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M7 Motorway (general thread)

Amtmann

New M7 upgrade in the pipeline according to this: http://www.nra.ie/RoadSchemeActivity/KildareCountyCouncil/N7NaasNewbridgeBypassUpgrade/SchemeName,15698,en.html

It's become a cliche at this stage, but with three National routes/motorways converging on the M7 here, why wasn't this made three-lane from the get go?

Again, it shows why future-proofing big road projects is important.

I assume that this won't be an extremely painful project to construct, but who knows when it'll get the funding.

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The Word Is Bor

How can you say "the figures were not counted right"? The data is collected via Automatic Traffic Counters. It is not an error. It is a published figure. The fact that you dispute it becuase you happen to drive the road once a week does not give you the authority to reject the figure. Then again when you can count 1000 tractors using a road per day then you must be some sort of rainman. Traffic levels would appear to be down for the AADT's that were experienced in 2008 and in 2007.

Until the full data for 2009 is collated I'd suggest you stop thumping the keyboard with your head.

serfboard

The figure given is for February 2009 - not 2008. And it's viable to compare it with other February 2009 figures.

mysterious

The Word Is Bor wrote: »

How can you say "the figures were not counted right"? The data is collected via Automatic Traffic Counters. It is not an error. It is a published figure. The fact that you dispute it becuase you happen to drive the road once a week does not give you the authority to reject the figure. Then again when you can count 1000 tractors using a road per day then you must be some sort of rainman. Traffic levels would appear to be down for the AADT's that were experienced in 2008 and in 2007.

Until the full data for 2009 is collated I'd suggest you stop thumping the keyboard with your head.

Again I hate to be blunt and show that I'[m right YET AGAIN.

The automated counters don't always count it right. It can be down for a few days. Sometimes some months are left out. Sometimes they didnt record the H.G.v Traffic on it. The power could be down or whatever.

It could be any number of reasons.

For example they could make the road one lane for a few days and mean that the road counter is down. There could be diversion. Or it just could be an error.

It has happened before. Where the counter was down and towards the end of the yaar it was corrected.

The road is not down by 2,000 cars a day.

mysterious

[quote=The Word Is Bor;61168011 The fact that you dispute it becuase you happen to drive the road once a week does not give you the authority to reject the figure. Then again when you can count 1000 tractors using a road per day then you must be some sort of rainman. Traffic levels would appear to be down for the AADT's that were experienced in 2008 and in 2007.

Until the full data for 2009 is collated I'd suggest you stop thumping the keyboard with your head.[/quote]

No I just use common sense.

You should do that same.:rolleyes:

KevR

mysterious wrote: »

Again I hate to be blunt and show that I'[m right YET AGAIN.

The automated counters don't always count it right. It can be down for a few days. Sometimes some months are left out. Sometimes they didnt record the H.G.v Traffic on it. The power could be down or whatever.

It could be any number of reasons.

For example they could make the road one lane for a few days and mean that the road counter is down. There could be diversion. Or it just could be an error.

It has happened before. Where the counter was down and towards the end of the yaar it was corrected.

The road is not down by 2,000 cars a day.

Could the same not be said for all the other traffic counters?

You can't assume the N7 counters were counting wrong (less than what they were supposed to) and then assume all other counters were counting exactly right when you're making statements like the N7 is one of the busiest roads in the state.

You can't bump the figures for one road because you feel like and not bump figures for other roads. Let's get real, let's cut the bull. What's this sexual attraction to high AADTs on the N7 West of Portlaoise?

Zoney

KevR: the NRA traffic counter pages actually show where there is data missing, and there sometimes is, sufficiently so to cast the figures in doubt. Also there is both an AADT from just the recorded figures, and an estimate based on expanding the incomplete recorded figures to the whole year.

KevR

Fair enough but I doubt that applies to just the N7.

As serfboard said - it's viable to compare February 2009 figures for the roads.

mysterious

KevR wrote: »

Could the same not be said for all the other traffic counters?

