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Isreal and American forces ready to attack Iran within days

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Israeli government desperately needs the distraction from the flotilla massacre, and the US government desperately needs the distraction from the unfolding catastrophe playing out in the Gulf of Mexico and beyond.

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pablo_escobar

Mathatma Coat wrote:

Anyway back OT,what did the Iranians do to deserve 'freedom'

America is the greatest country in the world, without it there would be complete anarchy.

The might of the US army ensures people continue to be free.
for sure, you will say Iraq is a disaster but a failed state is better than a dictatorship with chemical / nuclear weapons, ready to use against its neighbors.

iran has nuclear weapons and could use against israel, iran must be stopped at all costs.

Mahatma coat

pablo_escobar wrote: »

America is the greatest country in the world, without it there would be complete anarchy.

The might of the US army ensures people continue to be free.
for sure, you will say Iraq is a disaster but a failed state is better than a dictatorship with chemical / nuclear weapons, ready to use against its neighbors.

iran has nuclear weapons and could use against israel, iran must be stopped at all costs.

Just to clarify here, You are rippin the Piss, Right????

WakeUp

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

Can't speak for Israel, but America will not "attack Iran within days," certainly not with conventional military forces. Not "within days" or months or before the 2012 presidential elections. So after all the entertaining CT speculation, this thread will die like many others in the past on this forum. :pac:

Lets us all hope your right but personally I feel that you and many other people like yourself, through no fault of your own am not having a dig, don't appear to grasp the potential seriousness of the situation that is beginning to unfold.

Should Israel attack Iran on its own the US may well have no choice and become involved anyway as a result of Iranian retaliation against the Saudis in particular. At the end of the day for all Americas talk of backing Israel and being a friend and all that, Saudi Arabia is more important to US foreign policy. Its Saudi oil that run American factories and industry. The US, Europe and many Arab nations would like nothing more than for Israel to level Iran to rubble and then some. They would condemn the attack in public whilst congratulating Israel behind closed doors.

Israel views Iran as a threat to its very survival and is convinced that Iran is trying to aqquire nuclear weapons be that truth or fiction. Iran as consistently refused to stop its nuclear program and the recent unilateral sanctions passed by the US would appear to have had the opposite affect. Iran is digging its heels in further.

Something has to give. The question is what.

It becomes really serious when you look at what an Israeli attack might entail and there a few reasons for the methods they might use or be forced to use.

Israel really doesn't have the conventional military capability to launch a sustained and successful attack on its own. Many of the potential targets are deep underground. Many of the potential targets are in built up areas populated with civilians. If Israel launched a conventional strike against Iran it may set the nuclear program back a couple of years at best. The resulting collateral damage and geo-political consequences of an attack that will only set the Iranians back a couple of years would have to be deemed by Israeli commanders as not worth it. So if Israel is to attack, unilaterally, they will go for bust. This may even mean tactical nuclear weapons as horrible a thought as that is. It may be the only method by which Israel could be sure that the Iranian nuclear program is destroyed once and for all.

The US and Europe would appear to be not prepared to take the lead in any attack, which might back Israel into a corner and they may feel ultimately that they have no choice but to act alone. In their minds they believe they are in the right. In Iranian minds they believe they are in the right.

All that said I hope its you thats right and that this all blows over or is sorted out in a rational human way. They all sit down around a table and come to sort of conclusion that suits all parties and everyones a winner. Then you can laugh at me or whatever and say I told you so I'd like nothing more than for that to happen I would actually go nice one. I just hope rational minds prevail in the end.

TalkieWalkie

pablo_escobar wrote: »

America is the greatest country in the world, without it there would be complete anarchy.

The might of the US army ensures people continue to be free.

lmfao, is that from independance day ?

pablo_escobar

Mahatma Coat wrote:

Just to clarify here, You are rippin the Piss, Right????

Certainly not.

What would your life be like today if USSR had more influence over the world?

USA has done nothing but good throughout the world and the anti-american sentiment is unjustified in my opinion.

Arguably, the US have made some mistakes with their foreign policies but the positive contributions made far outweigh the negative.

