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New Cycle lanes!

jayboi

I dont care what argument anyone puts forward the new cycle lanes from town along the dunmore road are an absolute joke. There is absolutely no room for cycle lanes along large portions of the road.
Already ive seen people parking on the lanes causing traffic to go to the other side of the road as they've reduced the width on both sides in most places.
top it all off two more sets of traffic lights!

I want to know whos idea this was and why he still has a job!
Rant over thank you for listening.
Anyone else boggled by this?

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dayshah

honeybadger wrote: »

total overkill ,,theres plenty of other roads junctions in waterford city that need the work done too and not just for the privalaged few in upper newtown where they had a perfectly good road to drive on before they started messing with it ,,,and if u look at some of the junctions that have the red cycle lane materail done on that road(even some of that cream coloured slow zone ****e) ,,,its after wearing away already and its not down two months so its a bigger waste of money and a hazard for skidding because of the loose chipping grit :mad:,,i didnt mean to rant ,,,

Its one of the main routes of the city. Its not just for the privileged few, unless someone on their way to the hospital is in someway privileged.

They cateyes do no harm. Stop looking for things to moan about.

honeybadger

RockPaper wrote: »

They've now put cats eyes on the road between Benildus church and the roundabout at the top of Newtown, anyone else think this is overkill on a well-lit residential road??

total overkill ,,theres plenty of other roads junctions in waterford city that need the work done too and not just for the privalaged few in upper newtown where they had a perfectly good road to drive on before they started messing with it ,,,and if u look at some of the junctions that have the red cycle lane materail done on that road(even some of that cream coloured slow zone ****e) ,,,its after wearing away already and its not down two months so its a bigger waste of money and a hazard for skidding because of the loose chipping grit :mad:,,i didnt mean to rant ,,,

tonc76

RockPaper wrote: »

They've now put cats eyes on the road between Benildus church and the roundabout at the top of Newtown, anyone else think this is overkill on a well-lit residential road??

That stretch of road is acutually a Regional Road R683 but even at that it's overkill. The Traffic Signs Manual states "In urban or slow-speed situations, discretion should be used as to the provision of studs, having regard to the traffic pattern and mix. Generally, where adequate street lighting is provided, studs will not be necessary".

dayshah

RockPaper wrote: »

They've now put cats eyes on the road between Benildus church and the roundabout at the top of Newtown, anyone else think this is overkill on a well-lit residential road??

It does no harm. The bumpy bump sound will remind drivers if they are crossing over a lane. To be honest I'd like a more solid barrier for the cycle lanes.

I would consider it more a major thoroughfare than a residential road.

RockPaper

They've now put cats eyes on the road between Benildus church and the roundabout at the top of Newtown, anyone else think this is overkill on a well-lit residential road??

wmpdd3

Does any one on the Dunmore rd actually know they can't park in the cycle lanes?

It's great to see the new Dooley's chip shop open across from the park but when I passed there yesterday evening at 19:30, there was a line of cars parked in the cycle lane, then 3 cars double parked in the driving lane!!

Because of the Food festival there was a long line of cars coming in from Dunmore, so after 20 cars passing me on the other side of the road, I let rip on the horn, the 3 cars finally moved in to the petrol garage.

Have to remember not to use that road anymore.

dayshah

I've been looking at OpenStreetMap.

At the moment the cycle lanes bring you to the park (ok, the lanes can be improved, but lets suppose the are functional).

This is good as it takes in Waterpark and De La Salle secondary schools, so can remove some traffic from pupils who decide to cycle (maybe the city council can sponsor some extra bike sheds too).

However, if you want to get into town Lombard St is a bit of a bottle-neck, with no lane.

How about allow people cycle through the park. Now we add St. Declan's to our list of schools. Then make Catherine St one way to facilitate a bike lane leaving the park. Then some slight changes to traffic lights and so can allow bikes access to Spring Garden Alley and you're in the city centre.

It would also connect the Dunmore Rd bike route to the proposed route for the Quay/Mall. Hopefully this will be extended out the Cork Rd and we would have bike routes linking WIT to City Centre to Dunmore Road.

Also the paths are plenty wide to allow bike lanes on the inner ring road which would connect the Cork Road to Tramore, so you can cycle all the way from Tramore to the City Centre is relative safety.

dayshah

gooner4ever wrote: »

Can anyone understand why they have put in the new traffice lights?
I travel the dunmore road everyday, the traffic has gotten worse since they started the traffice lights. I have regularly used both junctions where the traffic lights were installed and I was never waiting more that a min or two to get onto the dunmore road before the lights were installed. Now i find I get caught at both sets of lights everytime I use the road. I now find that I am avoiding the road whenever possible. What genious in the City council thought up this stupid idea?

