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TV's with MPEG4 DTT decoder

jpogorman

Hello,

I'm new to a lot of the issues around DTT and am in the market for a new television. I was just wondering is there are any TV's out there that have MPEG4 decoders build into them so I would not have to get a seperate decoder when DTT goes fully live. Could anyone recommend a TV that they know has this decoder?

I was thinking of getting this TV but am nearly sure it does not support MPEG4...
http://www.komplett.ie/k/ki.aspx?sku=348230&view=detailed#ProductTabs

Thanks,
JP

MODEDIT: STB has made a more recent list (19 Jan 09) of MPEG4 TV's here in this thread:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=58664909&postcount=101

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Fr0g

Sam Russell wrote: »

It has a MPEG4 DVB-T2 tuner, so it will pick up FREEVIEW HD, and should pickup the current tests from the republic. It is unlikely it will not work with the full service after launch, but who knows.

DVB-T2 is backwards compatible with DVB-T so would a "Freeview HD" set not cover all bases including future proofing if Irish DTT were ever to go DVB-T2 in the future?

Or is there something else I am missing

The Cush

kah22 wrote: »

Here are some of the vital stats for the Sony Bravia KDL32EX403U.
can anyone tell me if this telly will receive DTT from the Republic? I'm living in the North but currently get a powerful digital signal from my old telly hooked up to a Segam Picnic Box - but o-boy does that box play up :mad:

That model is also in the Sony Ireland range and so should work without problem. Its also freeview HD (DVB-T2) compatible so you should be future proofed for the launch of freeview HD in NI in approx 2 years time.

Many other DVB-T2 models are also in the Irish range of Sony TVs, any model no. ending in 3, e.g. KDL-40LX903, KDL-40NX803.

Sam Russell

kah22 wrote: »

Here are some of the vital stats for the Sony Bravia KDL32EX403U.
can anyone tell me if this telly will receive DTT from the Republic?

It has a MPEG4 DVB-T2 tuner, so it will pick up FREEVIEW HD, and should pickup the current tests from the republic. It is unlikely it will not work with the full service after launch, but who knows.

FREETV

kah22 wrote: »

Here are some of the vital stats for the Sony Bravia KDL32EX403U.
can anyone tell me if this telly will receive DTT from the Republic? I'm living in the North but currently get a powerful digital signal from my old telly hooked up to a Segam Picnic Box - but o-boy does that box play up :mad:

It will pick up digital text from Freeview, but do you know if it will pick up digital text from the Republics DTT.

3D Ready No
Audio quality S-Force Front Surround, Dolby Digital Plus
AV inputs Rear - 2 HDMI on side
Digital tuner Freeview HD
DLNA Yes
Frame rate 50Hz
Freesat built in No
Freeview HD built in Yes
Full HD 1080p Yes
FREE 5 year guarantee
HD ReadyAbility to display high-definition pictures when connected to an HD compatible device Yes
HDMI inputs 4
LED backlighting No
Memory card slot No
Model name / number KDL32EX403U
SCART sockets 2
Screen resolution 1920 x 1080p
Screen size 32"
Speaker output (RMS) 20W
Table Top Stand Included
USB ports 1
Visible screen size (measured diagonally) 81cm
Web enabled Yes

There is a solution towards the end of the Sagem Picnic Box power thread for the box. It pixelates or breaks up frequently. We need to earth our Sagem boxes to stop the freezing. Your tv should work for Irish digital text when the digital text is being broadcast.

Sam Russell

martian1980 wrote: »

Is this true of all tvs with freeview, freesat and (kinda) MPEG4, like the sony 32W5810? If so, is there a huge difference between FTA Sat and FreesatHD?

Freesat is a UK-only system set up by the BBC and other UK based broadcasters to give UK viewers UK television from a satellite with 7 days epg without subscription. You have to set the country to GB and enter a UK postcode so it gives you your local TV region. If the TV is set to a country other than GB, it defaults to FTA and gives only NOW and NEXT in the EPG. The only real difference between the two is the EPG and the inability to reorder the program buttons with Freesat, but you can have a favourites list. Freesat does not include all FTA programmes, like $kynews, and these cannot be added within Freesat. Freesat allows the 'RED BUTTON' features. Or at least some of them. You can switch out of Freesat to FTA, but it is a bit clunky. I never bother, and I do not miss $kynews.

If RTE use features within the SAORview spec that are in confict with the UK country setting, then they will be excluded if you set the country to GB. It is unlikely that this will be a problem.

Freeview is simillar with set programme numbers. Freeview HD requires a DVB-T2 set, and if it does not say it on the box, it is not in the box.

