Reganio 2 wrote: » How many of these die hard LOI supporters will also say they support Celtic as well. I would say a lot of them. But hypocritical as well don't you think.
major bill wrote: » in the 50's and 60's there was big LOI support aswell wasnt till the 70's when the English clubs got alot more attention. could be also to do with emigration to england by a lot of irish in that era but i still dont agree with the irish link. i support liverpool but i cant relate to a scouser born and bread in that city and i end up just feeling like a whopper at the games in anfield.
major bill wrote: » how is that hypocritical?? my point is and il give an example i was in old trafford when england won the rugby world cup and the crowd were asked to give a standing ovation and you got the odd irish spectator saying fcuk that, its daft
murpho999 wrote: » Proves my point that supporting an English club does not make you an England supporter. Always want Gerrard to do well for Liverpool but would never want to see England win a World Cup.
OPENROAD wrote: » Agree but I still don't view that as a link as such, Arsenal are still an English club.
murpho999 wrote: » Arsenal would have gained a lot of Irish supporters in the 70's when Jennings, O'Leary, Brady and Stapleton were there.
apoch632 wrote: » From what I remember reading of who stole our game (It was a while ago so forgive me if this is wrong) the drop on attendance had already started at that stage. Maybe not as drastic as it is now but certainly on its way there.
murpho999 wrote: » So what if they are......what is the issue with that? Fact is that thanks to always having English TV & Media here that English football gets a lot of coverage, has a higher profile and is of a higher standard than Irish club football.
murpho999 wrote: » Fact is that thanks to always having English TV & Media here that English football gets a lot of coverage, has a higher profile and is of a higher standard than Irish club football.
Reganio 2 wrote: » Its like the United fans protesting at Glazer's sitting in their United jerseys in their 60 quid seat and a 5 quid green and gold scarf.. Yeah that's gonna hurt them.
Reganio 2 wrote: » Personnally I would stand up and applaud them (Not that I would ever be in OT but you get my point) that's a great achievement. But the point is the LOI fans about English football team supporters tar with the same brush and so do the English supporting fans with LOI. But not all are like that. I don't support the Irish National Team, I am not patriotic I guess but I don't support them cause the FAI are muppets and are hated up and down the country but people still pay extortinate fee's that go straight into their hands. Its like the United fans protesting at Glazer's sitting in their United jerseys in their 60 quid seat and a 5 quid green and gold scarf.. Yeah that's gonna hurt them. Sorry went off on a tangent. But my point is, the team closest to me would be Sporting Fingal. I know their youth goalkeeper but that's it, I don't know the team, I know nothing about them I have no interest in how they do, but I should go see them cause its the right thing to do?I go watch my local team every week (By local I mean the team across the road) playing the parks around the place, why don't you do that? They should have more affiliation to you, you don't have to pay either and you get a good friendship with the lads, go for pints with the pints with the lads. Am I a better supporter than LOI lads now?
OPENROAD wrote: Have to agree with you zero link imo.
Reganio 2 wrote: » Personnally I would stand up and applaud them (Not that I would ever be in OT but you get my point) that's a great achievement. But the point is the LOI fans about English football team supporters tar with the same brush and so do the English supporting fans with LOI. But not all are like that. I don't support the Irish National Team, I am not patriotic I guess but I don't support them cause the FAI are muppets and are hated up and down the country but people still pay extortinate fee's that go straight into their hands. Its like the United fans protesting at Glazer's sitting in their United jerseys in their 60 quid seat and a 5 quid green and gold scarf.. Yeah that's gonna hurt them. Sorry went off on a tangent. But my point is, the team closest to me would be Sporting Fingal. I know their youth goalkeeper but that's it, I don't know the team, I know nothing about them I have no interest in how they do, but I should go see them cause its the right thing to do? I go watch my local team every week (By local I mean the team across the road) playing the parks around the place, why don't you do that? They should have more affiliation to you, you don't have to pay either and you get a good friendship with the lads, go for pints with the pints with the lads. Am I a better supporter than LOI lads now?
murpho999 wrote: » I myself am a Liverpool supporter, have never bothered with League of Ireland and I never will. Poor players, poor grounds, and also they never get anywhere in Europe. Success is what makes clubs more attractive to supporters too. Supporting a team that can only dream of beating Bohemians in a league or FAI cup final when you can have clubs that compete againts Europe's top clubs and players in Champion's League. I can never see this changing.