I can imagine anti-american posters here would enjoy living in the gulags of USSR or under the tyrannical regime of China.

Instead you live life of luxury with internet and the culture of america.

Ireland has always been a friend of the US and todays irish people identify more with culture of USA than any other country (with exception to UK) in the world.

I'll bet most of you have some influence of america in your lives somewhere.

Brown Bomber

pablo_escobar wrote: »

Certainly not.

What would your life be like today if USSR had more influence over the world?

USA has done nothing but good throughout the world and the anti-american sentiment is unjustified in my opinion.

Arguably, the US have made some mistakes with their foreign policies but the positive contributions made far outweigh the negative.

I can imagine anti-american posters here would enjoy living in the gulags of USSR or under the tyrannical regime of China.

Instead you live life of luxury with internet and the culture of america.

Ireland has always been a friend of the US and todays irish people identify more with culture of USA than any other country (with exception to UK) in the world.

I'll bet most of you have some influence of america in your lives somewhere.

I think your confusing America with Captain America.

This is America.

Kunts.

Brown Bomber

this is america

Iraq DU baby

Dresden after the bombing

Nagasaki

Hiroshima

Agent Orange victim - Vietnam

Korean War

Now the last time Iran attacked anyone it was 300 Spartans. Who do you think is really the threat?

pablo_escobar

Yes, these are terrible results of war and i can't excuse what happened.
But are you being honest with yourself by denying the US has any influence over your lives whatsoever?

And can you really blame the actions of a few on an entire population of people?

TalkieWalkie

pablo_escobar wrote: »

Yes, these are terrible results of war and i can't excuse what happened.
But are you being honest with yourself by denying the US has any influence over your lives whatsoever?

And can you really blame the actions of a few on an entire population of people?

Pablo, unfortunately the "few" are the leaders, this has been going on for decades, more. They recruited the Nazi's after WW2.
I have not heard anyone with you're view of the U.S ever, other than tv.
Where do you live ? :eek:

Brown Bomber

pablo_escobar wrote: »

Yes, these are terrible results of war and i can't excuse what happened.

You shouldn't have to, sorry if I gave the impression that I was directly connecting you to these atrocities. If you are American I have nothing against you at all, some of the nicest people I have met are American. The American system of government (untainted and not dictated by corporations, which it is currently) is just about as good as it gets in my opinion,

pablo_escobar wrote: »

But are you being honest with yourself by denying the US has any influence over your lives whatsoever?

Absolutely, the US has had influence over me since birth - some negative, some positive, some neutral.

I moved to the countryside about two years ago from a city and here there is no McDonalds, MTV, Starbucks etc and it is fantastic.

pablo_escobar wrote: »

And can you really blame the actions of a few on an entire population of people?

Certainly not, but when your tax dollars are paying for bombs that are dropping on innocent peoples heads and you do nothing you shoulder some of the responsibility in my view.

Do you know how many (peaceful) nuclear sites Iran has? Over 80! and spread throughout the length and breadth of the country. How will it be possible to avoid massive civilian casualties in such a scenario?

How can you trust the same intelligence reports that told you there was WMD in Iraq? Hundreds of thousands, if not millions have lost their lives due to this lie, including US servicemen while foriegn corporations cash in.

IrelandSpirit

It's unfortunate we have to use terms like America, Iran, Israel when essentially talking about human beings with pretty much the same loves, needs, desires and fears as anybody else - I know it's necessary for the purpose of these discussions though i wonder how much we're truly communicating, and not fuelling the flames of division and confrontation.

If there's yet another war in middle-east, the loss of life will be huge, the environmental destruction will be huge, the overall pain and misery on all levels will be huge - war anywhere right now is totally unnecessary and insane. You can be pretty sure the overwhelming majority of people will not support it - anywhere on earth - and only a handful of psychopaths will profit. The very same calling for war sipping champagne on their palace lawns, who'll never want for anything in their lives anyway ...

Same old same old. Divide and rule. I know it's probably off topic but came across a Buddhist saying about that the other day:

"What we learned as children, that one plus one equals two, we know to be false. One plus one equals one. We even have a word for when you, plus another, equals one. That word is love."

