spiralism wrote: » Thats debatable that the bears deserved to win tbf, pack had a blocked fg and 2 INTs on the game winning drive wiped out due to stupid penalties (of which there were 200 yards).... yet, despite a 200 yard handicap and repeated shooting of themselves in the foot, packers only lost to a last second fg, it's still clear as day who the team to beat in the NFC north is
themont85 wrote: » The Pack may well beat them in Lambeau but the teams are very close to one another sorry despite what Pack fans and the media are saying. As Trent Dilfer said-the holding calls will not go away. Against elite pass rushers like Peppers they will go on. They can't run the ball either. That will prohibit them going forward. Both those teams may well be top 3 in the NFC but they lag behind the Steelers and Colts as of now.
Oatesy23 wrote: » I'll take Cutler before Cade McNown, Rex Grossman, Kyle Orton, Brian Griese etc... His positives outweigh the negatives by far. Do you think any of the QB's I listed above could make some of those throws that Cutler did last night?. The guy is a warrior. He got smacked in the head, gets up and still shows no fear slinging the ball around the field going 3/4 on the rest of the drive.
Oatesy23 wrote: » Bears offense doesn't do as well against a great defense, que shock..
Oatesy23 wrote: » This is our biggest problem, the slants and anything underneath was always there because we NEVER EVER press the WR's.
Oatesy23 wrote: » Don't get it twisted. Rodgers was never hit because your line held on most plays. Peppers would have had 2+ sacks easily if they didn't. It depends which way you want to look at it, you can praise Rodgers for making a play and blame the line for holding or you can be honest and say if they didn't hold Rodgers wouldn't have made some of those plays. You wont because you don't play a DE like Peppers every week.
Oatesy23 wrote: » No shocks here, it doesn't change anything. The divison is still the Packers to lose. Nobody is saying we are a great football team(other than the team, of course) but we have won our 3 games so far. Cutler could throw a bomb to Knox or could die on a play, that's the way the team is. Only thing for certain on this team is that Lance Briggs and Brian Urlacher have a serious chance of going back to the pro bowl and playing beside each other. What I think is hilarious is the amount of Packer fans on other forums I use who keep saying ''we dominated in every stat and you were lucky''. These are the same people who 2 weeks ago were saying to us ''stats don't matter if you don't win'' mid way through the Lions game. Some people need to get their head out of their ass, fact is the Packers f**ked up.
themont85 wrote: » Holding, intentional grounding and pass interference aren't mistakes, they are done purposely to avoid sacks and touchdowns. That's why the Packers did them. There is a misconception that holding is a mistake and that it wipes big gains and TDs out needlessly. We heard the same when the Cowboy had a TD wiped with no time left versus the 'Skins, but if you look at it, there is no way Romo had the time in and out of the pocket to pass the ball. He held onto it with good coverage downfield and could wait for a guy to get open because of the holds. O linemen sometimes get beef for holding when the truth is the QB is holding onto it for too long and the wide outs aren't getting open. The Bears destroyed the Packers on special teams and STs is an integral part of the game. Too many people discount it.
cooker3 wrote: » Kicking the ball out of play from kick-off, doing a retarded late spear tackle. Going head first into the QB, illegal start formations, delay of games are all mistakes of our all making and nothing to do with the Bears. They were the majority of our penalties. Without them we win the game. I totally agree about special teams though. They crushed us there.
themont85 wrote: » The Bears had a penalty for going head into the QB and iirc a couple of false starts too. The spear tackle and kicking it out on the kick off were bad but didn't lose the game. Those are mistakes, just like Clark droping a TD or Gould missing a FG which is very kickable by his calibre. The truth is the Bears made more plays than the Packers. The Bears dominated on Special Teams and that won the game, both offences weren't great but played 2 top defences who contrast in style. The Packers got short gains because the Bears defend deep downfield and look to extend drives which is unusual. The Bears got a couple of big plays because the Packers are more aggresive but ultimately couldn't punch it in. As for the two Qbs. I do prefer Rodgers, he is unreal in the red zone. But both have pros and cons, AR holds onto the ball too long, he is a great player though. Cutler is clutch, that pass to Olsen was amazing given the pressure. He is awful though in the red zone and won't be top tier until he irons that out (if he can). Cutler has been a starter for longer but Rodgers has been in the league longer and crucially in the same system. We heard it yesterday from the comms, whilst this was just his 5th Bear game, he has prepared for them 11 times now. Cutler is in his 3rd offensive system since arriving in the League.
Oatesy23 wrote: » Poor Devin Aromashodou, he's in the famous Lovie doghouse. Many a player got caught in there and never returned. Had high hopes for him . Tommie Harris dropped too...finally..
cooker3 wrote: » Yeah the Bears made some mistakes but what you seemed to be suggesting above is the Bears won the game because they forced us into all or most of our mistakes. On that I disagree. No doubt they contributed to some of our errors and penalties but the majority of them are of our on doing and totally self inflicted. If we don't commit them we win the game imo. I look at this game as 1 we lost more than the Bears won. Hell if Jones holds the ball properly I think we win the game although I don't want to take away from the awesome play of Urlacher there. As for Cutler, if he was good enough then he would have stayed under the same system as he would have never been traded to begin with. He does make some excellent throws and has the talent but he doesn't do it enough imo. I think he is capable of being a true elite QB but whether he can do it is something I really question.
themont85 wrote: » Shanahan was fired and McDaniels was in, there was no way the system remains the same. As I said above; holding, intentional grounding, pass interference and some false starts (obviousely some are due to crowd noise, the ones on the goal line was due to pressure from the Bears line) aren't mistakes and as for the actual 'mistakes', the Bears can point to some of their own too-dropping TD catch, an Int and a missed field goal. The Bears made more plays fact, blocked FG, forcing a fumble and scoring more points. The Packers didn't make enough plays.
cooker3 wrote: » Small points, false start is a mistake. This mistake on the goal-line don't bother me at all; there is no incentive not to try and react as quick as you can there as we can't actually lose yardage so it's worth committing false start penalties if you can nail it. I think we are going in circles now. I think we just fundamentally weight the respective mistakes differently. I weight our self inflicted mistakes higher and think they cost us the game. You weight the mistakes the Bears induced more and think they cost us the game.
cooker3 wrote: » What happened with Aromashodou? I had him in my fantasy team week 1 and he delivered a pretty healthy points tally. I would have thought the Bears need all the wr talent they can get as it's something they are lacking in.
themont85 wrote: » Read somewhere that Cutler, Martz and Co weren't pleased with some of what he said on the sideline. Basically implied that he wimped out of catches over the middle where you want your receiver to make plays. Probably internet BS though.
FreeOSCAR wrote: » How do people rate the Chiefs chances of reaching the playoffs?
Hulk Hands wrote: » Yep spot on, once the Vikings get their WR situation sorted out during the bye week you will see something close to the team that dominated the division last year
Prefab Sprouter wrote: » Its a weak division, probably the weakest in the NFL. And they already have beaten San Diego. I'm hoping they'll be runing out of steam by the time the Raiders play 'em!! But joking aside, I wont be surprised to see em in the playoffs and fair play to them if so.
