PDN wrote: » And I have children, more so than celibates who are ignoring all the verses you quoted. It doesn't support eating pizza - so it stands in the same light biblically as having sex without having children (although pizza is marginally less enjoyable).
lmaopml wrote: » Please either stick something in the Charter for us to 'abide' by or else don't imprison all RC faith related topics to one thread...
Jakkass wrote: » lmaopml - It isn't putting all RC topics into one thread. It's putting all RC / Protestant disputes and debates into this thread, and thus cleaning up the main forum. StealthRolex - The spread of HIV doesn't happen because of contraceptives, but rather due to having sexual relations outside of marriage, or in marriage with multiple partners.
Jakkass wrote: » lmaopml: If you want any form of authoritative decision made on your disagreement, pop over to Sys -> Feedback and they will consider your disagreement (boards.ie admins as well as moderators). Best to do it in the early stages of the thread before it becomes too much of a normative. StealthRolex: No way of discussing without making everyone look like a rebellious child when they disagree with you?
StealthRolex wrote: » Ok then if contraception is not in the bible as a word then where is rapture? Some protestants are all over the web with the Rapture whatever that is and it appears less often in the bible than "faith alone".
StealthRolex wrote: » Did you even read the article or my comment to introduce it? read what I said and read the article. Women on the pill are at a higher risk of getting HIV and yes I know that is dependant on who their partner(s) is(are) and where they have been. .
smurfhousing wrote: »
PDN wrote: » And couples who use condoms are less likely to get HIV. :rolleyes:
PDN wrote: » It's like all the times you and Stealth Rolex say that something must be true because the Roman Catholic Church says so. While you are free to believe that if you wish, it is less than convincing to anyone who doesn't share your assumptions.
PDN wrote: » Actually, and this is rather funny, the word 'rapture' is simply an anglicised form of rapio a word that is found in your beloved Vulgate.deinde nos qui vivimus qui relinquimur simul rapiemur cum illis in nubibus obviam Domino in aera et sic semper cum Domino erimus (1 Thessalonians 4:17) So, according to your earlier posts, the word 'rapture' is lifted directly from the true Bible as authorised by your Magisterium.
StealthRolex wrote: » I'm interested to know if there is anything the Catholic Church says that is not true.
PDN wrote: » You need to understand that not every post on boards.ie gets answered. Sometimes other posters see them as being irrelevant, or not worth answering. The views of early church fathers are not considered authoritative by non-Catholics (nor are the views of Luther or Calvin), so why would non-Catholics bother answering to a post that doesn't make any kind of argument as to their position? It's like all the times you and Stealth Rolex say that something must be true because the Roman Catholic Church says so. While you are free to believe that if you wish, it is less than convincing to anyone who doesn't share your assumptions.
Woe to you that call evil good, and good evil: that put darkness for light, and light for darkness: that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter. ~Prophecy Of Isaias 5,20
smurfhousing wrote: » That is interesting. Jakkass rejects 2000 years of constant Church teaching, and you feel free to reject the witness and teachings of the earliest Christians. Smacks of arrogance and pride.
PDN wrote: » No, i don't think you are interested to know that at all. I think you will happily deny it as Protestant propagana no matter what evidence is presented to you. The Roman Catholic Church has changed its teaching many times over the years. According to the law of non-contradiction, the teaching in some past papal bulls was evidently untrue.
StealthRolex wrote: » So lets deal with current teaching. 2000yrs of experience - I reckon most of it should be ok now. As for protestant propaganda - we've already had Mary worship chucked in so you can't really blame me for thinking like that.
PDN wrote: » The earliest Christians held a wide variety of opinions on many subjects. So do you accept Tertullian's endorsement of Montanism? The earliest Christians were, like all of us, people who got some things right and also got some stuff wrong.
PDN wrote: » So, let's get this straight. Your position is that the Roman Catholic Church taught stuff that wan't true in the past - but now it's got its act together and everything is true now? How fortunate of you to live in an age when there are no mistakes, rather than in previous centuries.
PDN wrote: » Why do you keep repeating something that is untrue? RC faith related topics can be discussed in other threads. But debates between Protestants and Catholics as to who is right will remain in this thread. Learn to live with it. When I see the bigotry already on display in this thread (accusing others of basing their beliefs on lies), I feel the rest of the forum is already a healthier environment for all Christians to discuss everything else. It also enables us to deal with the occasional anti-Catholic statements which, at times, have spoiled the forum for others. We are not going to keep discussing this with you. If you have an issue with moderating decisions then address them through PM or in Feedback. Please let's avoid any more backseat modding.
lmaopml wrote: » Bigotry is a two way street! and this thread is the chanell...
PDN wrote: » According to the law of non-contradiction, the teaching in some past papal bulls was evidently untrue.
Jakkass wrote: » I honestly don't know what has been said that could constitute bigotry on the counter side of these arguments. All we have been doing is presenting our disagreement to StealthRolex and smurfhousing since they started advocating certain views on this forum.
PDN wrote: » If we don't answer their questions then they claim to have stumped us. For what it's worth - I am just as much anti-Protestant as I am anti-Catholic. I think both the Catholic churches and Protestant churches make mistakes, have faults and need to be a bit more humble.