Torakx

pablo_escobar wrote: »

Yes, these are terrible results of war and i can't excuse what happened.
But are you being honest with yourself by denying the US has any influence over your lives whatsoever?

And can you really blame the actions of a few on an entire population of people?

First of all it is not the entire population of America that is at fault.
Second, yes America has a massive influence over irish society and its a sad thing to see.I am victim to it myself by participation so stand partly guilty of allowing the american media into my life in the many forms it is here in our country and on tv and radio etc.It is for one thing ruining our Irish culture and heritage.And i would argue degrading irish society with its filthy morals.
The american media is a giant propoganda machine to rival that of the old USSR.It is most likely the same experiment except more refined and i believe the EU is also an upgraded experiment of that again.

This isnt to say that other dictators are right either.Im just saying it appears to me to be a biased oppinion if anyone thinks America is the "good guy" on this planet.There is no good guy just alot of primitive lunatics running every country it seems into the ground...or a global governance.
It could be debateable wether Iran are a potential threat.But it is also debateable wether America are the saviours of the west when considering what they(i mean those representing the states and its corperations etc) have done to this planet and the example they set for the rest of the world is not exactly sterling.

zenno

as the u.s.a says let us bring democracy to your country but as we do this "against the wishes of your citizens" we will kill/torture/mame and rape half of your population. yep sounds like america has brought freedom and democracy to other countries alright. I don't blame most americans for the actions of their military and governments though as so called democracy has been removed from the u's'a the land of freedom is no more.

democracy is much closer to collectivism than it is to individualism. Like collectivism, democracy places essential political power with the group, rather than with the individual – thus making everyone's freedom subject to the passions of the mob or those with the most power.

WakeUp

US Sen.Lieberman is in Jerusalem today he has said that the US is prepared to use force against Iran if sanctions don't work-link

This is a 30 second video being aired on US television at the moment, apparently it is being circulated on the Internet aswell. The video has been released by a US lobby group called Citizens United.

Jerusalem Post

Mahatma coat

Yes its time that Obama realised that he cant negotiate with a bunch of Anti Semetic Religious Zealots who have no regard for human Life or International law.

He Should boycot Now before its too late and these Religious extremists destroy the Middle East with Nuclear Weapons.

boycot Israel NOW

IrelandSpirit

kill me

uprising2

IrelandSpirit wrote: »

kill me

Get some sleep lad!

IrelandSpirit

uprising2 wrote: »

Get some sleep lad!

thanks, tying xx

robtri

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I think your confusing America with Captain America.

This is America.

Kunts.

well at least we agree the peopl who carried out these atrocities are kunts... ( these atrocities where carried out by a few, dont judge the whole army by these feckers)

but what about all the people Sadam killed and murdered and tortured, did they not have the right to be defended and have someone like america come in and save their lives,

uprising2

Iran Boushehr Nuclear Plant To Go Online In September
AliAkbar Salehi, head of Iran’s Nuclear Energy Organization announced that Boushehr Nuclear Plant has passed its final tests and will be launched in September.
http://www.eurasiareview.com/201007074521/iran-boushehr-nuclear-plant-to-go-online-in-september.html

Russia: Bushehr N. Power Plant's Efficiency Test Finished
TEHRAN (FNA)- The Russian contractor in charge of the construction of Iran's first nuclear power plant in the southern city of Bushehr, Atomstroyexport, said that the plant had successfully passed efficiency tests.
http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8904170694

Iran to launch nuclear power plant in September: atomic chief
TEHRAN, July 7 (Xinhua) -- Head of the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran (AEOI) Ali-Akbar Salehi said Wednesday that the Bushehr nuclear power plant is to become operational in the Iranian month of Shahrivar (August 23 to September 22), the official IRNA news agency reported.
"Today, the last test of the nuclear plant before its commissioning was carried out successfully," he was quoted as saying before managers and staff of the Bushehr nuclear power plant on Wednesday.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2010-07/07/c_13388575.htm

Jeboa Safari

Mahatma coat wrote: »

Yes its time that Obama realised that he cant negotiate with a bunch of Anti Semetic Religious Zealots who have no regard for human Life or International law.

