MrPudding wrote: » Why are you treating both points as separate? Obviously, if it states that other threads will be deleted or lock then not only do you have to create a new thread, but you have to do it somewhere where they won't be locked or deleted. That is why I said new thread and a forum where it would be allowed. I used "and" to indicate that both actions would have to be carried out.
As I have repeatedly tried to point out to you, as far as I am concerned, with respect to what I post, this thread is not for talking about non clerical child sex abuse. I don't care what you do, or what you discuss.
This is not a denial of the other 99%, according to you and your source, of child sex abuse.
It should only be taken as an indication that I have taken the decision that I, that is me and me only, not you, not anyone else, no one, just me, should not and will not discuss non clerical child sex abuse in this thread. This is not me back seat modding, it is not me commenting on how this thread, or indeed forum should be moderated, it is not me trying to influence what anyone else posts or does not post in this thread or in this forum.
It is simply an indication that I AM UNWILLING TO TALK ABOUT NON CLERICAL CHILD SEX ABUSE IN THIS THREAD.
now, I am really running out was ways, and indeed the will to explain this any further. It is a reasonable easy concept to understand, I think.
philiporeilly wrote: » Archbishop of Dublin Dr Diarmuid Martin has warned that there are still strong forces preventing the truth about clerical abuse from emerging. He said he was personally disheartened and discouraged about the level of willingness within the church to begin a process of renewal. Bishop of Kilaloe Dr Willie Walsh says he largely agrees with the Archbishop of Dublin's comments on the Catholic Church's handling of clerical child sexual abuse. Bishop Walsh said the Catholic hierarchy was still in denial.
kiwimac wrote: » I think this whole visitation thing is a step backwards into the 1950s. Can't see it working, people are, on the whole, better educated and less willing to let others do their thinking for them in matters of faith than once they were.
Michael G wrote: » Catholic education in the schools is vacuous; so are most of the homilies delivered on Sundays; and most of our Masses are a travesty. If the visitation can do something about all of that, it will be a wonderful thing.
DerryRed wrote: » I think you touch on a great point here about the homilies delivered on Sundays. I've been saying for years that the quality of sermons is an absolute disgrace. In a lot of cases the priest just repeats what was said in the Gospel, with no added value. I could count on one hand the number of priests in the last 20 years that I would call good preachers. If the "visitation" can sort out anything I hope this is one of them.
Michael G wrote: » Like you, I have found them rare enough. From my own experience, depending on where I might be at Mass on Sundays, I would commend the Dominican Fr Ronan Cusack and Fr John Hogan, curate in St Mary's Parish, both in Drogheda; also Fr Patrick McCarthy PP in St Peter and Paul's parish in Cork and Fr Thomas O'Toole in Kilkenny (I hope I am not getting any of them into trouble with their superiors; I know that being orthodox is not the most promising road to advancement in the Irish church).
Michael G wrote: » I agree with this post http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/member.php?u=336023.
Wacker wrote: » Hi Michael, You've posted the wrong link, and I'm quite curious to read the post you meant. Can you edit your post? Thanks.
Michael G wrote: » As you say. Milton used the same image in Lycidas, though he was talking about the clergy of the Church of England: The hungry sheep look up, and are not fed. Mind you, most of our lot would make the clergy of the present Church of England look like fundamentalists.
smurfhousing wrote: » Fr Hogan has been on EWTN. He would be an exception to the general rule. You know there's a problem when... I'm at Mass, and I think to myself ''I have books on my shelf at home. Give me half an hour, and I can come up with a better sermon than this.'' And be thinking that pretty much every Sunday. It's so frustrating to see that most of our priests are simply not teaching faith and morals at Mass. I'm not simply talking about fire and brimstone. I'm talking about both the positive and the negative elements of the Gospel - yes there is sin, we've sinned, but we can be forgiven, and best of all we can experience true joy in this life, and real love. Instead of being enslaved to the world and it's pleasures and empty promises, and despair. They are either afraid to or refuse to because they don't agree with it. They think they are being kind to the congregation, but they are actually being really cruel. The sheep need fed, and they give them candyfloss, instead of healthy green, life-giving grass. You can't give what you don't have. We have to look at the seminary. Maynooth. Enough said. Our priests, by and large, have not been formed.
