Carlos_Ray wrote: » Eh... become a name driver.... you're not going to be driving cross country when you're learning are you? A few lessons trips around town. Then when you get your full license your employment prospects increase, you get a job and you can afford to run your own car.... Not rocket science. Besides the price of the number of lessons now required... vastly exceeds the price of a start up car.
Carlos_Ray wrote: » I believe that people should be required to sit a test every 10 years... Im sure everybody who is really concerned with safe roads would have no objection to this. That would really seperate the wheat from the chaff in terms of real drivers. In the meantime, I think driving/motoring should be a school subject taught once a week/fortnight from first year (theory) with option of practical lessons (subsidised) from 5 th year. That would significantly improve driving in this country while at the same time reducing the cost of those learning and enabling them to obey law.
loobylou wrote: » The problem with the present system is the students cannot get their LP until they are at least 17. By then transition year is usually over and there would not be time to fit the above into a Leaving Certificate syllabus.
Stekelly wrote: » Teaching driving in schools would be nice and all but there are many downsides. Unless the school day is lengthened (at a cost obviously) , then other subjects will have to suffer to fit it in. It's an expense that's not needed in an already stretched education system. Carlos-rey has conveniently skipped over the part about other countries that people Here seem to aspire us to emulate not having driving thought in schools. It's not high enough a priority to divert m eh from other uses. The fact is the systems in plenty of countries work without doing it through schools. It's peoples attitudes of entitlements towards driving that needs to be addressed .
tobsey wrote: » laser2121 wrote: » This statement proves that you should not be driving on your own. Your car should not be freewheeling, except for the second it takes to change gear, or for the very last moments when you are coming to a stop. If you have spent 700 euro on lessons and your instructor didn't explain that to you then you really need to find a new driving school. well yes he did tell me that but whhe ur passin a junction or a similar situation you should be prepared to stop so therfore i coast when im passng a junction or duing a roundabout so im ready to stop in case some person decides to cut infront of me or not to give right of way
laser2121 wrote: » This statement proves that you should not be driving on your own. Your car should not be freewheeling, except for the second it takes to change gear, or for the very last moments when you are coming to a stop. If you have spent 700 euro on lessons and your instructor didn't explain that to you then you really need to find a new driving school.
laser2121 wrote: » well yes he did tell me that but whhe ur passin a junction or a similar situation you should be prepared to stop so therfore i coast when im passng a junction or duing a roundabout so im ready to stop in case some person decides to cut infront of me or not to give right of way
Anan1 wrote: » Right, that settles it - you're not ready to be driving unaccompanied.
laser2121 wrote: » and may i ask why ???
Anan1 wrote: » Because you coast past junctions and through roundabouts. If you can't be prepared to stop without coasting then you have yet to master even the most basic skills of controlling a car.
laser2121 wrote: » no im just taking my fathers advice
Cookie_Monster wrote: » well don't because he has no idea what he is talking about.
Jenna69 wrote: » I never claimed to be a great driver, i said i was probably more careful than the next person but how am i meant to get that experience and skill if i dont drive. I need to practice and practice if i'm to pass my test. Like i said just give us a chance. Also if LP drivers are not bothered about driving alone why should you be bothered.
laser2121 wrote: » the man has his licence from 1986 ud think he dos especialy when he has the whole shabang of categories
Anan1 wrote: » Did he tell you to be prepared to stop or did he tell you to coast?
laser2121 wrote: » he taught me to drive after the lessons with the instructor nd he told me to coast to be prepared to stop so the engine dostn stall when you stop
loobylou wrote: » I don't agree with you but I was not even suggesting that the state should pay for it. Transition year students do a lot of extra curricular activities for which they pay extra. It should not be difficult to get an instructor to visit a school for a daily rate, divided up by the number of students.There would be substantial economies of scale for the instructor making it viable. Study for the theory test could be incorporated into CSPE for the Junior Cert. Practical driving lessons could be given if needed with 2-3 students in the car at a time, swapping driving time of course. The problem with the present system is the students cannot get their LP until they are at least 17. By then transition year is usually over and there would not be time to fit the above into a Leaving Certificate syllabus.