He Should boycot Now before its too late and these Religious extremists destroy the Middle East with Nuclear Weapons.

boycot Israel NOW

Israel is anti-semitic now? :S
Anyway, I'd rather the USA be a superpower than the likes of China, India or Russia, for the simple fact that they are idealogically closer to us

Mahatma coat

robtri wrote: »

well at least we agree the peopl who carried out these atrocities are kunts... ( these atrocities where carried out by a few, dont judge the whole army by these feckers)

Its rotten to the Corp;)

but what about all the people Sadam the Americans killed and murdered and tortured, did they not have the right to be defended and have someone like america Iran come in and save their lives,

Once and for all can someone please explain what gives the Americans the Right to decide who should govern another country??????

Mahatma coat

Jeboa Safari wrote: »

Israel is anti-semitic now? :S

Semetic Peoples : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic
for Example Palestinians are a Semetic People

Slavic People : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_people
For Example Ashkenazi Jews

Anyway, I'd rather the USA be a superpower than the likes of China, India or Russia, for the simple fact that they are idealogically closer to us

If their ideology was in any way shape or form 'Close' to ours then they wouldnt be Warmongers turning a blind eye to Genocide

Jeboa Safari

Mahatma coat wrote: »

Semetic Peoples : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic
for Example Palestinians are a Semetic People

Slavic People : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_people
For Example Ashkenazi Jews

If their ideology was in any way shape or form 'Close' to ours then they wouldnt be Warmongers turning a blind eye to Genocide

Yeah and it also includes Israelites/Jews so I don't see why they'd be anti-themselves

They're a western nation and probably the country we can most identify with after Britain

What genocide are they turning a blind eye to?

digme

Jeboa Safari wrote: »

Yeah and it also includes Israelites/Jews so I don't see why they'd be anti-themselves

They're a western nation and probably the country we can most identify with after Britain

What genocide are they turning a blind eye to?

Palestine.

Mahatma coat

Jeboa Safari wrote: »

Yeah and it also includes Israelites/Jews so I don't see why they'd be anti-themselves

Jew is not an ethnicity, its a Religion, same as saying that Muslim or Catholic is an ethnicity.

They're a western nation and probably the country we can most identify with after Britain

they are a Middle Eastern theocracy, and a Racist one at that.

What genocide are they turning a blind eye to?

well lets start with Gaza

Jeboa Safari

Mahatma coat wrote: »

Jew is not an ethnicity, its a Religion, same as saying that Muslim or Catholic is an ethnicity.

they are a Middle Eastern theocracy, and a Racist one at that.

well lets start with Gaza

And whats the EU doing about it? or any other nation? what do you expect the US to do, it's not their country, and theres no way they could invade Israel
And its not just America, most major powers have history that they'd rather not. I'd don't think thats its too far a stretch that if Ireland won independence for the whole island sometime in the past 400 years that there could have been a genocide against the Protestants.
I still think the world is better off with a powerful America

TalkieWalkie

Jeboa Safari wrote: »

And whats the EU doing about it? or any other nation? what do you expect the US to do, it's not their country, and theres no way they could invade Israel
And its not just America, most major powers have history that they'd rather not. I'd don't think thats its too far a stretch that if Ireland won independence for the whole island sometime in the past 400 years that there could have been a genocide against the Protestants.
I still think the world is better off with a powerful America

Better America comit genocide rather than someone else, least you are not being wiped out, is that your mentality summed up in a sentance ?

Jeboa Safari

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

Better America comit genocide rather than someone else, least you are not being wiped out, is that your mentality summed up in a sentance ?

yes because it's the americans committing genocide in palestine, and yes i would rather not be wiped out now that you mention it

TalkieWalkie

Jeboa Safari wrote: »

yes because it's the americans committing genocide in palestine, and yes i would rather not be wiped out now that you mention it

Call me a sappy old softie, but I think it would be better if nobody was comitting genocide