I hope that clarifies it a bit.

kah22

Here are some of the vital stats for the Sony Bravia KDL32EX403U.
can anyone tell me if this telly will receive DTT from the Republic? I'm living in the North but currently get a powerful digital signal from my old telly hooked up to a Segam Picnic Box - but o-boy does that box play up :mad:

It will pick up digital text from Freeview, but do you know if it will pick up digital text from the Republics DTT.

3D Ready No
Audio quality S-Force Front Surround, Dolby Digital Plus
AV inputs Rear - 2 HDMI on side
Digital tuner Freeview HD
DLNA Yes
Frame rate 50Hz
Freesat built in No
Freeview HD built in Yes
Full HD 1080p Yes
FREE 5 year guarantee
HD ReadyAbility to display high-definition pictures when connected to an HD compatible device Yes
HDMI inputs 4
LED backlighting No
Memory card slot No
Model name / number KDL32EX403U
SCART sockets 2
Screen resolution 1920 x 1080p
Screen size 32"
Speaker output (RMS) 20W
Table Top Stand Included
USB ports 1
Visible screen size (measured diagonally) 81cm
Web enabled Yes

peking97

Machinehead wrote: »

Just spoke to a Panasonic retailer who says that the Panasonic TX-P42G20 connot pick up Irish DTT as it only has an MPEG2 freeview tuner for UK & connot decode the Irish "saorview" MPEG4.

A colleague of mine just bought the TX-P46G20B from Watters Electrical in Culloville and I can confirm Freesat HD, Irish DTT and MHEG-5 teletext all working fine. HTH

FREETV

mollser wrote: »

Just adding this to the list...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-SM2333HD-1080p-Monitor-Digital/dp/B001PN68HU

Bought this baby in Curry's for €269. I think I set it to UK settings for the auto set up, and not only did it sort the Irish DTT chanels on 100 to 106, but then followed another 40 or so of the Freeview UK channels (including radio) from the Presely transmitter (I assume - by the beach in Castletown, North Wexford).

Really didn't expect the UK tv channels to be picked up so well, especially after having a free to air satellite installed a week previously - doh!

Hopefully it'll pick up the Freeview HD channels as well - would be nice!

Glad to hear that you have both options available to you, sure the more channels you have the better! I bet that it is a nice feeling and surprising alright for you to be able to pick up "out of territory broadcasts" completely free

It's a nice little set, I wish you many years of happy tv viewing with the Samsung, I own a two year old Samsung plasma myself and never had any problems yet with it, a reliable brand.

FREETV

martian1980 wrote: »

Is this true of all tvs with freeview, freesat and (kinda) MPEG4, like the sony 32W5810? If so, is there a huge difference between FTA Sat and FreesatHD?

Freesat has a full EPG guide of up to 8 days in advance and has red button interactive services. The channels that haven't joined Freesat yet have to be added manually and don't have the full EPG like FTA Sat, only now and next. HD on the Beeb, ITV, Luxe aren't true full hd, only 1440X1080i but still higher resolution than Freeview HD for example. The full EPG IS VERY CONVENIENT, no need for tv guide magazines or looking it up on the net, all in one place.

For the older MPEG4 DVB T1 technology, the tv sets which are for the Irish market, i.e. the present dtt tests, as far as I know the settings functions when Ireland is selected all work fine for both.

mollser

Just adding this to the list...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-SM2333HD-1080p-Monitor-Digital/dp/B001PN68HU

Bought this baby in Curry's for €269. I think I set it to UK settings for the auto set up, and not only did it sort the Irish DTT chanels on 100 to 106, but then followed another 40 or so of the Freeview UK channels (including radio) from the Presely transmitter (I assume - by the beach in Castletown, North Wexford).

Really didn't expect the UK tv channels to be picked up so well, especially after having a free to air satellite installed a week previously - doh!

Hopefully it'll pick up the Freeview HD channels as well - would be nice!

martian1980

Sam Russell wrote: »

If RTENL do go with DVB-T2, you will need a STB, but as has been said, the T2 was a typo. So presumably DVB T is OK, and if it does not say Freeview HD, it can be assumed it is not T2.

If you want to get Freesat, you have to set your TV country to GB, otherwise you will get FTA Sat. If you set your TV to GB, then any specific SAORview settings will be lost, as they will only come into play if the country is Ireland.

If you need SAORview you cannot get FREESAT.

Is this true of all tvs with freeview, freesat and (kinda) MPEG4, like the sony 32W5810? If so, is there a huge difference between FTA Sat and FreesatHD?

Sam Russell

Machinehead wrote: »

Thank you for clarifying the MPEG/MHEG issue . Once again regarding the specs for the Panasonic D25 http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=66220487&postcount=1724, can you have a look to acertain if this tv will be able to access the digital txt to which MHEG5 refers.

If RTENL do go with DVB-T2, you will need a STB, but as has been said, the T2 was a typo. So presumably DVB T is OK, and if it does not say Freeview HD, it can be assumed it is not T2.