DerryRed wrote: » I sometimes wonder what is happening in the seminary. I mean are the priests even getting taught how to speak in public. I believe many of the poor sermons can be attributed to a nervousness about speaking in public, in addition to the reasons you give.
DerryRed wrote: » I'm living in Kilkenny. Do you know what church Fr Thomas O'Toole is based in? Maybe we should setup some kind of Rate My Priest service on the web
Michael G wrote: » Fr O'Toole is at St Patrick's Church, College Road, Kilkenny. On Sundays at 5 p.m. he says Mass in the Extraordinary Form. His homilies are excellent, the liturgy is beautiful and they have a small but proficient choir.
A high-profile former Roman Catholic priest in Italy has been charged with sexual abuse. Pierino Gelmini, 85, is alleged to have abused 12 young people at a drug rehabilitation centre he had founded.
pitkan wrote: » When history looks back upon the Vaticans response to the Murphy report will the headline be...Pope Dithered While The Faithful Departed.
Michael G wrote: » Just in case the Pope is logged in at the moment, who are the faithful, how many are departing, and in what way is he dithering? I would be interested to read precise reasoned answers to all three questions and so, I am sure, would he.
The abusive priests are not the only hypocrites. “I am so shocked by the abuse scandal I am leaving the Church.” Right. So, the fact that some degenerates who should never have been ordained violated young people – in itself a deplorable sin – means that the Son of God did not come down to earth, redeem mankind on the cross and found the Church? This appalling scandal no more compromises the truths of the Faith than the career of Alexander VI or any other corrupt Renaissance Pope.
pitkan wrote: » Hi Michael G, my statement was a play on words. The faithful in my statement are the people who, like myself, have been regular church goers and who, for whatever reason in connection with the child abuse scandals- whether it be because of the overall situation (the whole damned affair warts and all) or latterly on separate issues such as Bishops refusing to resign or the Pope stalling all or any inquiries or in handing over documents (the list goes on), have left the mass attending part of the Catholic religion. I have stopped going to mass this year but I have been more than aware of the decline in church goers in my own parish in the last few years since the revelations began to gather pace. I can obtain mass any day on EWTN or to observe the Sabbath as per the ten commandments, to keep holy that day. Indeed, the Pope or one of his many advisers may be observing this site just the same as Google, the C.I.A., The F.B.I. and all the other paranoid so and so`s who invade our privacy daily.
Michael G wrote: » I honestly cannot understand what you mean by "the mass attending part of the Catholic religion". There is no other essential part of the "Catholic religion". At the Mass the priest, not as himself but as a cipher for Jesus Christ, conducts the Last Supper and the Sacrifice of Calvary. We are there looking at it and present at it. At every Mass we are out of time and in eternity. Nothing else approaches it in importance. As for the Pope watching your activity on the web, I think he would leave that to the Holy Ghost, whose technical resources are larger.
Feownah wrote: » Happy to see the Belgian authorities are taking the kind of action that needs to be taken across the board http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/vaticancityandholysee/7852125/Child-sex-abuse-raid-on-Belgian-Catholic-Church.html
Spacedog wrote: » This thread is not for comments on child abuse, it is a dumping ground for the uncomfortably truthful comments to be buried under inane off topic chatter about what priest gives the best mass. It is a desgrace that the police should investigate child abuse in such a way, Clergy should be above the law, and discussion about crimes against children should be suppressed in public forums. This is the Irish way, the good, way, the Christian way. doesn't it make ya proud? now shut up, we're trying to discuss mass, I suggest a ranking between 1 and 10 blah blah, look over there! it's madonna!... what were we talking about? never mind, probably wasn't important.
