littlecat wrote: » I pity the OP who asked a simple question! No priest will mind not being given a contribution after a christening - however I think that considering what will be spent on the outfits for various family members and for the function / caterer, it's nice to offer something to the only person present apart from the baby without whom the occasion would not be happening at all. €50 sounds about right I'd say but it really depends on the family's circumstances whether they increase or decrease that amount. A simple friendly thank you, a chat, and a show of appreciation might make his day, especially if he, like the majority, is an innocent hard-working man who has spent the rest of his day listening to how much the church is hated.
deisemum wrote: » There are a lot of very wealthy priests and plenty of them have been left houses and other property by old wans or old lads who didn't have close family or even their own families. The only poor priests I've seen are those in the missions. Having married into a family that have priests and nuns in it and from having discussions with them as well as other priests that I have known over the years I know how well heeled a lot of them are. As for their declared income it's very like the taxi drivers who were all putting in the similiar low amounts a few years back. Every single one of the priests that I know take a number of holidays every years. That aside I do think people should offer something if they're having an occasion at the church. The one thing that I think is disgraceful is where it's a month's mind mass and the family of the recently deceased stand like beggars at the back of the church so that the congregation put money in a box that will then be given to the priest. I don't think this is carried out in urban areas. It's a few years since I was at a month's mind mass so I only hope they stopped that dreadful practice.
Yes Boss wrote: » That's it in a nutshell - They should all be audited!!
deravarra wrote: » I think this is very misleading. Im not sure how "well heeled" you think priests are, but it's nothing like you suggest! Diocesan priests get far below the minimum wage. How many people with a good few years of study would do that? and for the hours they do ... And as for holidays ... everyone is entitled to time off work - and priests are the same in this regard. As for the suggestion of a few holidays a year ... nonsensical! "plenty of them left houses" ... again, doubtful. I know plenty of priests - diocesan ones, and they depend on their families to subsidise them in their day to day living ... even down to groceries ... because they arent being paid enough. Did you know that in Waterford, they get paid once every three months? And from what I recall from a recent conversation with one of the priests down there, their salary is quite small. Dublin pays €29,000 per year - but Waterford would be about €17,000.
deisemum wrote: » My husband's uncle has been left property including property in Ballsbridge during the boom and he's not the only one. If as you claim their earnings are so low how come a lot of them can afford to go off to the Algarve/Florida etc for a few weeks holidays playing golf then come back and head off again shortly after and it's paid for out of their own pockets. I'd be delighted to earn €17,000 and have accommodation provided.
deisemum wrote: » The only poor priests I've seen are those in the missions.
dayshah wrote: » What about the Franciscans? Also, a lot of the Brothers in De La Salle are not well off. They donate most of their teaching salary.
spikadelica wrote: » Well don't we just love our religious orders, can't comment on nuns but have a very close relative who is a CBS brother .. he can claim two pensions having worked in both UK and ROI education system.. however all his income is given towards the running of the household that he and several other brothers are living in. The days of housekeepers and all the easy living is well gone for these old lads now.. and they are allocated pocket money on a needs must basis... if my relative left the order and did his own thing he would have close to 900 Euro /p/w nice work if you can get it.
spikadelica wrote: » You see there is a perception of wealth but the individual guys in these orders are not all that well off.. they get by but in comparison to other teachers from their generation they lag behind in terms of cash and respect.. !
15 And they come to Jerusalem: and Jesus went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves; 16 And would not suffer that any man should carry any vessel through the temple. 17 And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves. 18 And the scribes and chief priests heard it, and sought how they might destroy him: for they feared him, because all the people was astonished at his doctrine.
mozattack wrote: » Hi All, Christening for little son on Sunday and I don't know how much we 'have to' pay the priest. We are not regular church goers are anything and things are tight. I am hearing €100 but also heard €200... is it really that high* *(i know it is voluntary but there are certain expectations which we would probably have to honour) Thanks!!
merlante wrote: » Just dug up something I half remembered from the Bible, which may or may not be relevant to what I suspect are a la carte, lapsed catholics on here. So lads, a house of prayer, not a place where things, or services, are bought and sold. I could be wrong, but I would have thought the selling of sacraments went out around the time of counter reformation? For those of you who don't believe in god, and just use the church cynically as a 'period' location for weddings and baptisms, have some respect to the men and women who do believe, grow a backbone, and go elsewhere for your day out. If you're so much of a cretin that you are willing to lie to the priest's or bishop's face about your beliefs, and waste the man's time, and insult actual believers (if there any left), then I suppose you could leave a communion dresses worth of cash in a brown envelope in the sacristy. I know that little Fintan or Shamona might feel left out when the hypocritical parents of all of the other children cross the necessary t's and dot the i's, but look at it this way, you'll save money on dresses and tanning salons, and your kids won't grow up as morally bewildered as the rest.
mozattack wrote: » Hi all, I am the OP on this thread. I checked it Thursday and there were two responses, today there are over 80! WOW. In the end we gave €60. We were lucky as we were the only ones in attendance and €60 is fair enough. Priest was good - a little bit serious for my liking but who am I to judge? I know someone said earlier that they didn't like people worrying about how much they will pay the priest when they may later go an spend X amount on food for everyone. It is true but when you have 20 people there solely to see the child being baptised you do have to supply food and the only real way is to go somewhere (Oscars - see another thread for that) for food.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church states that "Baptism is necessary for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament."
The Catholic Church holds that non-Christians who seek God with a sincere heart and, moved by grace, try to do God's will as they know it through the dictates of conscience can also be saved without water baptism as they are said to desire it implicitly.[160] As for unbaptized infants, the Church is unsure of their fate; "the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God" (Catechism, 1261)
merlante wrote: » You're probably better off with a serious priest, it's really not the sort of thing you want to **** up.
Smiley Burnett wrote: » not all priests are paedophiles you know!!
Deise Tom wrote: » I might not agree with what you say on here alot of the times, but this is one time that i do. Alot of them are tarred and feathered because of a few bad apples.
snuggles09 wrote: » I cant even remember if I gave anything on my last daughter..i'm full sure i didnt..he's a priest..it's his job (sorry vocation).. does the money thats given go back into the church fund to pay for heat etc? is that why you pay the priest? or is it to give to him personally? never thought much about it but now you mention i'd be interested to know
Deise Tom wrote: » If the priest is not allowed to keep the money for himself, how do you think he will live. does he get petrol for his car etc for free. does the same apply when it comes to feeding himself. Have you ever heard what some priests get from the various collections for their pay.
dayshah wrote: » You mean like at the end of the Godfather, when the baptism leads to all the killings? (If my understanding of that film is correct)
mozattack wrote: » I know someone said earlier that they didn't like people worrying about how much they will pay the priest when they may later go an spend X amount on food for everyone. It is true but when you have 20 people there solely to see the child being baptised you do have to supply food and the only real way is to go somewhere (Oscars - see another thread for that) for food.
deravarra wrote: » The vast majority of these priests (the good ones) are paying for the crimes of the bishops who did nothing to protect the vulnerable
Deise Tom wrote: » Can i take it that you feel all the bishops are bad men, even the ones that were just preists when the abuse was going on.
