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kevinhalvey

hi im wondering does anyone know what the main battle tank of the irish army ive been looking around and all i found is these

http://www.military.ie/army/equipment/vehicles/cav/scorpion/index.htm

http://www.military.ie/army/equipment/vehicles/cav/aml90/index.htm

http://www.military.ie/army/equipment/vehicles/cav/aml20/index.htm

do we not have any thing that can pack a punch ????

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OS119

BostonB wrote: »

On UN operations it seems the problem is a lack of will to use the firepower, than a lack of firepower. Though I accept that shock and awe and intimidation work wonders to stop things kicking off.

oh absolutely - what matters is whether the locals believe you'll unleash the beast, not whether you will or not.

the Irish in Chad were hampered by not having something that looked intimidating, and was able to move around within the Irish Area of Operations - one could argue that a MOWAG with a Javelin team could rumble past and make a big bang, but it just doesn't do the intimidation thing in the way that a tank does.

what matters it what works, not what makes people feel better - there is, imv, no doubt that humanitarian efforts were disrupted, supplies lost, refugees killed, injured and indimidated, and the ability of an EU battlegroup to deny an area to bandits and gangsters compromised, because of a deep, wide streak of anti-militarism within the Irish body politic.

i hope they are very proud of the consequences of what made them feel better.

BostonB

OS119 wrote: »

MBT's would have been astonishingly useful in Chad - little is more able to demostrate your physical mastery of an area that having your 70-ton tanks drive around it with total impunity while possesing firepower barely dreamed about by those one wishes to 'keep in their box'.

the problems the IA faced in Chad - and in those incidents where it could be said to have failed in its mandate - were caused, imho, by a lack of mobility, and a lack of fear of its response on the part of its opponents.

PK ops have found, time and again, that having overwelming force - as demonstrated by putting a fecking great tank on the street - and being thought of as being prepared to use it, are precursors to a successful op.

On UN operations it seems the problem is a lack of will to use the firepower, than a lack of firepower. Though I accept that shock and awe and intimidation work wonders to stop things kicking off.

tfitzgerald

Donny5 wrote: »

Well, because we don't have tanks, but we do have pistols.

OS119

BostonB wrote: »

...I'm all for having well equipped defense forces, but they should be appropriate to the role.

MBT's would have been astonishingly useful in Chad - little is more able to demostrate your physical mastery of an area that having your 70-ton tanks drive around it with total impunity while possesing firepower barely dreamed about by those one wishes to 'keep in their box'.

the problems the IA faced in Chad - and in those incidents where it could be said to have failed in its mandate - were caused, imho, by a lack of mobility, and a lack of fear of its response on the part of its opponents.

PK ops have found, time and again, that having overwelming force - as demonstrated by putting a fecking great tank on the street - and being thought of as being prepared to use it, are precursors to a successful op.

BostonB

Why would we need MBTs? I know they are useful away big battles etc, ie in urban fighting, like in Iraq but thats not something we do either.

We had/have these
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FV101_Scorpion

I'm all for having well equipped defense forces, but they should be appropriate to the role.

Morpheus

No no no, tanks? are you MAD man?

dasterdly noisy things,

green party wont have them, damage the habitat of the rare lesser spotted yellow slug in the glen so they would, cost lots of money so they do, all them tracks and belching smoke and roaring engines?? God, we'd need bigger ear muffs for the lads and gas masks to protect them from the fumes, cant be having that Im afraid...

whats that you say? fighter jets - sure were neutral, we dont need an... whats that? were NOT neutral you say? shhhh dont tell the europeans!!! anyway where was I, damn jets, nothing but a pain in the back side, noisy frightful things that scream around the place damaging the hearing of blue tipped great tits up in the wicklow mountains, frighten the poor sheep...

Did you say helicopters? Good lord someone call the funny farm... what on earth would the Irish army need to be flown about in helicopters, theyre only needed for ministers on important duty, like opening pubs and other such em.. eh... important things yes... the army are trained on their feet man, marchy marchy march, they can get ANYWHERE in ireland in a day or two, absolultely no need for those horrid chopper things, even sounds dangerous, "choppers", probably chop up poor eagles and owls and stuff, couldnt have them flying at night time either, too much noise, people cant sleep....

swords, yes SWORDS!!! nothing like the gentle caress of cold steel, the rattle of sabres at first light, they dont like it up em, cost less than choppers too and scare the enemy more, up the middle with smoke and swords at dawn after a 2 day brisk walk through the peaceful glen of imaal. thats the way wars should be fought!!

The irish will show the rest of the world how its done, never fear - save money too so we will.... :rolleyes:

Thats a brief glimpse into the mindset of todays politicians, lots and lots of sh*t excuses to NOT spend money on something that they simply do not, can not and never will understand, thats:
what a military is for,
how it operates and
why its needed....

sad but true

The irish army is doomed to forever aspire to heights it can never reach...

OS119

civis_liberalis wrote: »

For the same reason they don't buy new tanks. They don't have the budget for it.

actually they don't have the doctrine for it, deliberately, and purely to please both politicians and the military-phobic public.

the Irish Army is the only Army in the EU that doesn't believe you need MBT's for both peacekeeping and warfighting operations, the Irish Army is also the only Army in the EU that doesn't believe in air mobility, that doesn't believe in Artillery, and doesn't understand what happens to an Army that doesn't have Air Superiority when it meets one that does.

obviously very other Army in the EU is wrong, and the IA has a unique grip on future wars.

civis_liberalis

delancey42 wrote: »

Why would the Irish army not buy used tanks , e.g. Leopard 1's from the Bundeswehr ?

