The Highwayman wrote: » Who knows maybe after 5 years and 30 million lives he didnt have the stomach for it With allied appeasement and the total control of eastern europe behind the 'Iron curtain' forming a buffer zone he didnt feel the need for it. Being slightly behind in the nuclear race and knowing that war would be fought on american soil not european. Or maybe Stalin sense of honor(yeah your right not likely) he didnt want to attack his allies. Stalin had the brutal battle hardened power of 20 armies(aprox 2.6 million men), 6,300 tanks and 8,500 aircraft in the field at the end of the war. They had began to wind down war production months before. Even if the allies could match the Russians with producing equipment they could not keep up with man power. My reason to bring up this point was because an american said if it were not for them then we would all be speaking german, my point is we were closer to speaking russian than german. We could hypothesis for ever as to weather the red army would have beaten or lost to the allies if people like Patton had had his way and fought on. My point was about america not being the force that defeated the Wehrmacht.
Jakkass wrote: » There are a lot of people living in the US that are also very intelligent.
Jakkass wrote: » How is the USA fascist? Religiously extreme - I guess by Irish standards, but you should really take a look at Saudi Arabia or Iran and compare with the USA. I think you'll find the US fades in comparison. Ignorant - I'd say it's a mixed bag. There are a lot of people living in the US that are also very intelligent.
Fascism is a political ideology whose mythic core in its various permutations is a palingenetic form of populist ultra-nationalism. [...] fascism is best approached as a genuinely revolutionary, trans-class form of anti-liberal, and in the last analysis, anti-conservative nationalism. As such it is an ideology deeply bound up with modernization and modernity, one which has assumed a considerable variety of external forms to adapt itself to the particular historical and national context in which it appears, and has drawn a wide range of cultural and intellectual currents, both left and right, anti-modern and pro-modern, to articulate itself as a body of ideas, slogans, and doctrine. In the inter-war period it manifested itself primarily in the form of an elite-led "armed party" which attempted, mostly unsuccessfully, to generate a populist mass movement through a liturgical style of politics and a programme of radical policies which promised to overcome a threat posed by international socialism, to end the degeneration affecting the nation under liberalism, and to bring about a radical renewal of its social, political and cultural life as part of what was widely imagined to be the new era being inaugurated in Western civilization. The core mobilizing myth of fascism which conditions its ideology, propaganda, style of politics and actions is the vision of the nation's imminent rebirth from decadence.
OisinT wrote: » Without a doubt, the US is the most religiously extreme, fascist and ignorant state on the planet, but I wouldn't say they are terrorists.
OisinT wrote: » As Roger Griffin put it in his paper (http://ah.brookes.ac.uk/resources/griffin/coreoffascism.pdf)
OisinT wrote: » As far as religious extremism, I suppose SA and Iran are more "extreme" because they do not follow your prescribed religious views. But that is your view on what is and ought to be considered "extreme".
OisinT wrote: » The US bandies about Christianity like it's going out of style (which it is and should be - bar in the US).
This masks a major shift in the demographics of Christianity; large increases in the developing world (around 23,000 per day) have been accompanied by substantial declines in the developed world, mainly in Europe and North America (around 7,600 per day)
OisinT wrote: » As for ignorant, a high number of academics in the US are foreign or at the very least foreign educated. It is a sad sad day when creationism is being taught along-side evolution in schools in the US and a majority in many states believe that this is the way it ought to be. To allow people to believe the Earth is 5,000 years old and to reject that we orbit the Sun is insanity and ignorant in itself.
bleg wrote: » I'm happy we're on their side. Go USA!!
poppyvalley wrote: » I totally agree with you Bleg They are the only protection we have against those middle east terrorists( now there's a true definition of terrorism)
Norwayviking wrote: » Its called tactics in military terms
The Highwayman wrote: » Yeah they did but aircraft and crew hardly compare to the numbers and hardwear that were in the field on the eastern front.
Aften Stalin moved Russian industery east of the Ural's the war effort built unhindered, Allied equipment was landed in places like Archangel and did help the war effort. Russian built T34 and KV2 were all home made as was the Katyusha rocket launcher system which were instrumental in victory.
yank_in_eire wrote: » HA! What a bunch of pussies. You're all speaking English instead of German or Japanese because the US manned up and "got 'er done". Go USA!
kuntboy wrote: » All you America bashers would do well to remember that without them, the armies of one of the worst regimes in history, the USSR, would have marched across Europe imposing their version of "freedom". They and other brutal dictatorships such as China would have military bases and military and economic hegemony over the whole world. Perhaps you would like these dictatorships to have control of the worlds resources? And FYI only 60% of oil is used as fuel. 40% is used to make plastics and various other things and crucially, fertilizers and medicines.
johnmcdnl wrote: America is the biggest rogue state in the world trying to force their values on every country that tries to stand up to oppose them in anyways...
The Highwayman wrote: » If Stalin had decided to keep going in 1945 then he would have wiped the floor with the american and british troops on mainland europe.
Norwayviking wrote: » The Russians got their arses kicked by the Finns back in 1939,and you are saying they would have wiped the floor with the American and British troops.Dont think so
sxt wrote: » battle hardened and high on morale.
thebigbiffo wrote: » raping almost every woman in berlin will do this to ya
sxt wrote: » no,after Russia suffered devasting casualties, I think around 30 million during the whole war campaign ?, they managed to overcome the most modern,well drilled, and feared army of the time.
Sykk wrote: » Oh dear.. You really haven't a clue.
Sykk wrote: » So many sheep in this thread it's hilarious. Thought I'd make this short post before I continue on reading the list of debating!
