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Suspected Serial Killer Arrested In The UK

zimovain

Sick stuff, also heard on the news there could be more victims:(

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/england/bradford_and_west_yorkshire/10169376.stm.

A 40-year-old man, thought to be a PhD criminology student, is being questioned about the murders of three women in Bradford.
The man in custody - believed to be Stephen Griffiths - was arrested on suspicion of killing Suzanne Blamires, 36, who was last seen on Friday.
He is also suspected of killing Shelley Armitage, 31, and Susan Rushworth, 43. All three women were sex workers.
CCTV footage is understood to be playing a major part in the inquiry.
Detectives have been granted extra time, until Thursday evening, to question the suspect who was arrested at an address in Bradford on Monday.
Officers, accompanied by specially-trained sniffer dog teams, have been searching a number of buildings, some of them in the Chain Street area of Bradford's red light district

The Sun (I know, I know) have some info on the guy

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2989295.ece

Griffiths, an expert on serial killers, poses as his doppelganger as he writes: "Humanity is not merely a biological condition. It is also a state of mind.

"On that basis I am a pseudo human at best. A demon at worst."

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My name is URL

Millicent wrote: »

Word choice makes a giant difference and can affect the slant of a piece. And newspapers gather a lot of their news from much the same sources so it's not surprising that similar themes and stories would appear.

Every newspaper has their own 'slant'.. the Daily Mail is a conservative middle-market tabloid.. The Mirror is more liberal in how it reports things

Nobody is forcing anybody to read any of them.. I don't see why it's such a big deal to some people where a story comes from. If it's obviously xenophobic or whatever then those that don't agree will point it out.

This thread is way off-topic now because of my first post, which was merely questioning whether or not it's necessary to point out that the article is not from a particular source in the title

Millicent

walshb wrote: »

Well, a lot of the time I find they say what most people think but are afraid to say.

There is nothing in that paper that has crossed the mind of anyone I know bar a few. And those are the few I'm obligated to love by birth. :P

kylith

walshb wrote: »

Well, a lot of the time I find they say what most people think but are afraid to say.

Ah, so bias in journalism is ok because they're only as bigoted as their readers?

Millicent

My name is URL wrote: »

Every newspaper has their own 'slant'.. the Daily Mail is a conservative middle-market tabloid.. The Mirror is more liberal in how it reports things

Nobody is forcing anybody to read any of them.. I don't see why it's such a big deal to some people where a story comes from. If it's obviously xenophobic or whatever then those that don't agree will point it out.

This thread is way off-topic now because of my first post, which was merely questioning whether or not it's necessary to point out that the article is not from a particular source in the title

Agreed on the OT. And my point is, if I'm going to have a discussion, you shouldn't have to get "is it accurate/ is it balanced" out of the way before you can get to the important points. /derail!

walshb

kylith wrote: »

Ah, so bias in journalism is ok because they're only as bigoted as their readers?

What has bigotry got to do with reporting facts?

Example: If the Mail say that many immigrants are defrauding the system and have evidence that many are, and they claim it's a disgrace, how is it bigoted?

General Zod

This thread is like Mr. Benn, but instead of the shopkeeper, as if by magic an immigration argument appears.

builttospill

Edit: wrong thread, doh!

bonerm

hardCopy wrote: »

What do Yorkshiremen have against the brazzers?

Pete Sutcliffe was even working out of Bradford. Must be something in the water of that city.

zimovain

I edited out the daily mail bit, itv was just meant in jest due to the recent discussions on the paper in question!

Back on topic this is a really sad case:mad:

It seems CCTV has played a big part in catching the suspect, along with "good, old fashioned police work" according to one report.

Minstrel27

Standard Toaster wrote: »

Reminds me of Dexter

Dexter doesn't go around killing prostitutes.

ejmaztec

walshb wrote: »

Well, a lot of the time I find they say what most an unknown number of people think but are afraid to say.

fyp

stovelid

hardCopy wrote: »

What do Yorkshiremen have against the brazzers?

Their groins?

zimovain

He's been charged.

