randylonghorn wrote: » That's not much good for change-of-mind though ... Junior, go to the log-in page on the CAO website here. Beside where you would normally enter your application number / candidate ID, there is a "Help!" link ... click and follow the instructions.
Zenith23 wrote: » Wouldn't that just give you your CAO number and not your HPAT application number?
jumpguy wrote: » Any exact figure and source? I very much doubt that "loads" got in with less than 540, at the most. Only a few.
aine92 wrote: » I also read in the paper that last year there was a record number of guys who got in and very few girls! As someone who has sat the hpat, I dont personally see how it favours guys, but I'll update that on Monday :rolleyes:
blogger 3000 wrote: » ah no, the LC points haven't come down cos people with lower points are getting in at the expense of higher achievers. I know lots of people in med in UCC an very few got 575 points which is what it was originally an what in my opinion it still should be. 550 points as the target is a big drop in points like, and there are loadsa people who got in with only 550 or less, the lowest was 510 an loads got in with only 520,530 an 540 aswell
Leah6 wrote: » To get 600 points you need to excel in both the sciences (given that you are required to have some of them as an entry requirement)and also languages given that Irish, English and generally French are core subjects in the Leaving cert. So it's neither accurate or fair to say this.
Leah6 wrote: » Anyhow, as languages are all about communication, then your comment, if true, would imply that the person who got the 600 would be a better communicator.
Leah6 wrote: » The sort of people we need in medicine are good scientists with good language skills so that they can communicate with their patients.
Leah6 wrote: » The HPAT does not do this. What we need is a system like they have in Cambridge and Oxford where they first do a test like the HPAT (BMAT). Applicants are then called for interview to see if they are good communicators/are able for the course etc. Then they are made a provisional offer outlining the grades they have to get in the A levels. Only if they meet the grades can they take up the place.
wouldbedoc wrote: » The suspense is killing me!:eek:!Roll on Monday morning:
tracker-man wrote: » I doubt that very much. In fact, you'll find that many of those who score 600 points are more introverted than those who score lower. They are able to learn off heaps of notes/books etc. but when it comes to a social setting they are like rabbits in headlights.
tracker-man wrote: » I think there is too much emphasis now on all of this communication bull. Speaking to a consultant recently, he remarked how current med students are taught more communication than anatomy in the universities! I agree, personally I would prefer a Doctor who can cure me of my illness, not the Doctor who can gently tell me he cannot cure me :rolleyes:
TowlieMcD wrote: » how does everyone know they're out on monday? is that what happened last year or is the date up somewhere? *EDIT: Oh and whats this craic about candidate ID?? what happens if you cant find it?
Leah6 wrote: » '1f person gets around 600 cos they have a talent in language..' To get 600 points you need to excel in both the sciences (given that you are required to have some of them as an entry requirement)and also languages given that Irish, English and generally French are core subjects in the Leaving cert. So it's neither accurate or fair to say this.
Leah6 wrote: » Anyhow, as languages are all about communication, then your comment, if true, would imply that the person who got the 600 would be a better communicator. The sort of people we need in medicine are good scientists with good language skills so that they can communicate with their patients. People with a good spread of language and science subjects.
QueenOfLeon wrote: » Being able to sit down and learn off an Irish essay, all your French grammar, and a bunch of notes on how many similes there are in a poem will not make any difference to how good you are at communicating with your patients. There is no leaving cert subject that can determine anyone's skills in this. You could find great communication skills in people who achieve less in the leaving cert, and then a high-achiever who would have no empathy for a patient. Not generalising, just saying. I'm not saying the HPAT is any better at sorting out those who will be good doctors to those who are not...the effects won't be seen for another few years. But as the leaving cert doesn't help this, and there is a lot of positive evidence from other countries, the hpat is at least worth a shot. Some sort of interview system would be better, but that brings up a whole load of other problems.
Piste wrote: » Yeah but being good at languages and being able to learn off new words is extremely helpful for all the latin you have to learn for anatomy, new terms in physiology and all the drug names in pharmacology. For me studying for anatomy is reminiscent of learning French/German/Irish vocab, if I hadn't gotten to so used to it for the JC and LC I would have found anatomy extremely tough going. The ability to learn off and quickly recall huge chunks of information is extremely important in medicine- as much as effective communication, I think- and the LC prepares students well for this.
Leah6 wrote: » The purpose of language is to communicate!! Language enables doctor's to relate to and empathisise with a patient. While some doctors have highly developed interpersonal skills and rely less on language, a combination of both is best in my opinion.
JSK 252 wrote: » What do ye think are chances of getting medicine with 580 points with a decent HPAT ( nothing extraordinary)?
s0ur_cherry wrote: » I'd say fairly decent chances, that's worth 556 i think and it was around 715 last year so you'd prob need around 160? and 150 was 50th percentile.. i think..
H2student wrote: » Well there's about 4-5 days left and I'm really doubting I'll get medicine based on my LC performance alone. Just wondering, what other courses do you guys have below medicine in the Cao form.
QueenOfLeon wrote: » To get 600 points, yes, you have to excel in languages/sciences/business...basically all the subjects you're doing. I wasn't talking about getting 600, i was talking about getting medicine. Being able to sit down and learn off an Irish essay, all your French grammar, and a bunch of notes on how many similes there are in a poem will not make any difference to how good you are at communicating with your patients. There is no leaving cert subject that can determine anyone's skills in this. You could find great communication skills in people who achieve less in the leaving cert, and then a high-achiever who would have no empathy for a patient. Not generalising, just saying. I'm not saying the HPAT is any better at sorting out those who will be good doctors to those who are not...the effects won't be seen for another few years. But as the leaving cert doesn't help this, and there is a lot of positive evidence from other countries, the hpat is at least worth a shot. Some sort of interview system would be better, but that brings up a whole load of other problems.
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