If you want to get Freesat, you have to set your TV country to GB, otherwise you will get FTA Sat. If you set your TV to GB, then any specific SAORview settings will be lost, as they will only come into play if the country is Ireland.

If you need SAORview you cannot get FREESAT.

Mr McBoatface

Machinehead wrote: »

Thank you for clarifying the MPEG/MHEG issue . Once again regarding the specs for the Panasonic D25 http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=66220487&postcount=1724, can you have a look to acertain if this tv will be able to access the digital txt to which MHEG5 refers.

It should be fine for viewing but without the Saorview logo I couldn't say it will work 100% on all features like text or red button functions. No Logo = a risk you'd have to weigh up yourself.

It's UK free-sat HD and free-view compatible - http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-tx-l42d25-tx-l42d25b-20100430437.htm. MHEG5 is used in UK free-view and free-sat.

Mr McBoatface

The Cush wrote: »

There is no such standard as MPEG-5, what you are referring to is MHEG-5 the standard for digital text on DTT in this country and digital text and epg on freeview and freesat in the UK. It may also be used in the future for other interactive features.

Thanks, That's what I meant and I was referring to that in my response. I didn't pick up on the typo - I'm looking at the screen to much today and I've got square eyes

Machinehead

Thank you for clarifying the MPEG/MHEG issue

. Once again regarding the specs for the Panasonic D25 http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=66220487&postcount=1724, can you have a look to acertain if this tv will be able to access the digital txt to which MHEG5 refers.

The Cush

Machinehead wrote: »

Question is MPEG5=DVB-T2 or is this some other standard?

jobyrne30 wrote: »

Mpeg5 is a separate standard that can be used on either DVB-T or T2

There is no such standard as MPEG-5, what you are referring to is MHEG-5 the standard for digital text on DTT in this country and digital text and epg on freeview and freesat in the UK. It may also be used in the future for other interactive features.

[Deleted User]

FREETV wrote: »

I have UPC digital select here and I am strongly thinking of cancelling it a month after the twelve month contract is finished. I rarely watch it as I have HD and SD fta satellite and there are only a handful or so of half decent channels with the digital select pack worth watching, the rest are rubbish or can be watched with my sat receivers or a small amplified indoor aerial with the SD Sagem Picnic box for Irish DTT tests. Bit of a rip off UPC in my opinion but had no other option when we first moved in and rented this house.

Same as. I live right beside the Dublin-Sligo railway line and my view to the south is blocked by the embankment. So no satellite for me.

Mr McBoatface

It looks good for Irish DTT and free to air Sat , I think there is a thread here about them or very simular http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055828572.

Machinehead

Thanks again. Would you mind looking at the spec sheet of this set below & let me know how I will be fixed. My brain is gone to mush from looking at spec sheets of tv's over the past few weeks. I like this one cause of the DTT & FTA DVB-S-HD
http://www.panasonic.co.uk/html/en_GB/Products/VIERA+Flat+Screen+Televisions/VIERA+Flat+Screen+TV+%28Ireland%29/TX-L42D25L/Specification/4723193/index.html?trackInfo=true

Mr McBoatface

Mpeg5 is a separate standard that can be used on either DVB-T or T2

I asked aquestion about DVB-t and DVB-t2 earlier and got this reponse , it be of might help you.

Sam Russel wrote -
"The T1 and T2 are the encoding of the mux, so that error correction and sync signals are embedded. T2 is a more elaborate version of T1, and is a superset of T1. The mux is either encoded using T1 or T2.

The multiplexed signals are each separately encoded to compress the data, using either MPEG 4 or MPEG 2. The data compression is a separate level.

The HD/SD is to do with the data itself, and can be transmitted in T1 or T2, and MPEG 2 or MPEG 4. It is possible to have SD MPEG 4 T2 transmission, or HD MPEG 2 T1.

Benefits of T2 over T1 is greater bitrates. The benefit of MPEG 4 over MPEG 2 is greater compression, and HD gives higher definition."

From that I take it DVB-T (MPEG4-AVC [H.264]) is not = DVB-T2 , MPEG4-AVC [H.264] is just a data compression standard

hope that helps

Machinehead

Thanks for your response. Looks like I'm ok for that one so, although on the rtenl site the specs for the set top box include:
To conform to the minimum receiver specification the IRD shall be compliant with the following standards:
1) NorDig 2.0 Basic Profile @ High Definition Level
2) MHEG-5 UK Profile, version 1.06
3) Additions and clarifications as set out in this document.
Question is MPEG5=DVB-T2 or is this some other standard?

Mr McBoatface

Machinehead wrote: »

I notice that RTÉ state that DVB-T2 will be required in the "Saorview" boxes. I hope to by the panasonic D25, gives the following spec ~ PAL -B/G/H, -I, -D/K: SECAM -B/G, -D/K, L/L'; DVB-T, DVB-T (MPEG4-AVC [H.264]), DVB-S/S2 (MPEG4-AVC [H.264]).
Is DVB-T (MPEG4-AVC [H.264]) = DVB-T2? I need to know asap!

