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Civil Partnership bill, can you explain something to me?

sasser

It's being debated at the moment, I keep hearing that it will undermine /threaten marriage. Can someone explain how, really, I just don't undertstand this argument?

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kylith wrote: »

Agreed. The only people who are argueing that it will 'undermine' marriage are bigots who feel that homosexuals are not normal, and don't like the idea of them being able to form a legally binding partnership for some reason, the bigots.

As a Catholic, I have no problem with two men (or multiple men, or man and his camel for that matter) entering into a legally binding agreement. But be careful who you jump into bed with: homosexuals are a promiscuos bunch. When they hit 40, youth is long gone and they're staring old age in the face, they think that going off with a 21 year-old lad will satisfy their sexual lust.

Caoimhín

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Oh people will be marrying horses next I suppose.
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Dont knock it.

At least they wouldnt nag you to put the bins out :pac:

Caoimhín wrote: »

Dont knock it.

At least they wouldnt nag you to put the bins out :pac:

The Dutch legalised sex with horses at one stage. They had to back-track on that logical extension of liberalism when they sat down and thought out the consequences...

Caoimhín

v2 wrote: »

The Dutch legalised sex with horses at one stage. They had to back-track on that logical extension of liberalism when they sat down and thought out the consequences...

Half man half horse babies?

Agent J

v2 wrote: »

As a Catholic, I have no problem with two men (or multiple men, or man and his camel for that matter) entering into a legally binding agreement. But be careful who you jump into bed with: homosexuals are a promiscuos bunch. When they hit 40, youth is long gone and they're staring old age in the face, they think that going off with a 21 year-old lad will satisfy their sexual lust.

That sounds like a common Hetrosexual problem as well.....

Agent J wrote: »

That sounds like a common Hetrosexual problem as well.....

There's only three dots in an ellipsis...

Pyr0

There's people in the world who realise that regardless to their personal opinion on someone's sexuality there is still a need to practise that sexuality freely. Sadly, these people are not very common as one would like. Instead we're stuck with people who refuse to accept anything other than the "normal" that has been shoved down their throat by the Catholic Church or *insert influence here*, it's a backwards and un-progressive way of thinking that gets us nowhere as a society.

Pyr0 wrote: »

There's people in the world who realise that regardless to their personal opinion on someone's sexuality there is still a need to practise that sexuality freely. Sadly, these people are not very common as one would like. Instead we're stuck with people who refuse to accept anything other than the "normal" that has been shoved down their throat by the Catholic Church or *insert influence here*, it's a backwards and un-progressive way of thinking that gets us nowhere as a society.

The Catholic Church are not the only organisation in the world who teach the immorality of non-monogamous relations between humans. Even the Dalai Lama has something to say on the use of sexual organs contrary to their purpose (albeit from a totally different philosophical standpoint from the Catholic Church).

Homosexuals aren't singled out: sexual immorality can be engaged in by single and married persons too. Even ordained priests have done terrible things: they'll face a much worse penalty when facing ultimate justice.

Karl Hungus

Caoimhín wrote: »

Half man half horse babies?

That explains Sarah Jessica Parker so.

kylith

v2 wrote: »

As a Catholic, I have no problem with two men (or multiple men, or man and his camel for that matter) entering into a legally binding agreement. But be careful who you jump into bed with: homosexuals are a promiscuos bunch. When they hit 40, youth is long gone and they're staring old age in the face, they think that going off with a 21 year-old lad will satisfy their sexual lust.

For every promiscuous homosexual man who'd run off with a younger partner there are an equal number of promiscuous hetrosexuals of both sexes who would do the same. Why should they not be given the opportunity to get enter a civil partnership because they 'might' split up later? Should we ban hetrosexual marriage because 50% or so end in divorce*?

*probably stats for the US.

kylith wrote: »

For every promiscuous homosexual man who'd run off with a younger partner there are an equal number of promiscuous hetrosexuals of both sexes who would do the same. Why should they not be given the opportunity to get enter a civil partnership because they 'might' split up later? Should we ban hetrosexual marriage because 50% or so end in divorce*?

*probably stats for the US.

Compelling...

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Karl Hungus wrote: »

That explains Sarah Jessica Parker so.

No it wouldnt. She is a full on horse, a pure breed if you will.

Deleted User wrote: »

No it wouldnt. She is a full on horse, a pure breed if you will.

That's some mare! ROFLCOPTER!

twinQuins

v2 wrote: »

The Dutch legalised sex with horses at one stage. They had to back-track on that logical extension of liberalism

Here we fuckin' go...

Caoimhín

So we are all agreed then, having ghey sex with a horse will lead to Sarah Jessiac Parker lookalike horsebabies that will go to hell?

