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effective Irish people who did not need a private school

Police Chief Wiggum

a pal and his wife are at daggers drawn because one values the child going to the school down the road and being able to 'get along with everyone'

and the other wants the child to go to a fee paying school so that he can be 'in with the movers and shakers....':eek:

I was wondering who has not been harmed by going to the local secondary school, such as
Miriam OCallaghan,
Gay byrne,
attorney general rory brady,
Ian Dempsey,

anyone else who has thrived despite not paying 7000 a year?
apart from yourself that is;)

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dvpower

sensibleken wrote: »

I went to officially the second worst seconday school in the country. I had to cheat my ass off in the leaving cert just to get into college. Once i got in there i was fine and have managed to get a good job and become quite well read.

Not a complete success.

Edit: Cheap shot. I feel bad now.

faceman

I'm sending my kid to a private school if I can afford it. Private schools don't tolerate poor performing teachers, public schools do. Its nothing to do with snobbery, it's to do with giving your kids the best opportunities you can

yeahme

orourkeda wrote: »

Perhaps I'm just cynical about these things and this is probably an extreme example: say you have two people competing for one job, one has a degree from Trinity College and the other has a qualification from a college with a perceived lesser reputation. Are you saying that this will count for nothing.

in a face to face interview, it wouldnt matter, personality comes out then, and before that it would be work experience etc....

orourkeda

coconut5 wrote: »

I don't subscribe to this opinion at all. Loads of kids go to private schools and still have to repeat their Leaving Cert. If you are bright, you'll do well, it's as simple as that. I think a lot of public schools are really good anyway, we don't have a major divide between public/private education in this country, as far as I can see.

But say if a smart kid goes to a 'bad' secondary school, they will receive a lot of encouragement from their teachers because they will really be rooting for them to do well, and there will be a lot less pupils in the honours classes. In a private school, they could be one of 30 bright kids, get lost in the crowd, feel the pressure and completely crumble, actually doing worse than they should have.

Perhaps I'm just cynical about these things and this is probably an extreme example: say you have two people competing for one job, one has a degree from Trinity College and the other has a qualification from a college with a perceived lesser reputation. Are you saying that this will count for nothing.

bodun

super_furry wrote: »

Plus they'll develop a deep and meaningful love for rugby and deck shoes.

Don't forget buggery!

orourkeda

seven-iron wrote: »

Most business owners, entrepreneurs and doctors come from private schools. Same with all the high level judges. I'm definitely sending my kids to private school. I think they'll get the best possible education and hopefully the best opportunities in life.

It's the same in a lot of countries. The vast majority "elite", for want of a better term, will all have attended prestigious private schools and their nations best universities.

Everything in Ireland is two tiered, the health system, the education system and the justice system to name three and is always loaded in favour of those with the most money. It's possible to achieve in life without the benefitof a private or college education but becomes that bit more difficult.

coconut5

seven-iron wrote: »

Most business owners, entrepreneurs and doctors come from private schools. Same with all the high level judges. I'm definitely sending my kids to private school. I think they'll get the best possible education and hopefully the best opportunities in life.

And most of those are from really wealthy families as well. If you can afford it, fine, but personally I think it is the biggest waste of money.

_feedback_

orourkeda wrote: »

That was supposed to be a response to your little dig at me typing school incorrectly. Forget it.

It wasn't a dig. I was pointing out the irony of spelling the word school wrong in the first reply to a thread about education. No need to get the knickers in a twist about it.

I've never taken a secretarial course btw, and I've nothing against anyone that has.

coconut5

orourkeda wrote: »

That's not always true.

Where you attend school can affect your prospects enormously. Intelligence on its enough isnt enough and the education you receive will dictate if a student fulfils their potential or not. i.e the better the school the better your chances.

As you mention sometimes in life it's a case of who and not what you know. It's not always on merit. If you extend this logic a couple of steps further is the benefit of academic attainment given the credit it deserves in these circumstances.

I don't subscribe to this opinion at all. Loads of kids go to private schools and still have to repeat their Leaving Cert. If you are bright, you'll do well, it's as simple as that. I think a lot of public schools are really good anyway, we don't have a major divide between public/private education in this country, as far as I can see.

But say if a smart kid goes to a 'bad' secondary school, they will receive a lot of encouragement from their teachers because they will really be rooting for them to do well, and there will be a lot less pupils in the honours classes. In a private school, they could be one of 30 bright kids, get lost in the crowd, feel the pressure and completely crumble, actually doing worse than they should have.

orourkeda

elviscostello wrote: »

and where does a secretarial course come in to all this?

I didn't think school came in to the equation at all for most prospective employers.

That was supposed to be a response to your little dig at me typing school incorrectly. Forget it.

Sometimes your school can influence your prospects for a whole host of reasons. People will never admit it though.

seven-iron

Most business owners, entrepreneurs and doctors come from private schools. Same with all the high level judges. I'm definitely sending my kids to private school. I think they'll get the best possible education and hopefully the best opportunities in life.

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orourkeda wrote: »

There is a certain snobbery around academic qualifications. If a prospective employer had to choose between two candidates with similar qualifications, it has been known to happen that the one who attended the school or college that is perceived to be more prestigious will be selected.

Personality or appearance may also influence

and where does a secretarial course come in to all this?

I didn't think school came in to the equation at all for most prospective employers.

humberklog

OP, sounds as though it's the parent that wants to be in with movers and shakers at the school gate.

orourkeda

biko wrote: »

If you're a bright kid where you attend school won't matter much.

Private school is good for daft kids with wealthy parents. That way he or she will learn the importance of "it's not what you know, it's who you know".

That's not always true.

Where you attend school can affect your prospects enormously. Intelligence on its enough isnt enough and the education you receive will dictate if a student fulfils their potential or not. i.e the better the school the better your chances.

As you mention sometimes in life it's a case of who and not what you know. It's not always on merit. If you extend this logic a couple of steps further is the benefit of academic attainment given the credit it deserves in these circumstances.

orourkeda

elviscostello wrote: »

I think a lot depends on the person, and not the school that they attend.

There is a certain snobbery around academic qualifications. If a prospective employer had to choose between two candidates with similar qualifications, it has been known to happen that the one who attended the school or college that is perceived to be more prestigious will be selected.

Personality or appearance may also influence

super_furry

biko wrote: »

Private school is good for daft kids with wealthy parents. That way he or she will learn the importance of "it's not what you know, it's who you know".

Plus they'll develop a deep and meaningful love for rugby and deck shoes.

biko

If you're a bright kid where you attend school won't matter much.

Private school is good for daft kids with wealthy parents. That way he or she will learn the importance of "it's not what you know, it's who you know".

kmick

Royston Brady*

*This is a joke thread right Ted?

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orourkeda wrote: »

That secretarial course is really coming through for you.

I think a lot depends on the person, and not the school that they attend.

orourkeda

elviscostello wrote: »

oh oh !

That was quick. That secretarial course is really coming through for you.

_feedback_

orourkeda wrote: »

nobody "needs" a private scholl with a functioning education system

oh oh !

sensibleken

I went to officially the second worst seconday school in the country. I had to cheat my ass off in the leaving cert just to get into college. Once i got in there i was fine and have managed to get a good job and become quite well read.

orourkeda

nobody "needs" a private school with a functioning and well funded education system.

The problem is not the private school, it's that fact that we don't have a properly funded primary and secondary school system