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What Has Happened To Society?

RockinRolla

Has anyone noticed the way we are becoming more egotistical and violent?

What has a huge impact on our lives? Television of course. And Music.
Back in the 60's we preached love, now we preach hate. The Beatles, Eric Clapton, Bob Dylan, Pink Floyd, Bob Marley and Jimi Hendrix have been cast aside for 50 Cent and Lady Gaga.

What are we becoming?

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WindSock

RockinRolla wrote: »

I meant that nowadays, it's all marketing...virtually anyone can become famous through manipulation.

Sure the record industry really took off in the 50's & 60's. Wonder how that happened

Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Monkees

The generation of the 60's/70's listened to love, now we are forced to listen to hate, racism, "gangsta" crap they call music...

Forced to listen to?

The generation of the 60's / 70's listened to Rock n Roll which preached immorality too...

The devils work it was.

RockinRolla

WindSock wrote: »

Sure the record industry really took off in the 50's & 60's. Wonder how that happened

Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Monkees

Forced to listen to?

The generation of the 60's / 70's listened to Rock n Roll which preached immorality too...

The devils work it was.

Do you know how astonishingly simple it is to create music nowadays? The real talent has gone. I think there's great role-models out there but they're not heard because rec. corporations are force feeding us pure ****.

I don't want to listen to "I'm goin te blow da nigg@s head off mutherfocker b!tch @ss trick" or whatever the f*ck...it's so cringe worthy that these little white kids are walking around thinking they are part of a different ethnic group. It's having a serious effect in modern society.

If The Beatles or Pink Floyd was on the radio these days, people would be different.

tricky D

Too much brown acid

Banned Account

RockinRolla wrote: »

Do you know how astonishingly simple it is to create music nowadays? The real talent has gone. I think there's great role-models out there but they're not heard because rec. corporations are force feeding us pure ****.

I don't want to listen to "I'm goin te blow da nigg@s head off mutherfocker b!tch @ss trick" or whatever the f*ck...it's so cringe worthy that these little white kids are walking around thinking they are part of a different ethnic group. It's having a serious effect in modern society.

If The Beatles or Pink Floyd was on the radio these days, people would be different.

Just so you know dear old chap - you can actually listen to what you'd like to listen to - this is one aspect of democratic evolution that ou may have over looked.

It's on. It's off. It's back on. It's back off.

Simples.

Ash.J.Williams

we didn't have the 60's though...that was The USA and London? We had showbands.

Biggins

Noopti wrote: »

Sure look at Rihanna. ...she ponders whether he is "big enough", basically asking if he has a big enough penis for her. So she obviously has a vagina like a wizards sleeve.

Leave that with me, I'll look into it and get back to you.

WindSock

RockinRolla wrote: »

Do you know how astonishingly simple it is to create music nowadays? The real talent has gone. I think there's great role-models out there but they're not heard because rec. corporations are force feeding us pure ****.

On the contrary I would say there are more musicians creating their own music than ever nowadays. Anyone can learn, record and distribute / air via the internet. It's not just the reserve of the privilaged or the tortured souls anymore.

I don't want to listen to "I'm goin te blow da nigg@s head off mutherfocker b!tch @ss trick" or whatever the f*ck..

Neither do I. And I don't.

.it's so cringe worthy that these little white kids are walking around thinking they are part of a different ethnic group. It's having a serious effect in modern society.

Because people admire / identify with the culture other ethnic groups, society is going to the dogs?

Should we Irish just all listen to trad then and wear farmer capíns?

If The Beatles or Pink Floyd was on the radio these days, people would be different.

Most of the 'music' on the main stations sing about love / heartache / going out to dance in skimpy clothes. Hardly messages of hate. Just a string of rhyming soulless nonsense mostly.

Napper Hawkins

I like to think we didn't have the 80's either.

fontanalis

mikom wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genghis_Khan

In fairness to auld Genghis he was just a product of his times. Many Western leaders were just as brutal but we don't think of them in the same way.

Archeron

My dad often talks about how great the world was in his day, and how much less violent. He would talk about how you could go to mass and leave the doors unlocked so Mrs McGinty next door could check on the potatoes, and life was sweetness and innocence.

And in the next sentence, he will happily proceed to tell me about how men used to fight for jobs down the docks, that it was common to use slash hooks to fight, and how corpses could often be found floating down the Liffey with horrendous head injuries.

Doesnt sound all that peaceful to me.

Of course there is also the subject of child abuse which is so much less likely to happen now that people know what goes on, compared to the naive innocence of days gone by where a child "couldnt be safer" than in the company of a religious man or woman.

Oh, and my parents had the living sh*te beaten out of them by mental case teachers and nuns, and sometimes for the horrendous crimes of not having money to give to the holy charities, even though they themselves could barely afford to eat. Not enough of a reason to avoid a beating though.