A man is charged with the murders of three Bradford women who have all disappeared in the past year.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/england/10176347.stm

Corkfeen

Found his amazon review page before it goes down....

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/pdp/profile/AMZOKW1RBTGAQ/ref=cm_cr_rdp_pdp
His wishlist shows no indication that he's a serial killer or not...... :eek:

Kepti

Corkfeen wrote: »

Found his amazon review page before it goes down....
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/pdp/profile/AMZOKW1RBTGAQ/ref=cm_cr_rdp_pdp
His wishlist shows no indication that he's a serial killer or not...... :eek:

Haha, that's insane. You just know he was already on a government list somewhere with a wishlist like that.

Nodin

walshb wrote: »

So they have zero credibility then?

Amazing they are still in business.....

So are psychics, astrologers and joe coleman.

citizen_p

is that wishlist a joke or wtf....seriously thats fecking weird,

he mustve loved murder she wrote and diagonisis murder as a kid

nacho libre

this story brings me to the question of gut instinct? if you got a bad feeling about someone based on the nature of a particular conversation. would you dismiss it as just paranoia and a set of coincidences, and move on without giving it another thought?

nacho libre

as regards the Daily Mail:
you only have to see the amount of retractions and apologies the Mail is forced to print to know what kind of paper it is. print first deal with the inaccuracies later seems to be the motto!

having said that the mail recently had a court judgement go in their favour. i think anyone into the ethics of journalism should be glad they won this particular case.

Deep Easterly

nacho libre wrote: »

this story brings me to the question of gut instinct? if you got a bad feeling about someone based on the nature of a particular conversation. would you dismiss it as just paranoia and a set of coincidences, and move on without giving it another thought?

Good question. It's possible to get that bad feeling about someone by just looking at them I think. I have often wondered if this is just down to personal perception or just plain instinct, or indeed if there is even any differentiation between the two.

Personally, if I don't like the look of someone, (when I say look, I don't mean in the attractive/unattractive sense), I tend to aviod them or if I have to interact with them I will be stiff and dismissive. I have often questioned myself as to why I am like this. Is it down to social and cultural upbringing? or is blaming sociological influence on personal traits just that, blaming something outside yourself when the real guilty person is no-one but myself?

I just don't know.

D-Generate

I don't understand why people are saying that his wishlist correlates highly with that of a serial killer. It doesn't. It correlates highly with any other PhD student in Criminology. We should hardly have a witchhunt for other similar profiles because the vast majority of other profiles are probably involved in trying to prevent murderers.

zimovain

From the bastion of truth..

A FORMER friend of crossbow killing suspect Stephen Griffiths told last night how he watched him swallow a live baby rat whole.

Mature student Griffiths - charged yesterday with murdering three prostitutes - bred rats to feed his two pet monitor lizards.
Ex-pal Billy Parkin, 53, said: "Steve decided to show off by lifting a baby rat out of its cage and popping it into his mouth.
Sickened ... Billy Parkin

"He then swallowed it whole. I've never seen anything like it, someone eating a rat.
"Steve thought it was quite funny, but it turned my stomach."
The pal, who fell out with Griffiths after they rowed about a planned trip to a music festival, said it happened at the suspect's flat in Bradford, West Yorks.
Billy's son Luke, 18 at the time, also witnessed it.
Ex-neighbour Rachel Farrington-Naylor said she saw 100 rats in a coffin-sized box once kept by the accused loner.
He laughed as she watched him feeding one to a lizard. Griffiths, 40, will appear before JPs today

Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2990803/Stephen-Griffiths-swallowed-a-live-baby-rat-whole.html#ixzz0pDCH2LQZ
of journalism

zimovain

He gave his name as the Crossbow Cannibal in court

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0528/bradford.html

A criminology student gave his name as 'the crossbow cannibal when he appeared in court in Britain today charged with the murders of three prostitutes.

The cosmopolitan bustle of a city such as Bradford could easily have allowed Stephen Griffiths to enjoy an ordinary, comfortable life. He could have got a job, found some friends, and slipped quietly into everyday anonymity.