You can't assume the N7 counters were counting wrong (less than what they were supposed to) and then assume all other counters were counting exactly right when you're making statements like the N7 is one of the busiest roads in the state.

You can't bump the figures for one road because you feel like and not bump figures for other roads. Let's get real, let's cut the bull. What's this sexual attraction to high AADTs on the N7 West of Portlaoise?

:rolleyes:

mysterious

KevR wrote: »

Fair enough but I doubt that applies to just the N7.

As serfboard said - it's viable to compare February 2009 figures for the roads.

No its not.

Its not accurate

A road doesnt drop by 2,000 in one month.

If you understood logic and common sense, it might be a great help to you.

ardmacha

A road doesnt drop by 2,000 in one month

You are quoting an annual figure. Firstly traffic may have dropped, we are in the mother of all recessions and early 2009 is quite different from early 2008. Secondly most roads are somewhat busier in the summer, the N7 west of Portlaoise has a figure of 17250, but this is still less than the N8 south of Portlaoise at 17473. Over the year the N7 is still a bit less than the N8.

mysterious

ardmacha wrote: »

You are quoting an annual figure. Firstly traffic may have dropped, we are in the mother of all recessions and early 2009 is quite different from early 2008. Secondly most roads are somewhat busier in the summer, the N7 west of Portlaoise has a figure of 17250, but this is still less than the N8 south of Portlaoise at 17473. Over the year the N7 is still a bit less than the N8.

The N7 went up 17265 last year.
N8 south south of Portaoise 17152

So you can pick and choose facts out like this to make any argument.

THE FACT IS.
The N7/N8 are the busiest long distance roads in the country. At Portloise its busiest.

These counters have significantly less commuter traffic than the
Rathduff
Cratloe
Athlone Counters etc. These are near cities and commuting routes.

Tech3

Some pics of the existing M7 SRR phase 1

Tie in with the N7 tunnel, wearing course down and some lining done

Chris_533976

Next time take a little detour

That looks wide open for a bit of a photo-drive.

Amtmann

Anyone know anything more about this?

See also: http://kildare.ie/CountyCouncil/NationalRoadsDesignOffice/M7OsberstownInterchangeMotorwayScheme2008/

The Word Is Bor

That is Millenium Park. It was sold in the last year or so by one of the Anglo 10 for something in the region of 400 million yo-yo's.

fresca

Scheme refused planning permission by An Bord Pleanala.
See: http://www.pleanala.ie/casenum/MA0005.htm

In deciding not to accept the Inspector’s recommendation to approve the
motorway scheme, the Board was of the view that the Inspector’s assessment did
not give sufficient consideration to the relationship between the proposed
interchange and the proposed R407 Sallins By-pass as expressed in the
environmental impact statement and various statutory plans, and the Board could
not accept the line of the R407 Sallins By-pass as having been determined
separately from the proposed motorway interchange. The Board, therefore,
decided that the planning of the proposed interchange and of the R407 Sallins Bypass
should be undertaken together in a comprehensive manner, even if the
projects are to be implemented at different times in the future.

Taken from the An Bord Pleanala order (dma0005.pdf)

Furet wrote: »

Anyone know anything more about this?

See also: http://kildare.ie/CountyCouncil/NationalRoadsDesignOffice/M7OsberstownInterchangeMotorwayScheme2008/

Amtmann

Report from post-bypass Moasterevin: http://www.rte.ie/news/morningireland/player.html?20100603,2764928,2764929,real,209

ClareVisitor

Hi all,

As someone who drives from the UK to Clare on holiday a couple of times a year, this motorway is a godsend. Even the completed parts have taken a good bit off the journey time and when it's all finished it will be brilliant.