DVB-T2 was a typo in that press release, Saorview is staying as DVB-T/Mpeg 4
- http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=66220487&postcount=1724

Bob_Harris

Reg'stoy wrote: »

Can confirm that a LG 32LH2000 tv is able to recieve all Irish DTT and is displaying the second test card channel No6 in HD 1080i. Currently getting all six tv and ten radio channels.

The EPG is displaying programs 6 days in advance and interestingly prompts you to record a program (no doubt for higher spec tv's).

The record functionality is designed to work with an external VCR. If you set a program to record on the TV, it will change to that channel at the appropriate time. You have to also set the timer on your VCR to do the actual recording.

That TV can play Movies, music and photos from the USB port if you change certain settings in the service menu (depending on what firmware version you have)

Machinehead

I notice that RTÉ state that DVB-T2 will be required in the "Saorview" boxes. I hope to by the panasonic D25, gives the following spec ~ PAL -B/G/H, -I, -D/K: SECAM -B/G, -D/K, L/L'; DVB-T, DVB-T (MPEG4-AVC [H.264]), DVB-S/S2 (MPEG4-AVC [H.264]).
Is DVB-T (MPEG4-AVC [H.264]) = DVB-T2? I need to know asap!

BostonB

Reg'stoy wrote: »

...

The EPG is displaying programs 6 days in advance and interestingly prompts you to record a program (no doubt for higher spec tv's).

Some TV's can play DivX's and AVI's, Photos from a USB drive. Maybe they can record on to them aswell. That would be so handy.

SteM

Reg'stoy wrote: »

Can confirm that a LG 32LH2000 tv is able to recieve all Irish DTT and is displaying the second test card channel No6 in HD 1080i. Currently getting all six tv and ten radio channels.

The EPG is displaying programs 6 days in advance and interestingly prompts you to record a program (no doubt for higher spec tv's).

I picked one of these up from Pixmania for the parents last week. Couldn't believe the quality of the DTT picture from an indoor powered aerial. They're delighted with it alongside freesat. Would be nice if RTE used the HD test channel to broadcast the world cup in HD as a test.

When I set it up for them there was no EPG data though - matbe it takes time to come through? I was only there for 30 minutes or so.

Reg'stoy

Can confirm that a LG 32LH2000 tv is able to recieve all Irish DTT and is displaying the second test card channel No6 in HD 1080i. Currently getting all six tv and ten radio channels.

The EPG is displaying programs 6 days in advance and interestingly prompts you to record a program (no doubt for higher spec tv's).

kah22

championc wrote: »

From the Specs

TV system Analogue: Depending on your country/area selection: B/G/H, D/K, L, I
Digital: DVB-T/DVB-C
Satellite: DVB-S/DVB-S2

Colour/video system Analogue: PAL, PAL60 (only video input), SECAM, NTSC3.58, NTSC4.43 (only video input)
Digital: MPEG-2 MP@ML/HL, H.264/MPEG-4 AVC MP/HP@L4

Can anyone confirm if this Sony set could also do Freeview HD or not ? Since it does Freesat HD, and I'd see myself only buying a new set every 10 years or so, I want to try and future proof myself in as much as possible (since I have an Aerial on my roof and use Divis

I'm in the same boat as yourself championc, I'm holding back on replacing until there are a reasonable range of Freeview HD televisions available and at a reasonable price.

With new ones begining to hit the market this shouldn't be to long. (That's one benefit the World Cup might bring). With Freeview HD built in I also hope to be able to pick up the digital signal from the Republic without any additional boxes. I'm not stuck on any particular manufacturer but Pansonic would be my manufacturer of choice.

You may like to take a look at the John Lewis site, they have a pretty good selection of Freeview HD televisions, it gives you an idea of what is available and if you do decide to buy they deliver to the North and there is that five year guarantee which I find pretty tempting.

Kevin

d8player

Machinehead wrote: »

Just spoke to a Panasonic retailer who says that the Panasonic TX-P42G20 connot pick up Irish DTT as it only has an MPEG2 freeview tuner for UK & connot decode the Irish "saorview" MPEG4.

I have this TV and last time I checked I was able to pick up the Irish DTT signal no problem. From the Pana website

***Notice for DVB functions: / This TV is designed to meet the standards (current as of August, 2009) of DVB-T/C/S/S2 (MPEG2 and MPEG4-AVC [H.264]) services.

Souriau

martian1980 wrote: »

My only concern would be that until digital is officially launched, I have no guarantee of a digital rte signal and I'd watch a fair bit of RTE1 and 2

OK, fair enough.