But Stephen Griffiths was not interested in being ordinary. And, as we now know, he certainly didn't want to be anonymous.

Outwardly, he was a 40-year-old oddball - an unmarried, unattached, ex-public schoolboy and perpetual student who never really grew up. In his mind, he was 'Ven Pariah', the confident, dominant character of his disturbingly dark alter ego.

Parallel life: Stephen Griffiths, who is charged with murdering three prostitutes, in a photograph taken from one of his web pages

Through the unbridled freedom of the internet, he created a sinister parallel life - 'the scary image I generally project to the world', as he phrased it.

Pariah was a figure obsessed with crimes and those who commit them. His publicly declared heroes were terrorists, Nazis, outlaws and murderers.

So yesterday - as police faced the prospect that a serial killer might have murdered at least three missing prostitutes, plus others who vanished more than a decade ago - the central question was whether the fantasy world of Ven Pariah had somehow become reality for Stephen Griffiths?

There was certainly a dramatic contrast between the online character and the real thing. Locked in the seclusion of his shabbily kept third-floor flat, Griffiths would spend hours at the computer, sometimes surfing the web until well into the early hours.

The only regular company he reportedly kept there were his pet lizards - plus the mice he bred to feed them.

Griffiths lived in a converted former mill between the city centre and its red light district, where once-proud industrial buildings lie either derelict or are being turned into apartments.

A neighbour who directly overlooked his main window said Griffiths was 'always on the internet, 24/7'. Another said he was 'baffled' as to why a 40-year-old man would spend so much time indoors.

Yet it wouldn't have been difficult for anyone to make the link between Ven Pariah and Stephen Griffiths, the 6ft figure who could occasionally be seen around the cobbled backstreets.

Simply putting his name into a search would bring up a string of pages which Griffiths had created, as well as a trail to those on which he had left messages or images.

Police have shut down many of the sites as they begin to scrutinise every part of their suspect's life.

Looking deeper into the web, however, a startling insight into his dark thoughts emerges.

Moira Griffiths, mother of suspected Yorkshire serial killer Stephen Griffiths. After his parents split up, Griffiths lived with her

On Amazon, for example, he built a wish list of books and DVDs. Most were about real-life crime. They include boxed sets entitled Notorious Killers, Mass Murderers and Britain's Bloodiest Serial Killers.

Also featured are the film Ravenous, whose theme involves vampire cannibals, and David Lynch's horror movie Eraserhead.

On another web page, a line that looked as if it might have come from the Book of Ezekiel could have suggested at first glance that Griffiths had an interest in the Bible.

But the quotation - 'The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides' - was actually an infamous line spoken by Samuel L Jackson in Quentin Tarantino's ultra-violent movie Pulp Fiction.

Last December he reviewed a book entitled Women And The Noose, a history of female criminals and their execution. He gave it a five-star rating and wrote that author Richard Clark did a 'competent job' - and branded a previous reviewer as 'a complete imbecile'.

Yorkshire Ripper Peter Sutcliffe, Ian Brady and Myra Hindley, Fred and Rose West, gangsters Bonnie and Clyde, Arab terrorists and Nazi war criminals all featured on his pages.

He joined online groups calling for independence for Yorkshire, and complained to one that Bradford was being 'over-run by chavs'.

No one seemed to recall yesterday if he ever had a full-time job after leaving school. Certainly he has spent a great deal of time in education. It is understood he did a psychology degree at Leeds University, and spent the last six years doing a PhD in criminology at Bradford.

Bradford confirmed yesterday he was a student in the Department of Social Science and Humanities, which runs criminology undergraduate courses, but declined to elaborate.

Griffiths himself had no such reluctance. He once summarised his course to a neighbour by saying he was studying Jack the Ripper and doing 'a PhD in murder'.

But if he could justify his interest in serial killers as purely academic, it appears to have become blurred by the macabre presence of his alter ego.

As Ven Pariah, Griffiths used two main images of himself, one a self-portrait taken bare-chested as he stared into a mirror. He assigned himself the age of 99 and trawled internet sites to hook in like-minded correspondents. Most of them were women. The tone of the exchanges suggests he didn't meet them face to face.