Owwmykneecap

RockinRolla wrote: »

Has anyone noticed the way we are becoming more egotistical and violent?

What has a huge impact on our lives? Television of course. And Music.
Back in the 60's we preached love, now we preach hate. The Beatles, Eric Clapton, Bob Dylan, Pink Floyd, Bob Marley and Jimi Hendrix have been cast aside for 50 Cent and Lady Gaga.

What are we becoming?

****ing stupid if the OP is an example.

Ireland in the good old days: You listened to 1 and 2

Nodin

RockinRolla wrote: »

Has anyone noticed the way we are becoming more egotistical and violent?

What has a huge impact on our lives? Television of course. And Music.
Back in the 60's we preached love, now we preach hate. The Beatles, Eric Clapton, Bob Dylan, Pink Floyd, Bob Marley and Jimi Hendrix have been cast aside for 50 Cent and Lady Gaga.

What are we becoming?

That was the era of vietnam, seperate bathrooms for black and white, civil rights marches in NI being batoned off the streets, charles manson, industrial schools and magdalene laundries........

smokedeels

estrogen in the water

Nodin

Also, we need a poll as to whether the OP is serious or not...

laugh

fontanalis wrote: »

In fairness to auld Genghis he was just a product of his times. Many Western leaders were just as brutal but we don't think of them in the same way.

Yea go easy on oul Genghis the mother was telling me last week he's a relation of ours.

Nodin

smokedeels wrote: »

estrogen in the water

That would explain the rising number of gays, protestants and coloured folk, certainly.

thebigbiffo

RockinRolla wrote: »

Do you know how astonishingly simple it is to create music nowadays? The real talent has gone. I think there's great role-models out there but they're not heard because rec. corporations are force feeding us pure ****.

I don't want to listen to "I'm goin te blow da nigg@s head off mutherfocker b!tch @ss trick" or whatever the f*ck...it's so cringe worthy that these little white kids are walking around thinking they are part of a different ethnic group. It's having a serious effect in modern society.

If The Beatles or Pink Floyd was on the radio these days, people would be different.

nothing is more cringeworthy than someone who thinks they've got superior musical tastes ranting about it on the internet.

btw: if it's so easy to make this music go make a few mill on it - hit me up with just 100 grand and i'll be happy!

Logical Fallacy

RockinRolla wrote: »

Has anyone noticed the way we are becoming more egotistical and violent?

What has a huge impact on our lives? Television of course. And Music.
Back in the 60's we preached love, now we preach hate. The Beatles, Eric Clapton, Bob Dylan, Pink Floyd, Bob Marley and Jimi Hendrix have been cast aside for 50 Cent and Lady Gaga.

What are we becoming?

A huge amount of these "lovely songs from the 60's" are basically about drugs and ****ing.

At least now we are being upfront with what pop music is about.

RockinRolla

thebigbiffo wrote: »

nothing is more cringeworthy than someone who thinks they've got superior musical tastes ranting about it on the internet.

btw: if it's so easy to make this music go make a few mill on it - hit me up with just 100 grand and i'll be happy!

Buy Pro Tools 8 LE system and mess around with a few synths. Bob's your uncle and fanny's your aunt.

thebigbiffo

RockinRolla wrote: »

Buy Pro Tools 8 LE system and mess around with a few synths. Bob's your uncle and fanny's your aunt.

*faps instead

Logical Fallacy

RockinRolla wrote: »

Buy Pro Tools 8 LE system and mess around with a few synths. Bob's your uncle and fanny's your aunt.

Pro Tools does not a great producer make. People can make music all the want, that doesn't mean it will get heard, purchased or they can make a living from it.

Besides, it was far cheaper back in the day to buy a guitar than it is to buy Pro Tools.

There is enough music being made in the world now that putting something online is the basic equivalent to busking on Grafton Street. No hype, no dice.

RockinRolla

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Pro Tools does not a great producer make. People can make music all the want, that doesn't mean it will get heard, purchased or they can make a living from it.

Besides, it was far cheaper back in the day to buy a guitar than it is to buy Pro Tools.

There is enough music being made in the world now that putting something online is the basic equivalent to busking on Grafton Street. No hype, no dice.

I agree. Now we are fed artists who just have been invested by a multi-billion dollar record label instead.

Duggy747

Eurgh, Woodstock 69 would have been a bit of craìc to go to but to be surrounded by all that idealistic love and hippies............*shudders*

Look, we all know violence was invented when Mortal Kombat came out. It turned the entire world, even those who never even heard of the term "video game", into foaming savages. :pac:

Logical Fallacy

RockinRolla wrote: »

I agree. Now we are fed artists who just have been invested by a multi-billion dollar record label instead.

You are not fed a thing you don't choose to eat in fairness. It's a big world out there, lots of blogs, lots of different types of music.

