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Match Up Advice Thread.

Azza

Hey guys I was thinking about starting a thread for discussing match ups in SF IV. Been playing a good few Irish players recently across all the formats recently and while player skill is variable few people seem to appraoch the match ups correctly.

I've seen in several interviews from both the American and Japanese scene that one of the big differences is players in Japan share information on match ups where as the Americans where more relunctant to share secrets. Both scenes reckon its one of the reasons why the Japanese are better.

Being a Bison player I'd be happy to offer my advice on how to play against him. I can also offer an opinion on good or bad habits I have observed players doing in match ups against me.

Other people who play other characters can also offer advice on there match ups.

So any questions, fire away.

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Orim

Ramza wrote: »

Without any meter it would be impossible to do a combo of that number with Ryu

He didn't say no meter, which is why we're assuming FADCs.

Doctor DooM wrote: »

I guess it depends on the hitstun from the normals. I'm no Ryu expert.

Yeah not sure meself. The only things that I would imagine could be FADCd and allow for continued combo is cl.HP and cl.HK but neither of them really helps in this situation except maybe very early in the combo.

We need this video Ken!

Ramza

Without any meter it would be impossible to do a combo of that number with Ryu

Doctor DooM

Orim wrote: »

Couldn't he FADC a normal to continue the combo? Thus doing it without specials.

I guess it depends on the hitstun from the normals. I'm no Ryu expert.

Orim

Couldn't he FADC a normal to continue the combo? Thus doing it without specials.

K.O.Kiki

Why worry about scaling when you can dizzy, eh?

Doctor DooM

FutureGuy wrote: »

Oh I'm sure he used FADCs, Ken said he didnt use "Super/Ultra/Ex moves or even any specials"

No doubt they can be done, but would like to see what he did. You can get 8-9 hits with c.lp, c.lp, c.lp, c.mk, hadouken>FADC>hp, h.srk. he probably used 2 FADCs.

Like c.lp, c.lp, c.lp, c.mk, hadouken>FADC c.lp, c.lp, c.lp, c.mk, hadouken>FADC c.lp, c.lp, c.lp, c.mk, hadoken?

Is this possible with Ryu? Imagine the damage scaling if so

You often see Modinside doing something similar with Guile, actually.

FutureGuy

LIFETRAP wrote: »

I can't think of what could make any combo that large without at least one special FADC'd.

Oh I'm sure he used FADCs, Ken said he didnt use "Super/Ultra/Ex moves or even any specials"

No doubt they can be done, but would like to see what he did. You can get 8-9 hits with c.lp, c.lp, c.lp, c.mk, hadouken>FADC>hp, h.srk. he probably used 2 FADCs.

LIFETRAP

I can't think of what could make any combo that large without at least one special FADC'd.

K.O.Kiki

Ken B wrote: »

I may try to show you that replay, I get hit with a 12-13 hit combo by Ryu where he doesn't use any Super/Ultra/Ex moves or even any specials....really unbelievable stuff...

From what I understand of SFIV's combo system, I find this a LITTLE hard to believe

FutureGuy

Ken B wrote: »

I may try to show you that replay, I get hit with a 12-13 hit combo by Ryu where he doesn't use any Super/Ultra/Ex moves or even any specials....really unbelievable stuff...

Would love to see this!

Ken B

Bush80 wrote: »

Ye ive played a lot of really good Swedish players alright.

I may try to show you that replay, I get hit with a 12-13 hit combo by Ryu where he doesn't use any Super/Ultra/Ex moves or even any specials....really unbelievable stuff...

bush

Ken B wrote: »

Better than Brainz...Holy!:eek:

I was invited to an endless battle lobby by the infamous MoniraKing (Sverige) a couple of nights back and there was another Swedish dude called xxMikkexx there, he did the craziest sh!t to me that any Ryu has....EVER. I saved both my fights against him because they were so utterly amazing(from his point of view, anyway).

There appears to be a really awesome crop of Swedish players out there....

Ye ive played a lot of really good Swedish players alright.

Ken B

Bush80 wrote: »

Ive played both those dudes, they are about the same level. Swedish fella might even be a bit better

Better than Brainz...Holy!:eek:

I was invited to an endless battle lobby by the infamous MoniraKing (Sverige) a couple of nights back and there was another Swedish dude called xxMikkexx there, he did the craziest sh!t to me that any Ryu has....EVER. I saved both my fights against him because they were so utterly amazing(from his point of view, anyway).

