spikadelica wrote: » You see there is a perception of wealth but the individual guys in these orders are not all that well off.. they get by but in comparison to other teachers from their generation they lag behind in terms of cash and respect.. !
spikadelica wrote: » Well don't we just love our religious orders, can't comment on nuns but have a very close relative who is a CBS brother .. he can claim two pensions having worked in both UK and ROI education system.. however all his income is given towards the running of the household that he and several other brothers are living in. The days of housekeepers and all the easy living is well gone for these old lads now.. and they are allocated pocket money on a needs must basis... if my relative left the order and did his own thing he would have close to 900 Euro /p/w nice work if you can get it.
dayshah wrote: » What about the Franciscans? Also, a lot of the Brothers in De La Salle are not well off. They donate most of their teaching salary.
deisemum wrote: » The only poor priests I've seen are those in the missions.
deisemum wrote: » My husband's uncle has been left property including property in Ballsbridge during the boom and he's not the only one. If as you claim their earnings are so low how come a lot of them can afford to go off to the Algarve/Florida etc for a few weeks holidays playing golf then come back and head off again shortly after and it's paid for out of their own pockets. I'd be delighted to earn €17,000 and have accommodation provided.
deravarra wrote: » I think this is very misleading. Im not sure how "well heeled" you think priests are, but it's nothing like you suggest! Diocesan priests get far below the minimum wage. How many people with a good few years of study would do that? and for the hours they do ... And as for holidays ... everyone is entitled to time off work - and priests are the same in this regard. As for the suggestion of a few holidays a year ... nonsensical! "plenty of them left houses" ... again, doubtful. I know plenty of priests - diocesan ones, and they depend on their families to subsidise them in their day to day living ... even down to groceries ... because they arent being paid enough. Did you know that in Waterford, they get paid once every three months? And from what I recall from a recent conversation with one of the priests down there, their salary is quite small. Dublin pays €29,000 per year - but Waterford would be about €17,000.
Yes Boss wrote: » That's it in a nutshell - They should all be audited!!
deisemum wrote: » There are a lot of very wealthy priests and plenty of them have been left houses and other property by old wans or old lads who didn't have close family or even their own families. The only poor priests I've seen are those in the missions. Having married into a family that have priests and nuns in it and from having discussions with them as well as other priests that I have known over the years I know how well heeled a lot of them are. As for their declared income it's very like the taxi drivers who were all putting in the similiar low amounts a few years back. Every single one of the priests that I know take a number of holidays every years. That aside I do think people should offer something if they're having an occasion at the church. The one thing that I think is disgraceful is where it's a month's mind mass and the family of the recently deceased stand like beggars at the back of the church so that the congregation put money in a box that will then be given to the priest. I don't think this is carried out in urban areas. It's a few years since I was at a month's mind mass so I only hope they stopped that dreadful practice.
littlecat wrote: » I pity the OP who asked a simple question! No priest will mind not being given a contribution after a christening - however I think that considering what will be spent on the outfits for various family members and for the function / caterer, it's nice to offer something to the only person present apart from the baby without whom the occasion would not be happening at all. €50 sounds about right I'd say but it really depends on the family's circumstances whether they increase or decrease that amount. A simple friendly thank you, a chat, and a show of appreciation might make his day, especially if he, like the majority, is an innocent hard-working man who has spent the rest of his day listening to how much the church is hated.
Yes Boss wrote: » From the wealthiest bank in the world - The Vatican!!
deravarra wrote: » Perhaps not in your eyes, but the "church" is registered as a charity in this country, and many more across the world. I'd be a bit worried about it losing its charitable status considering the comments made here - in blissful ignorance about the financial reality that faces every man of the cloth. In this day and age, 50 for christening isnt much - and afaik, not 100% goes to the priest ... the bulk of it goes towards the "stipend" fees - paid back to the diocese so they can pay the priests. where do you think they get the money to pay the priest in the first place?
Yes Boss wrote: » A charity is "a foundation created to promote the public good (not for assistance to any particular individuals)". The Church certainly does not fit that definition of what a charity should be!! A charity is "a kindly and lenient attitude towards people". They don't particularly fit that definition either!! A charity is "an activity or gift that benefits the public at large". Sorry, i just can't seem to put Church and Charity in the same sentence!!
deravarra wrote: » The "church" is a registered charity. In the case of wages, yes it must pay taxes - just like any registered charity.
Yes Boss wrote: » Do the Church pat tax on all that cash they collect?
Spacedog wrote: » How about a recept for a donation to the rape crisis center?
Yes Boss wrote: » Depending on ones opinion!!
dolliemix wrote: » Some of the opinions here are so immature. There is a lot of work that goes on behind the scenes ...upkeep and maintenace of Church itself, electricty etc Giving 20 euro/50 euro/ not giving at all is fine. It is voluntary and you won't be forced to pay anything. But bringing up the abuse cases to refer to every single service that Church offers and suggesting that they should be offering all their services for free or pay people for participating is crazy!
Yes Boss wrote: » I believe at this stage they should be paying you to bring your child to the church!! Ask them how much is your patronage worth to them!!!;)
deisemum wrote: » I've informed my sister that I will not be able to act as my godchild's sponsor at his confirmation in a couple of years.
