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Tactical v Regular

shawpower

Guys, I'm thinking of swapping over to the Tactical button layout on the XBox. I've tried it once or twice for a game or two, but never spent long enough at it to get fully used to it. The advantages of better control and ability to drop shot do seem to outweigh the quicker knifing ability, but this is the first FPS game I've played online, and I'm used to Regular layout at this stage. Is it really worth changing? And how long did it take others to get used to the swap?

I also thought a vote would be handy to show the the split between those that use it and those that don't.

Any other opinions welcome.

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krudler

Cossax wrote: »

Sounds like one big whinge to me.
How do you know what the game designers intended? Even if you did know, what makes what the designers intended the only way the game should be played?

Ah come off it, same effect as falling from a height? Time to introduce real world physics eh? Maybe you shouldn't respawn when you die either and your healthy shouldn't regenerate.

Ha yeah, I'm pretty sure shooting someone square in the chest at point blank range is going to outweigh anything they might have planned to do while slashing at you with a knife, but thats MW2:D

hightower1

Cossax wrote: »

Sounds like one big whinge to me.
How do you know what the game designers intended

In regards to fall physics they intended to fall from x height to hurt you and z height to not so in that aspect they intended the avatar falls and manipulation to be realistic to a basic degree. Taking that into account I am sure they didnt count on the utter cowardice of drop shotting, if they had expected it I am sure they'd have listed that into the avatar fall physics too. I guess they actually figured people would play it the way it was mean to be and not be trying desperately to scrimp a few measly stats from what can only be described as sh**y a**e tactics.

Kev_ps3

hightower1 wrote: »

I was making the comparison between drop shotters and bunny hopping in other online shooters like counterstrike, both take full advantage of a severely broken in game mechanic to up a kill ratio nothing more, I'm stand there and anyone implying or doing so would be thick beyond normal belief but if you were in a genuine firefight would you lay on the ground ? No you'd run and gun, imho drop shotting is no better than boosting its a cowards way of playing with a main focus on only increasing stats and makes the game less enjoyable. Same grenade launcher + noob tube + oma.... taking advantage of a broken in game mechanic simply to get stats up.
By no stretch of the imagination is modern warfare a realistic game but its certainly not helped by stat hunters using broken game physics by running up to people, jumping in the air and landing on their stomachs to get kills, in fact if you do this in the game.... try it right now and see how ridiculous it is.

In regards to people saying "oh would you like them to stand still for the kill".... how dense is that? So by that logic the only defense in cqc or any firefight is a noobish drop shot? No running in the game no? no sidestepping? no cover? no sprinting? no offensive tactics? no defensive weapons or grenades no? Get a clue.

Drop shotting is a noobs tactic taking advantage of broken in game physics for easy kills.

I find this ironic. I played with default on cod4 for 2 years and on mw2 up to about a month ago. Switched to tactical because nearly all the top players use it. Have to say its much better then default and im still leaning to use it.

Tallon

hightower1 wrote: »

Drop shotting is a noobs tactic taking advantage of broken in game physics for easy kills.

This is honestly one of the most retarded things I've read on here.....

It is purposely put into FPS games to give better gamers the advantage, it's not broken physics, it's the reason Tactical is set as an option!

You might as well say that knifing is for noobs since it's a First person Shooter and you should only be using bullets!

If you want to talk physics, check out Commando Pro and OMA

shawpower

hightower1 wrote: »

some people thought "oh this is a great way to get easy kills ... i'll use this loophole.....

Its a noob thing to do with the guise of it taking skill when clearly it does not,

like people camping in the game,

Okay, I'm sorry. That is just wrong. If it were so easy to do, why don't you see everyone doing it? If it were as easy as camping, you'd see 50% of players doing it all the time. You don't.

Why? Because it does take a bit more effort to do than Camp/Commando/NoobToob etc etc. It means learning about the game, and changing your gamestyle.