I know there is another thread about it, but driving it a couple of weeks ago the lay-bys seemed weird to me, dangerous things to have on motorways!

tinkerbell

My dad drove up the new M7 part (the tolled part) during the week and was disgusted with how poor the road surface was as well. It's shocking actually how bad it is considering it's a brand new road. I drove it on the Saturday after it opened and thought it was so bumpy then as well.

gryff

ClareVisitor wrote: »

Hi all,

As someone who drives from the UK to Clare on holiday a couple of times a year, this motorway is a godsend. Even the completed parts have taken a good bit off the journey time and when it's all finished it will be brilliant.

I know there is another thread about it, but driving it a couple of weeks ago the lay-bys seemed weird to me, dangerous things to have on motorways!

Wont it be sweet by Oct/Nov you can drive on motorway from Dublin to Limerick - zip through the Shannon tunnel ( slowing to throw 1.80e into the chute) and on to Ennis all in jig time... I drove to Ennistymon today..no problem until after Ennis... then 40mph all the way behind a truck..

ClareVisitor

Well the next time I'll be over will be Christmas so it will hopefully all be oopen by then. The last bit from Ennis to Kildysart could be the same as yours to Ennistymon though!

Mc Love

Drove it today Dub to Limerick and the road surface is shockingly bumpy - rush job perhaps?

Amtmann

Looks like the M7 Kildare and Monasterevin bypasses are in the process of being re-signed at the moment.

L1011

Furet wrote: »

Looks like the M7 Kildare and Monasterevin bypasses are in the process of being re-signed at the moment.

Its all the M7 in Co. Kildare other than the Naas BP and stub of Newbridge to the M9 (this was resigned with the Naas BP resurfacing/resigning).

So partial Newbridge, Kildare and partial Monasterevin bypasses (and the Curragh DC if you want ultra pedantry!)

Amtmann

MYOB wrote: »

Its all the M7 in Co. Kildare other than the Naas BP and stub of Newbridge to the M9 (this was resigned with the Naas BP resurfacing/resigning).

So partial Newbridge, Kildare and partial Monasterevin bypasses (and the Curragh DC if you want ultra pedantry!)

Do you know if cantilevers are going to be installed? The M7 to Monasterevin was chocabloc this evening. I suspect the main reason was people not driving on in the overtaking lane. Also, some fecking tractors on the M8 today. I could scream when I see that :mad:

Jayuu

Furet wrote: »

Do you know if cantilevers are going to be installed? The M7 to Monasterevin was chocabloc this evening. I suspect the main reason was people not driving on in the overtaking lane. Also, some fecking tractors on the M8 today. I could scream when I see that :mad:

This is ridiculous.

I would urge anybody who comes across a tractor on any motorway to see if they can get a licence number and then report it to the Gardaí (and/or the NRA). The longer people get away with this sort of behaviour the worse it will become.

Everybody knows the rules about what is allowed on a motorway and even if some idiot doesn't, well ignorance is no defence.

Amtmann

Jayuu wrote: »

This is ridiculous.

I would urge anybody who comes across a tractor on any motorway to see if they can get a licence number and then report it to the Gardaí (and/or the NRA). The longer people get away with this sort of behaviour the worse it will become.

Everybody knows the rules about what is allowed on a motorway and even if some idiot doesn't, well ignorance is no defence.

Have started a thread on it here.

sonyair

Furet wrote: »

Have started a thread on it here.

and rightly so

have seen even a man and 3 dogs on leads walking against the traffic on the m20 heading to the rossbrien interchange, this was before it was fully opened, if those dogs had broken away and ran accross the motorway and on to the other side, god would want to be with the people trying to avoid them - multiple pile up anyone

Amtmann

Is the eastbound offramp sliproad at junction 28 always backed up in the morning or will this problem cease once the Limerick to Birdhill section opens?

Amtmann

Does anyone have any information on or knowledge about the one section of M7 that will never be built, namely the idea to run a new section of M7 from Naas to the M50 on a totally new alignment? I know it will never happen, but in terms of the plan, how far did it get and when was it dropped in favour of widening the existing Naas road?