Mr.Nice Guy wrote: » Of course there is an Irish link. If a star comes along then people are going to want to see them. You can guarantee many Welsh United fans would cite the impact of Giggs in the nineties as a reason for supporting them. Likewise many United fans would cite Keane and Irwin being stars at United as a reason for following them, or Villa fans who would say McGrath. It goes back to the argument about the MLS and how they really need some home-grown stars to help promote the game there. Really, why would Irish fans want to watch average at best talents when the best young Irish guys are plying their trade in England? It's not rocket science. The 'true' Irish chaps on here might not like it but most people watch sport to be entertained and find looking out for the top Irish talents abroad, and on the national team, sufficient rather than watching LOI standard football. You want more gates? Get more stars. Find a way to stop the exodus of top talent overseas. The best Irish players are in England, and the ones that aren't picked remain here, and LOI fans wonder why there is little interest. Frankly this whole 'I'm better and more Irish than you' bollocks is about as productive or useful as some Irish language enthusiast in Gweedore telling me they're more Irish than me because they can speak Gaelic. If you want to promote Irish sport, Irish language etc. then look at the root cause of the problem and stop the pitiful slagging. Both issues incidentally are caused by external influences across the Irish sea. You can look to try and come up with solutions and promote either/both or hit out at the ordinary folks who just want to enjoy their free time. It seems like the current attitude of most LOI fans is the latter. Of course I'm wasting my time pointing this out as many don't want to know so I'll await the predictable, negative one-line retort like the chap earlier gave me.
herbieflowers wrote: » Not having a go at you specifically but the oneupmanship that these threads usually deteriorate into is petty and childish. The simple fact is that football can be enjoyed a lot of different ways. Whether it's supporting a successful English club, going along to your local side, whatever. So enjoy it, and leave the bitterness and snide comments, from both sides, alone!
Xavi6 wrote: » So if Liverpool, hypothetically, got relegated to say League One you'd become a United/Chelsea/insertsuccessfulclubhere fan?
major bill wrote: » i think this thread has sent out a lot of mixed signals to people, i hate the LOI ''we are better than you cos we support our local team'' brigade just as much as the ''LOI is ****e i seen one game on the telly'' brigade, nobody should be forced to go watch their local team or support irish football loads of people in this country come from an area unrepersented in the LOI.sporting fingal are only a new team so i shouldnt think u would have any connection with them whatsoever. its quite fustrating knowing the league has a lot of potential as football is a very popular sport in ireland but year after year we lose good young players to english clubs for pittance as the clubs are in so much dire conditions finacially due to low crowds and ridiculous wages that they have to accept these offers.its a vicious cycle and its not fair to blame people for not going but its a good night out especially when your in a group of 20 30 lads this is what makes me go not the football to an extent.
major bill wrote: » second bold post, the gas thing is these same people will be the first ones delighted to see england getting knocked out of the world cup/european championships its very hypocritical.
CorkMan wrote: » Look at Brazil, they're league is a good bit better than ours. The likes of Corinthians with Roberto Carlos at the back, Ronaldo up front and I say no bad players elsewhere. They would win the league here almost every season, if not every IMO. Yet Brazil loses it's talent to the "big 3", EPL, La Liga and Serie A. I don't know how ye think Ireland can hold onto the Duff's, Robbie Keane's, Shay Givens, etc when Brazil/Argentina/Portugal/Czech Republic, etc can't keep their home grown talent. It is not possible for Ireland to keep its stars in todays game, and I don't blame them either. Even in League 1 or the Championship they'd make a lot more money than here, never mind if they are good enough to make the EPL. Plus LoI isn't very bad IMO. We are just below UEFA Cup standard. Below obviously the big 3, and the Czech Republics, Ukraine, leagues of that standard though I say the best Irish sides would survive the vast majority of leagues in all of Europe. Russia, Holland, Czech Republic, Sweden etc.
Mitch Connor wrote: » So true. You'd.never see American, asain or African fans cheering an epl side against a local one. Never. So Irish.
roryc wrote: » This is wrong... I've seen United play in Asia and 90% of the fans were local (or at least from the country), and yet there were a huge amount of United jerseys around. Obv they could have come from different parts of the country to watch United play against a team that was not exactly their local team, but the point still stands
5ForKeeps wrote: » I think last night showed in esssence whats wrong with the modern day football supporter. Utd fans wearin their jester hats in tow with their new kit and green and gold scarf. Talk about being hypocritical, were there supporters protesting against theirselves? While also not supporting their own country men....
Mitch Connor wrote: » Green and Gold is a protest against the owners of the club, not a protest against the club, not a protest against sponsors of the club.
5ForKeeps wrote: » I am fully aware it is a protest against the owners what are they protesting against if they putting money into the glazers pockets by buying the new kits. In my opinion that is hypocritical, the green and gold campaign was great in the beginning but it has become a fashion statement as was in evidence last night "to fit in"
daveyboy_1ie wrote: » Was anyone else impressed with Smalling's performance? Before anyone goes on about the standard of opposition I am talking about his calmness and general play. He looks to have HUGE potential and the reported £8M fee looks good business.