Indeed, it appears he may have watched some of them from afar. Last night it was claimed he sent 'unnerving' messages to a woman he watched leaving a yoga class that she had been conducting.

She didn't report it to police but told fellow yoga teacher Steven Johnson.

He said: 'She'd never met him or knew who he was, but got a message through MySpace saying "I saw you coming out the yoga class. You know you look all right".

She didn't reply and he didn't seem to like that so he sent another message. The messages weren't threatening or sexual. I think he was trying to be friendly, but she found it unnerving.'

At Bradford University, just a short walk from his home, Griffiths was a mature student who found himself surrounded by people half his age.

He didn't make friends easily - and nor did his fellow students try too hard to befriend him. They called him 'the weirdo' and rarely socialised, unless it was to chat about a mutual interest in music. Perhaps surprisingly, his favourites included bands such as Hot Chocolate and Queen.

Enlarge Extensive: Forensic teams scour the area around Griffiths's flat, which is close to the red light district

He also listed reggae, punk, rap and heavy metal among his tastes, and took a keen interest in the local music scene.

The silent, solitary figure in the audience was a familiar sight at some of the venues where he indulged that interest. Often it would involve walking through the red light district on his way home - he lived less than a mile away from where girls touted for trade.

They knew him, of course - because he had started chatting to them almost as soon as he moved into the area in 1997. But he never wanted sex.

He was happy to share a cigarette with them, and would often hang around with them. One of the girls, Sarah, remembered him from as far back as 2000.
'He would always be hanging around us,' she said. 'He always told us he was gay.'

In his long, dark, leather coat, often dressed in 'Goth' style, the 40-year-old seemed at ease with them. As a child, however Griffiths was awkward and aloof.

His mother was a telephonist and his father, a frozen food company rep when Stephen was born in 1969, was often seen in a suit and tie. It wasn't that common in the area of Dewsbury where he spent his first years.

His parents split up while he was young and he lived with his mother Moira, and a brother and sister, in a council semi in Wakefield.

A neighbour who remembers them well said: 'They were odd, all of them.'

Moira didn't officially work and was believed to be on benefits. Perhaps significantly, neighbours widely believed she had a secret night-time existence.

'She used to go out most nights at 11.30 or midnight, and always seeing different men who would come and go from the house,' said the neighbour.

She vividly recalled the one and only night she agreed to go out socially with Moira. They went to a nightclub and Moira 'immediately began snogging men'.

The neighbour described Stephen and his brother Philip as 'nerds'. 'They never went out, mixed with other children in the street or played outside.'

Stephen's enthusiasm for knowledge helped to earn him a place at Queen Elizabeth Grammar School in Wakefield, a prestigious independent school which boasts that it 'exists to nurture respect, responsibility and the achievement of excellence'.

Fees are now more than £9,000 a year and alumni include England rugby star Mike Tindall.

The school confirmed yesterday that Griffiths attended for three years until 1986, making him a few months short of his 17th birthday when he left.

His mother, now 61, lives in a run-down block of flats behind Dewsbury station.

A neighbour there said Stephen used to visit often. 'He's a bit strange but I always thought he was harmless,' the neighbour said.

'Once I invited him to share a can of lager with me on the grass outside and it was suddenly like he was my best friend. He seemed quite lonely.'

Additional reporting by Chris Brooke and Dan Newling

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1281942/PhD-student-Stephen-Griffiths-charged-Bradford-prostitute-murders.html#ixzz0pDEKUSLE

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mike65

In court today

Judge - "Please state your name"
Defendant - "Crossbow Cannibal"

Capt'n Midnight

mike65 wrote: »

In court today

Judge - "Please state your name"
Defendant - "Crossbow Cannibal"

ah the ye olde insanity plea
should be a catch 22 on using it ,

unfortunately it has worked in the past in this country :mad:

mike65

He's hired the Sutcliff lawyer so clearly he thinks his time has come and will milk it to the max.