Ironically, lots of people complained that they should have set the Tactical layout as default, as a means to combat the Commando perk. Why? Because the Commando perk is seen as a bad thing, while Drop Shotting isn't.

raze

Guys who drop shot leave their heads front and centre which is a big liability - they greatly limit their strafing movement in trade-off for consistent aim in all stances meaning they better get a kill or they're not getting up - and anyone at any time can set their control system to do this, so it can be an advantage, but it's a fair one.

Anyway, you wouldn't drop shot in all kills and it doesn't make kills any easier it just capitalises on the other guy's poor reactions so he doesn't kill you first, so it's just one more move to play the game with.

x43r0

I made the switch to tactical last week and once I got used to it (a few hours of playing time) I started to destroy my friends in games.

Our skill levels are fairly similar in that when we play over the course of 3-4 hours, we would usually win roughly the same amount of games.

Since I went tactical I havn't lost a game and have dominated them. They simply can't handle the drop.

Saying that they will prob adjust to this after a while and i'll need a new trick :rolleyes:

Jev/N

Have went tactical permanently in the last few weeks and defo won't go back.

Pulled out WaW last night for a few games and had to change both my layout and sensitivity settings - have defo gotten better!

The Shtig

Tactical is a great set up and it just doesn't mean it only benefits you from drop shotting. If you need to reload its great to fall prone to the ground to protect yourself just incase a enemy comes around the corner and it is very little hassle to do with tactical.

I do use it to drop shot but the only time i drop shot is when i come 1v1 with someone. I pretty much with replaced it with knifing since i'm usually not fast enough to hit the circle button opposed to someone using the default set up.

I've never saw anyone drop shot me from the otherside of the map its only when you bump into someone and they still aren't guaranteed to get you if you hip fire them.

krudler

Only use tactical myself now, and I dropshot when I need to, people can whinge all they want but its better than running headfirst into someone and having said head blown off

shawpower

Interesting. Since this thread started and voting began, two people have posted here about how they've changed to Tactical and wouldn't change.

I've just prestiged again and am now thinking that I dedicate my climb up the rankings this time to learning this technique....

krudler

hightower1 wrote: »

No, sidestepping is a perfectly normal tactic to use in ANY game... hell even in real life, jumping then landing flat on your stomach is idiotic in both accounts.
If you loose health and get stunned from falling from a height in the game doing a drop shot should do the same effect, try a real drop shot right now and see if your not seriously messed up after it. the game designers never intended for the jump and laying down actions to be used in this way if they had it would encour the same effect as falling from a height in the game just some people thought "oh this is a great way to get easy kills ... i'll use this loophole" its no better than the people using launcher and oma .... "oh this is a great way to get easy kills... i'll use this loophole". Its a noob thing to do with the guise of it taking skill when clearly it does not, like people camping in the game, there is no game mechanic stopping this but yet its not on to do cause it ruins the game for "normal" players who actually like playing the game as its meant to be played.

I only noticed what you meant by this and dropshotting, do you mean when you actualy hit the jump button then when in mid aid click the prone stick and fall flat? thats not what people are talking about by dropshotting, when I do I just go prone as Im running, I dont jump first,its like what actual soldiers do, just lay down flat as quick as possible and get a shot off, not dive over a a stairs and land on their stomachs. That thing were people jump as soon as they see you so they're out of your crosshairs is a bit noobish, dropshotting isnt.

Tallon

i don't know why he's giving out, Ronaldo does drop shots in real life all the time!

SirLemonhead

Insta-proning is pretty lame, flopping about like a fish the second you see someone. I've never seen anyone get any advantage out of it, always kill them pretty easily.

Harder to hit while strafing..

Creasy_bear

SirLemonhead wrote: »

Insta-proning is pretty lame, flopping about like a fish the second you see someone. I've never seen anyone get any advantage out of it, always kill them pretty easily.

Harder to hit while strafing..

you should watch some of seananners vids ........host + drop shot = impossible to kill

Cossax

Trying Tactical again, helped me survive quite a few close in battles but I find myself pressing it when I don't mean to in firefights at times and losing out on a kill because I end up shooting at the ground (if in a dip etc.).

krudler

Cossax wrote: »

Trying Tactical again, helped me survive quite a few close in battles but I find myself pressing it when I don't mean to in firefights at times and losing out on a kill because I end up shooting at the ground (if in a dip etc.).