I listen to music which i enjoy every day, which i feel has a unique quality and an honest sense of artistic exploration.

The internet makes mainstream ****e avoidance very easy.

Da Shins Kelly

All this harking back to the old days is tiresome. Yes, Hendrix and Dylan and all them were great musicians, but there is still some good music around now. It's not all bad. If you focus entirely on stuff of the past, you're just going to lose sight of what's on offer to us now. Lady Gaga is not a bad musician, she's actually got a lot of talent. She sings and plays live and writes all her own material. Just because she's a popstar and mainstream, doesn't mean she's bad. The Beatles were the biggest popstars to ever walk the earth, for God's sake, and no one complains about them. We also have people like Radiohead, The Strokes, Bjork, Kings of Leon, Beck, Arcade Fire, etc., who are all pretty amazing musicians who are going to stand in the future.

Also, I wouldn't say that "gangsta rap" preaches hate. If you listened at all to old school rap (which I'm sure you don't), you'd realise that a lot of it is just speaking about what was the reality for people living in a certain part of America at a certain time. If there is any hate in that music, it's the hate that was perpetrated against black people. That's what groups like NWA and Public Enemy were about, that's what Nas is about, and Lauryn Hill. It's hardly hateful, it's just the truth. People like 50 Cent, on the otherhand, have just twisted rap music for their own ends. If you listen to real rap, you'd know the difference between a great rapper like Nas and a hack like 50 Cent.

Also, like the first person said, Lennon and Clapton (I don't know much about Hendrix) are hardly anything to write home about. Talented, yes. Nice people, no. Clapton's a raging f*cking racist. Look up some of the sh*t he has spouted in the past about immigrants.
Bad examples.

RockinRolla

Duggy747 wrote: »

Eurgh, Woodstock 69 would have been a bit of craìc to go to

Woodstock would have been awesome! When we invent a time-machine, I'm going back! :pac:

af_thefragile

thebigbiffo wrote: »

nothing is more cringeworthy than someone who thinks they've got superior musical tastes ranting about it on the internet.

btw: if it's so easy to make this music go make a few mill on it - hit me up with just 100 grand and i'll be happy!

Making music is easy.
Making money of it is impossible if you don't have a big label backing you. All the money is made nowdays through marketing. Gone are the days when bands/musicians used to become famous by playing at venues and gaining popularity.

Now music is a business. Artists are created according to social trends and they're manufactured as a product each aimed at a certain target Market. Rihanna and lady ga ga for the grown up party goers. Miley Cyrus and kesha for the younger population. Then green day for the alternative kids. 50cent for the guys who think there're gangsta' and such...

It's hard to find any meaning in music anymore. Whatever happened to music as a form of expression. Compare artists such as bob Dylan, Paul Simon, pink floyd etc with lady gaga, Jay z and kesha.
And you wonder whatever happened to music. Now everything is just an opiate. Something to let out your inner inhibitions. A mindless expression of desires.

Maybe this is what society is heading towards. The huxlean utopia where everyones happy in their retreat and meanings and expressions have been filtered down to the most basic form of human needs and desires.

Biggins

RockinRolla wrote: »

What Has Happened To Society?

Really dunno. Wasn't there that day.
Wasn't me - I have an alibi, didn't do it I swear!

Carl Sagan

So the world has gotten worse because music has changed?

Anyway, murder ain't too shocking these days, so mass murder and torture is the way to go when you want to be infamous. So violent people have just become more violent.

HavingCrack

af_thefragile wrote: »

Making music is easy.
Making money of it is impossible if you don't have a big label backing you. All the money is made nowdays through marketing. Gone are the days when bands/musicians used to become famous by playing at venues and gaining popularity.

Now music is a business. Artists are created according to social trends and they're manufactured as a product each aimed at a certain target Market. Rihanna and lady ga ga for the grown up party goers. Miley Cyrus and kesha for the younger population. Then green day for the alternative kids. 50cent for the guys who think there're gangsta' and such...

It's hard to find any meaning in music anymore. Whatever happened to music as a form of expression. Compare artists such as bob Dylan, Paul Simon, pink floyd etc with lady gaga, Jay z and kesha.
And you wonder whatever happened to music. Now everything is just an opiate. Something to let out your inner inhibitions. A mindless expression of desires.

.

Eh Arctic Monkeys, Fight Like Apes, Bloc Party, The Cool Kids, Eminem etc would all contradict you there.....

The days of the big label are long gone by the way, album sales have plummeted over the last decade. Sure U2 make 85% of their income from live preformances. If anything I would have said music has swung back towards live preformances away from the big labels..

By the way it is fair to compare Pink Floyd, Paul Simon and Bob Dylan to the likes of Jay-Z or Lady Gaga. Bob Dylan and Pink Floyd came out with as much crap as any artist has these days...