Anan1 wrote: » As an alternative to road tax i'd be all in favour.
cyclopath2001 wrote: » There is no road tax in Ireland. Done correctly, road pricing would favour people who live near where they work/shop and who choose space-efficient methods of transportation.
Cookie_Monster wrote: » its an expensive and inefficient way of recording tax. think of all the technology that needs to be brought in to do it.
Cookie_Monster wrote: » Much simpler would be a fuel tax, does effectivly the same thing, you pay by use not just per annum.
dr.fuzzenstein wrote: » I need to travel over 100 km in total to and from work every day. Why? because there is zero jobs in my area. I can only just afford it, there is no public transport alternative and if I suddenly had to pay more, I'd have to jack in my job, sell my car and sign on the dole again. I and many others would gladly take public transport if there was any, but all the greens do is tax us more and more. This has nothing to do with being eco friendly and everything with screwing as much money out of the motorist as possible. If there was an affordable public transport system and everyone gave up their car, Ireland would be broke within weeks since public transport never makes any money, it never has and it never will. The government is dependent on people taking their car, drinking, smoking, shopping, buying houses, etc... It might just the last straw to send the country spiralling into ruin, we're already taking on water as a country and this would be the equivalent to opening the scuttles.
dr.fuzzenstein wrote: » I need to travel over 100 km in total to and from work every day.
cyclopath2001 wrote: » It's a sad fact of how people were pushed out of the city by bad planning. 100km commutes are bad for national competiveness. It's clogging up the roads so that goods cost more to delver and it's adding to our imported fuel bill. How do we solve this?
Eric Cartman wrote: » \ agreed, public transport doesnt really work inside the commuter belt either before i bought a car in 2008 I used to get public transport to work , and heres why i bought a car public transport : Train €3.00 (Leixlip/maynooth to connolly) , 16a bus €1.80 quays - terenure costs : 4.80 euro / 70-80 minutes so €9.60 a day (2 hours 20 minutes travelling) car : 148 euro a month insurance 4.90 a day 177 euro a month repayment 5.90 a day 288 euro a year tax 78c a day 300 euro a year servicing 82c a day 40 euro a week in fuel 5.70 a day €18.10 a day (40 minutes travelling) so in exchange for 9 euro im saving 1 hour 40 minutes , (spending 5.40 an hour to not get the bus) so if with that hour and 40 minutes i saved I could make 5.40 the car would be cheaper, entirely worth it not to deal with the bus
jock101 wrote: » Not forgetting the comfort, efficiency and security you get having your own transport. It well worth the next cost! Even if motoring cost increase massively in the coming years, Fuel, Tax, Insurance, Tolls etc... . I still wont give up my car. I will just buy something small and affordable to run. Like a Toyota Aygo etc.. or just leave this State.
KamiKazi wrote: » No. Abolish motor tax and tolls, and just have a fuel tax. Might get rid of some of the clowns doing school runs in huge SUVs around the city center :rolleyes:
Eric Cartman wrote: » couldnt be done, if they push diesel any higher its going to kill small firms, we need diesel for trucks and vans and jeeps to actually do work, the clowns doing school runs in those huge SUVs have paid their price in the forms of VRT and the amount of fuel it consumes , dont agree with them, if I could id ban anyone doing under 15k miles a year from owning such a vehicle but they are paying for it, like it or not them buying a 80-100grand car brings the goverment enough money not to load fuel or increase VRT for the rest of us, taxing the fuel instead of the vehicle would just make more people able to afford these large SUV's and only able to afford the fuel for short (school) runs, so it would add to your problems
KamiKazi wrote: » Of course it could. The price added to fuel would equate to what you'd be paying in road tax and tolls
Eric Cartman wrote: » the current system is a level playing field , you can drive whatever car you want as long as you can pay for it , and you can drive whatever mileage you want at a reasonable cost no matter the car , the new system would mean the person with a range rover or a jag they use for the school run is paying less than the rep in a ford focus or the van driver in a berlingo
Voodoomelon wrote: » The fact that people who drive to work or drive for work will be hit more is somewhat irrelevant, what is relevant is that they use the roads more and hence should pay more. The fact that there may be no public transport in your area and you have no other choice is also irrelevant, this is about making the taxation system fairer. Issues with housing, public transport, rent etc are all seperate matters. Why should someone who drives 5000 miles a year with a large engined car pay 4 times more motor tax than someone who drives 40000 miles a year in a 1.9 diesel? Yes it hits the traveller harder, but is that not the fairest way of doing it? Because as the system is set up right now, it is completely unfair. Not everyone who pays over €1000 a year motor tax is a millionare, infact very few are I would imagine. And even the CEO who does 40,000 miles a year in his S600 Mercedes is going to be paying a massive amount of tax with fuel based tax, and rightly so. If the tax is on fuel, you are paying for your consumption, you are paying for your CO2 emissions and you are paying for your road usage. The system is fairer and not top heavy, loading the larger engined cars with ridiculous costs. I pay 7 times more tax than a Micra of the same era, despite the fact I emit less than twice the C02 and only do 9.5k miles a year. Wheres the fairness in that?
Eric Cartman wrote: » \ agreed, public transport doesnt really work inside the commuter belt either before i bought a car in 2008 I used to get public transport to work , and heres why i bought a car public transport : Train €3.00 (Leixlip/maynooth to connolly) , 16a bus €1.80 quays - terenure costs : 4.80 euro / 70-80 minutes so €9.60 a day (2 hours 20 minutes travelling) car : 148 euro a month insurance 4.90 a day 177 euro a month repayment 5.90 a day 288 euro a year tax 78c a day 300 euro a year servicing 82c a day 40 euro a week in fuel 5.70 a day €18.10 a day (40 minutes travelling) so in exchange for 9 euro im saving 1 hour 40 minutes and sitting next to weirdos on public transport, entirely worth it
jock101 wrote: » With the advent of the range of new tolls imposed on the Irish motorist in recent months and other penal taxes like VRT, Parking Levies, Car Insurance Levy and probably soon to be a congestion charge in Dublin etc... Do you think Road Pricing should be introduced in the next few years!
jock101 wrote: » If you can afford to buy and run a vehicle with a large cc engine, 2 Litres or more. You should pay for for the privilege. As for this CO2 emissions crap, that has yet to be fully proven. As I for one and many others dont believe CO2 is really damaging the Planet. This is just the Greens bunkum, that Fianna Fail use as an excuse to screw the Serfdom classes for more tax. Road pricing would just be another system to screw more tax and control peoples freedom of movement. Even if a car was invented that ran on water, there would be some kind of tax or water levy imposed. Even when the Hydrogen fuel cell become widely used in the next decade or so, that emits water and oxygen. They will slap some other tax on to replace CO2?????????:mad:
KamiKazi wrote: » Maybe you should stop posting until you pull your head out of your arse