There appears to be a really awesome crop of Swedish players out there....

bush

Ken B wrote: »

I have a guy on my friends list called JustBrainz who is a unbelievably good Fuerte(one of the best Dutch players) I'lll try to arrange an endless lobby with him. I'd be franky suprised if the Swedish lad was better, to be honest.

Ps: Everyone, 3 x Kick flip generally avoids his shenanigans!!;)

Ive played both those dudes, they are about the same level. Swedish fella might even be a bit better

Ken B

chris mcmahon wrote: »

i think a training session might be in order. although if anybody has some usefull tips here it would be greatly appreciated.
if theres a problem yo il solve it, check out the hook as my DJ revolves it.

I have a guy on my friends list called JustBrainz who is a unbelievably good Fuerte(one of the best Dutch players) I'lll try to arrange an endless lobby with him. I'd be franky suprised if the Swedish lad was better, to be honest.

Ps: Everyone, 3 x Kick flip generally avoids his shenanigans!!;)

Doctor DooM

Ramza wrote: »

Again it's a mixup, it all boils down to guessing

Backdash will get you out of tortilla grab (afaik) but lose to tostada press

Focus is vice versa

Reversal is useless with most chars as you can safe tortilla and crossup tostada (the shotos spring to mind)

I know it's a guess . Apparently if you guess right with a block on a tostada you can actually punish with a sonic boom. This is from modinside so I don't know how realistic it is for mere mortals to try

Ramza

Again it's a mixup, it all boils down to guessing

Backdash will get you out of tortilla grab (afaik) but lose to tostada press

Focus is vice versa

Reversal is useless with most chars as you can safe tortilla and crossup tostada (the shotos spring to mind)

Doctor DooM

Oooh look at the old men being all superior.

Fuerte's mix up is the one I have the most trouble with too, guessing between FA and back dash usually gets you out of there quick enough though.

Ramza

Fuerte's mixup isn't even that devastating :pac:

Dreddybajs

chris mcmahon wrote: »

the odds seem definately in favour of fuerte in that situation, but i suppose its his main way to do damage. pain in the ass all the same tho.

It's called a mixup, I know you baby sf4 players may not be used to the concept :pac:

bush

I use blanka for this match. Those kind of mix ups dont really work on him. Akumas vortex etc
I was using cody against that dude and got destroyed. I didnt know what to do once he knocked me down.

chris mcmahon

i think a training session might be in order. although if anybody has some usefull tips here it would be greatly appreciated.
if theres a problem yo il solve it, check out the hook as my DJ revolves it.

Sisko

Jump back fierce or roundhouse should work... I think...

Don't fight many fuerte's if I did I'd probably hate him as much as yourself alright. lol.

chris mcmahon

and another thing, if he does go for a "tortilla throw" (that thing that always lands, were he spins round your head displaying why he is the worst character ever), can you just jump away from that? i know if you try to jump a splash you get hit. i hate him

chris mcmahon

the odds seem definately in favour of fuerte in that situation, but i suppose its his main way to do damage. pain in the ass all the same tho. I JUST WANT TO RIP HIS FACE OFF WITH A FIST OF FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i wonder would medium shoryu beat his splashes?

bush

You just have to guess. I played that dude the other day too, hes really good.

chris mcmahon

backdashes get caught, forward dash seems to slow too. focus dashes work against splashes but there is no way to punish after them if its a cross up splash. if you focus a splash from the front its a free sweep but thats the only punish i can work out. focusing the hit still gets grabbed so rock scissors paper is right. i dont like fighting him at all, all you can do is poke his brains out when your both standing and i hate playing ken that way. is their no good fuertes on these boards that wouldnt mind spilling their guts?

unky chop chop

Then you get hit by the slide i think. i feel your pain, it's like a guessing game. I know a dash forward goes under his splash and then you can crouching Mk and tatsu. I've also been trying the light dragon punch which beats his throw thing but I've no concrete tactic and it all seems rock paper scissors to me

K.O.Kiki

Backdash?

chris mcmahon

right, was online there for a while, fought a miliion vegas, beat all but 1, was on for about an hour, get ken up to b tier yessssssssssssssssss.
but.........................
fought his guy from sweeden called harpworld or something and he played fuerte, had over 10,000 bp and he f****d me up everytime he got a knock down, he nearly got 2 perfects on me in the first game, and i took a round off him in the next fight.
however it made me realise, fuerte is probably my worst match up, does anybody have any tips for swatting that annoying fly? (specifically getting out of his grab/slide/splash pressure when he gets a knock down)