For the same reason they don't buy new tanks. They don't have the budget for it.

Delancey

Why would the Irish army not buy used tanks , e.g. Leopard 1's from the Bundeswehr ?

Steyr

IBTL.:D

DylanJM

green would be normal army things but better obviously then the black role would be like freeing hostages from terrorists

What?! This thread is funny.

youllneverknow

the rangers have two roles black and green
green would be normal army things but better obviously then the black role would be like freeing hostages from terrorists

Donny5

DylanJM wrote: »

Eh, why are you guys talking about what pistol we use on a thread about tanks?

Well, because we don't have tanks, but we do have pistols.

DylanJM

Eh, why are you guys talking about what pistol we use on a thread about tanks?

kevinhalvey

a right nice

Donny5

kevinhalvey wrote: »

then do the rangers use the p226 because i seen them with it ??

http://kildare.ie/defenceforces/ORG/org_images/Pistol_Man_small.jpg

http://www.fianoglach.ie/unitequipment.html

that website is good for irish ranger stuff

They're Rangers; they can probably use whatever they want. The issue sidearm is a 9mm USP.

kevinhalvey

then do the rangers use the p226 because i seen them with it ??

http://kildare.ie/defenceforces/ORG/org_images/Pistol_Man_small.jpg

http://www.fianoglach.ie/unitequipment.html

that website is good for irish ranger stuff

Donny5

kevinhalvey wrote: »

i really think that the government should re-vamp the army it does need a bit of up-dating is there sidearm still the browning hi-power or did they change it to the sig saur p226 p229

It's a H&K USP.

kevinhalvey

i really think that the government should re-vamp the army it does need a bit of up-dating is there sidearm still the browning hi-power or did they change it to the sig saur p226 p229

DylanJM

We actually had a few Churchill tanks back in the in the 50's and 60's. They were retired in 1969.

The point is though, we don't have mbt's because we simply don't need them, the budget could be better spent elsewhere.

kevinhalvey

very true but at least we have our elite rangers

Poccington

IrishGrimReaper wrote: »

God I wish, the Irish army would never spend the money on that kinda thing. But even to have just a few of them would be a real morale booster, if I was in Lebanon or somewhere and knew some of those were about I'd feel a whole lot safer.

If I recall right, the army bought a few jets off Italy or someone years ago, and they are now sitting in a hangar somewhere, apparently they don't work or something. Maybe someone can find a link to this, I can't remember the details, it was awhile ago now.

The Defence Forces would never spend money on something like that?

The DF doesn't have the money to spend on MBT's. It's nothing to do with not wanting to buy MBT's, we merely have a ridiculously small Defence budget.

kevinhalvey

concussion wrote: »

This

i meant with tracks

concussion

kevinhalvey wrote: »

do we not have any thing that can pack a punch ????

This

Steyr

kevinhalvey wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8h7Uc_aqKM little vid

What has that got to do in a thread about Main Battle Tanks which we dont have?

Steyr

IrishGrimReaper wrote: »

If I recall right, the army bought a few jets off Italy or someone years ago, and they are now sitting in a hangar somewhere, apparently they don't work or something. Maybe someone can find a link to this, I can't remember the details, it was awhile ago now.

First off its the Air Corps not Army and they never operated Italian Jets, Who told you the above????

They first operated UK Built DH Vampire T55 Jets
Numbers:
185,186,187,191,192,193,198 (198-ground airframe )

Then they Operated Fouga CM170 Super Magister Jets ( French Built )
Numbers:
215,216,217,218,219,220,221, ( 221/3-KE Ground Airframe )

They Operated Italian SIAI Marchetti SF260WE Aircraft too, these were Italian Built but not Jets they are prop Aircraft
Numbers:
222,223,224,225,226,227,228,229,230,231,233,235, ( Leased N402FD,N405FD,N407FD )

Who told you the above?? All the above had long careers with the Air Corps in the Light Strike/Training Roles and have long since been retired.

Manic Moran

im wondering does anyone know what the main battle tank of the irish army

I thought the comedy forum was -thataway-...

NTM

kevinhalvey

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8h7Uc_aqKM little vid

IrishGrimReaper

kevinhalvey wrote: »

yea they do
i really think the army should invest in some leclercs and bradleys

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/leclerc/images/Leclerc_11.jpg

http://img225.imageshack.us/i/m2bradley19bw.jpg/

God I wish, the Irish army would never spend the money on that kinda thing. But even to have just a few of them would be a real morale booster, if I was in Lebanon or somewhere and knew some of those were about I'd feel a whole lot safer.

If I recall right, the army bought a few jets off Italy or someone years ago, and they are now sitting in a hangar somewhere, apparently they don't work or something. Maybe someone can find a link to this, I can't remember the details, it was awhile ago now.

kevinhalvey

yea they do
i really think the army should invest in some leclercs and bradleys

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/leclerc/images/Leclerc_11.jpg

http://img225.imageshack.us/i/m2bradley19bw.jpg/