There is a bit of skill involved in drop shotting when someone is on a higher level than you, clicking down the stick while slightly pushing it up/down is tricky.

Creasy_bear

krudler wrote: »

There is a bit of skill involved in drop shotting when someone is on a higher level than you, clicking down the stick while slightly pushing it up/down is tricky.

I'm doing it for the past 3/4 days and I have to say I'm loving it , brings something new to the game . My problem is alot of the time I just crouch rather than go prone

Do you really have to press down hard or change the sensitivity levels maybe ?

krudler

Creasy_bear wrote: »

I'm doing it for the past 3/4 days and I have to say I'm loving it , brings something new to the game . My problem is alot of the time I just crouch rather than go prone

Do you really have to press down hard or change the sensitivity levels maybe ?

I mash it down and hold it for a second, try it in a private match with just yourself for a bit of practice,click down the stick and hold,click again to pop up. I dropshotted and quickscoped a guy the other night, that felt great

TiGeR KiNgS

The drop shot is one of the most important aspects for me. Tac setup is a necessity. Took a while to get used too, but damn am I a better player for it.

Noobs don't know what hit them.

krudler

TiGeR KiNgS wrote: »

The drop shot is one of the most important aspects for me. Tac setup is a necessity. Took a while to get used too, but damn am I a better player for it.

Noobs don't know what hit them.

Definitely, once you get better at the game and dont rely on speed/knife kills as much its essential. I witched like a bastard when I was starting out, no time for that sh1t now

shawpower

krudler wrote: »

Definitely, once you get better at the game and dont rely on speed/knife kills as much its essential. I witched like a bastard when I was starting out, no time for that sh1t now

Depends what map. Derail is fantastic for witching. I never get tired of sneaking up the stairs of the warehouse to stab a sniper who's hanging off a ledge without a clue what's behind him.

krudler

shawpower wrote: »

Depends what map. Derail is fantastic for witching. I never get tired of sneaking up the stairs of the warehouse to stab a sniper who's hanging off a ledge without a clue what's behind him.

I hate Derail, its pretty much the only map where I either vote to skip or exit the lobby, its either full of snipers or everyone goes for the building in the middle, for such a large map most of the action is always in the same place.

Shammy

krudler wrote: »

I hate Derail, its pretty much the only map where I either vote to skip or exit the lobby, its either full of snipers or everyone goes for the building in the middle, for such a large map most of the action is always in the same place.

The same can be said for every other map. (Action confined to the one place)

krudler

Shammy wrote: »

The same can be said for every other map. (Action confined to the one place)

True, depends on the map though, Favela has a nice spread of the rooftops or up at the back where the storm drain is. Rust is just mayhem all over the place. I love Terminal though its my fave map, can snipe, run and gun, plenty of routes around, its hard to lock down a specific point.

shawpower

krudler wrote: »

I hate Derail, its pretty much the only map where I either vote to skip or exit the lobby, its either full of snipers or everyone goes for the building in the middle, for such a large map most of the action is always in the same place.

Give Witching a go on it next time it comes up. Honestly, because of the tree cover etc, you can move around the large open map quite easily. And if you avoid the centre building you can get people as they shoot into it, or try to get in themselves. I was running at 18-2 for a while in a game last night, before things went pear-shaped when I forgot how to play and started raging after people to revenge kill. It was a bloody flashy no scope sniper who kept missing with the sniping, but then I messed up the kill and got knifed myself.

But I've gone 10:1 ratio a good few times on that map by witching. (First Recon class so no Commando)

sierra117x

i find strafing much better never had much trouble taking down a drop shotter i usually try and move from cover to cover . like a sort of rolling camper

i.e catching me in the open is your best bet i usually panic fire EVERYWHERE :P

Luap

Tallon wrote: »

Do it man....

"once you go tac, you never go back"

I did.