthermore, there's a 90% chance that when they grow up they'll agree with me.
Eliot Rosewater wrote: » But the argument is that some adult is allowed to decide what every other adult's child studies. In the case of core subjects, like maths and English, this is well and proper. In the case of Irish, where its implementation in the education system is merely to promote the language and is not for the good of the child, it is not well and proper.
Rabble Rabble wrote: » The negatives out-weigh the positives.
Rabble Rabble wrote: » However that didnt fit the anti-religious and anti-Catholic narrative. Apparantly English Catholics invading one city in 1200,
sensibleken wrote: » which is the case for all subjects. some adults decide whats on the curricular for all kids, its not a democracy. English is a good example, what use is shakespeare, milton or any other important aspects of british culture? none, but its good to learn them.
Liam Byrne wrote: » That it is, but it's called "The All-Ireland Football Final", and everyone knows what that means. So what do Monaghan & Dublin people mean when they say "All Ireland Football Final" ?
Liam Byrne wrote: » I do, just like Rugby Football has a different rule set to American Football.....but why do you call it indoor soccer ? Why don't you call it indoor football ?
Liam Byrne wrote: » Soccer is the football game that doesn't allow you to handle the ball. There's an indoor version of it, called indoor soccer, but it's still soccer.