Stark wrote: » Is there some reason why someone can't take lessons from an instructor on their own time when they want to learn to drive? It's the Irish entitlement mentality of wanting the State to do everything for them, I'm surprised we don't have them bringing in people to teach people how to wipe their own arses.
Anan1 wrote: » You're not yet ready to drive unaccompanied.
laser2121 wrote: » yes i failed the test once on observation grounds last yr spent 700 euro on lessons before that i got the car as a present so i have some experience but i only got my own car last week
Mak_United wrote: » You practice with a fully licensed driver who has held there licence for over 2 years or with a qualified instructor. Your posts are disgraceful. Your basically saying LEARNER drivers should be aloud drive on there own. Your lucky you live in Ireland because you wouldn't last very long in another country. The Garda are terrible at reinforcing the law of Learner drivers driving on there own and without L plates. Also at your comment on sitting the test when your "good and ready" is a disgrace, too many drivers have the same problem in there heads. Passing your test is a way of letting the Garda etc know that your are competent to drive on our national roads. Also i do hope you know, that if you are in an accident that is your fault and your on a LP without a fully licensed driver and L plates your insurance can refuse to cover any fee's because you are driving illegally. Also you have 6 months before you can sit your test. Get a few lessons and do it. No excuses.
Jenna69 wrote: » And just because some people are afraid to drive unaccompanied don't look down your noses at those of us who do, if the guards started enforcing the law tomorrow i'm sure none of us would be doing it so if you want to start somewhere start with that. I drove the whole way down the ballymun road yesterday with a garda van behind me and they never even looked my way.
furtzy wrote: » Once again your attitude is terrible. So its o.k as long as you get away with it. Any other rules of the road or laws that don't suit you?
Jenna69 wrote: » I've had lessons, what i need now is practice, practice and more practice.
Jenna69 wrote: » What i said in my post if you read it correctly (not my problem if you can't read properly) that i won't be able to do my test until at least October when the 6 months will be up, then if i feel ready i'll book my test, if i don't feel ready i won't do it but will do as many pretests as i can to get prepared for it and hopefully i will be. Also thanks for your concern but i checked with my insurance company and i'm covered whether i drive unaccompanied or not. I've had lessons, what i need now is practice, practice and more practice. And just because some people are afraid to drive unaccompanied don't look down your noses at those of us who do, if the guards started enforcing the law tomorrow i'm sure none of us would be doing it so if you want to start somewhere start with that. I drove the whole way down the ballymun road yesterday with a garda van behind me and they never even looked my way.
Jenna69 wrote: » No just that one.:D
djimi wrote: » This is exactly why the guards need to get up off their ass and do something about learners. Until they do, and until learners know there will be severe penalties for driving unaccompanied, most of them, like our friend here, are going to continue to go about on their merry way. If the guards are not going to enforce the law then why bother with a driving test at all? Right now apparently the only thing it serves to do is change the color of your license... Jenna, people are going to look down their noses at you because what you are doing is irresponsible and dangerous. 120 odd posts into this thread and you still dont seem to have fully grasped why learners drivers should not be on the road without supervision. Even if you went back and read some of your own posts about your motoring experiences it might click with you why you shouldnt be out on your own in a car. We cant stop you from driving on your own, all we can do is hope that if you do get into a pickle that you dont end up hurting someone, but please stop making excuses and trying to justify it; what you doing is dangerous, its wrong and its illegal.
Cookie_Monster wrote: » do you even have l plates up?
Jenna69 wrote: » I don't make any excuses for what i'm doing and i know for sure i'm not the only one that drives unaccompanied, but i don't blame anyone else not posting that here the way everyone jumped down my neck for admitting it. I need the car to get to work and as i said until the guards start doing their job or until i get my full licence i'll keep doing it.
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