Karl Hungus

Deleted User wrote: »

No it wouldnt. She is a full on horse, a pure breed if you will.

That's an insult to a beautiful horse.

CrazySnakeLady

enniscorthy wrote: »

if gays dont like the law of the land nobodys forcing them to stay

us irish on the other hand are a charitable and understanding race

how many gays are in the country surely we can clear off some rocky island somewhere out west and put them all on that and they can have their own little country

do what they like then

They already did that with one county...I believe it was called Wexford hense the "Pet shop boys" song, everyone thinks they were singing "Go West" but in actual fact they were singing "Go Wex" and they all went and did "what they like" but shagging each other became boring so they started breeding with vegetables instead and you are a product of it.

kylith

v2 wrote: »

Compelling...

Well, it's not been legal for long. According to Wiki it's 40% as of 2008 in the US and 33% in Australia. Statistics for Europe show a 20% rise. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce#Statistics

ETA: Here we go: http://www.balbriggansolicitor.ie/divorcestatistics.html In ireland 1 in 6 marriages ends in divorce

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Karl Hungus wrote: »

That's an insult to a beautiful horse.

It is rather good looking isnt it

Karl Hungus

Deleted User wrote: »

It is rather good looking isnt it

Indeed, far more attractive than Sarah Jessica Parker.

CrazySnakeLady

Caoimhín wrote: »

So we are all agreed then, having ghey sex with a horse will lead to Sarah Jessiac Parker lookalike horsebabies that will go to hell?

How can having "ghey" sex lead to a birth? if the horse is male and the person having sex with it is male then how can a male horse all of a sudden become pregnant? which also begs the question if it was a female horse and a male human would that be "ghey" sex or are they only picking female horses because they don't want to be accused of being some type of a queer? Straight males who **** animals aren't gay, they just have issues as do guys who spend so much time thinking about horse sex that they believe the product of that union would be Sarah Jessica Parker

rainbow kirby

Surely the legal recognition of stable partnership/family units, and any children within them, strengthens the institution of civil marriage

kylith wrote: »

Well, it's not been legal for long. According to Wiki it's 40% as of 2008 in the US and 33% in Australia. Statistics for Europe show a 20% rise. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce#Statistics

ETA: Here we go: http://www.balbriggansolicitor.ie/divorcestatistics.html In ireland 1 in 6 marriages ends in divorce

Any stats for real marriages (i.e. Catholic marriages) up your sleeve? Rate of divorce is only part of the reasoning against homosexual unions being recognised in civil law.

Pyr0

v2 wrote: »

The Catholic Church are not the only organisation in the world who teach the immorality of non-monogamous relations between humans. Even the Dalai Lama has something to say on the use of sexual organs contrary to their purpose (albeit from a totally different philosophical standpoint from the Catholic Church)..

That's why I decided to add *insert influence here*

No one should have views of sexuality or morality pushed on them by an outside influence, especially any influence with dogmatic ties.

antidark777

So its giving the same rights to people who have made no long-term committment to each other - like married people do?

Sounds like an undermining the institution of marraige to me.

CrazySnakeLady

antidark777 wrote: »

So its giving the same rights to people who have made no long-term committment to each other - like married people do?

Sounds like an undermining the institution of marraige to me.

Well if they called it marriage (wether gay or straight) in the first place would that not be that "Long-term" commitment that they are agreeing to?

Bob Z

So if a gay man wants to marry a lesbian what happens then?

kylith

v2 wrote: »

Any stats for real marriages (i.e. Catholic marriages) up your sleeve? Rate of divorce is only part of the reasoning against homosexual unions being recognised in civil law.

So only marriage that take place in a church should be recognised? Stop acting like a twit.

You said that homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to get married because you reckon they're likely to split up because one of them decides to get a younger partner. Should heterosexuals not be allowed to get married either since there's a 1 in 6 chance of them splitting up?

Pyr0 wrote: »

That's why I decided to add *insert influence here*

No one should have views of sexuality or morality pushed on them by an outside influence, especially any influence with dogmatic ties.

In fairness, the gay lobby is probably stronger than the church lobby. I have no problem with private organisations lobbying their political and moral views. It's good that they air such opinions - that way they can be publicly scrutinised. The Church have more important matters to look after: such as saving souls and cleaning up the mess left behind by a bunch of sick perverts. If the only function of the church was to promote their sexual morality, I'm sure they'd beat the pro-gay organisations hands down. For one, they've a lot more money.

sock puppet

v2 wrote: »

Any stats for real marriages (i.e. Catholic marriages) up your sleeve? Rate of divorce is only part of the reasoning against homosexual unions being recognised in civil law.

Oh look another religious troll.