This could be good for cyclists (though a red light is more annoying when you are on a bike as you lose all the momentum).

gooner4ever

Bards wrote: »

I would imagine it is a cynical ploy to put a halt on cars proceeding too easily so more people will use the bus, especially when they see it whizing by their stationary car

seems we have a council who are going out of there way to punish car drivers (just look at the ORR with a stupid Speed limit)

I remember reading an article when the road opened and the council tried to justify the speed limit by stating that the road was zoned residential.
I think it is going to be a very long time before any houses are going to be built along that road which just confirms what a stupid speed limit it is

Bards

gooner4ever wrote: »

Can anyone understand why they have put in the new traffice lights?
I travel the dunmore road everyday, the traffic has gotten worse since they started the traffice lights. I have regularly used both junctions where the traffic lights were installed and I was never waiting more that a min or two to get onto the dunmore road before the lights were installed. Now i find I get caught at both sets of lights everytime I use the road. I now find that I am avoiding the road whenever possible. What genious in the City council thought up this stupid idea?

I would imagine it is a cynical ploy to put a halt on cars proceeding too easily so more people will use the bus, especially when they see it whizing by their stationary car

seems we have a council who are going out of there way to punish car drivers (just look at the ORR with a stupid Speed limit)

gooner4ever

Can anyone understand why they have put in the new traffice lights?
I travel the dunmore road everyday, the traffic has gotten worse since they started the traffice lights. I have regularly used both junctions where the traffic lights were installed and I was never waiting more that a min or two to get onto the dunmore road before the lights were installed. Now i find I get caught at both sets of lights everytime I use the road. I now find that I am avoiding the road whenever possible. What genious in the City council thought up this stupid idea?

Yes Boss

An interesting point in relation to the new cycle lanes, is that the line that separates them from the vehicular carriageway is broken, thus allowing cars to drive over/on them legally. I wonder is this because the width of the carriageways on some stretches of the road look like they don't comply with NRA guidelines for minimum widths!!

SUNGOD

wmpdd3 wrote: »

Had a close call Wed evening, the Keneallys bus was stopped after the church on the left hand side, I was traveling on the right, there were cars parked in the bus lane, all the cars behind the bus decided to overtake, in my lane. They got so far then got stuck facing me until the buss pulled off again. We need a webcam on that road just for a laugh.

i had a close call of kinds yesterday but it was just me in my van and another car and bus both me and the car slowed down nearly to a stop as we both tried to pass the moving bus its ridulous
thankfully no cyclist was there too be pushed up on to the path

calerbass

Yes Boss wrote: »

The Council is trying to shoehorn cycle lanes onto a narrow road - for whom? Why are they not on the roads leading out to Lisduggan, Kilcohan or John's park?

You can be guaranteed that they do not comply with minimum standards and in my opinion they pose a safety risk. I would suggest that if there is an accident i will be challenged and the Council will end up paying for the damage. Absolute clowns!!!

I agree with you..........the lanes are there to appease the leafier suburbs of waterford.......it sticks out really.......a cosmetic exercise.........ya cant just put in cycle lanes in one part of the city and not the other parts......its waterford's Dublin Four in the city council,s mind...........for years their was nowhere to lock a bicycle in the city.........only leave it at the side of the church next to egans..........

Cabaal

wmpdd3 wrote: »

We need a webcam on that road just for a laugh.

Get on to the council to move this http://www.waterfordcity.ie/cam/

wmpdd3

Had a close call Wed evening, the Keneallys bus was stopped after the church on the left hand side, I was traveling on the right, there were cars parked in the bus lane, all the cars behind the bus decided to overtake, in my lane. They got so far then got stuck facing me until the buss pulled off again. We need a webcam on that road just for a laugh.

rayc

I was walking the Dunmore road today and noticed they now have signs up saying parking in the bus lane is ALLOWED between 9.30 - 4.30 and 6.30-x.xx (or something similar). Even though parking is obviously prohibited at peak times, this just makes the bus lanes seem even more pointless to me.

wellbutty

Does anyone know if the council have been forced to comment publicly about this mess (i.e. on Billy McCarthy)?

Trotter

dayshah wrote: »

Can anyone tell me of the advantage of the terracotta surface for cycling?

Is it softer if you fall, or give better traction or something?

I'm not sure about the advantage of that stuff but the one they put down from Earlscourt to Riverview is so badly maintained that it's impossible and unsafe to cycle on now. The drains set below the ground level mean you have a choice to swerve the bike out in a hurry or put the front wheel into the drain and get hit by Aer Arann.

It's seems to be a big show by the city council because if they'd cycled this route just once then it'd be done differently. I'm back in the car on Monday anyway. I'm not risking it anymore.

dayshah

Can anyone tell me of the advantage of the terracotta surface for cycling?

Is it softer if you fall, or give better traction or something?

Deisekickboxing

Cabaal wrote: »

Perhaps, however if people paid due care and attention when driving we wouldn't have problems.

These close calls and crashes come from people failing to understand what the lines on the road stand for and ensuring that they have placed themselves on the road correctly.....basically if you don't know what a yellow box is etc you shouldn't be driving.

na way theres way too many stupid lines on that road , even the doublepainted one between the two roundabouts along the buslane will throw your car about in wet conditions- or knock ya off yer bike......
the chicane top of park road is particiluarly hilarious:P

Cabaal

deisemum wrote: »

I think that road is a lot more dangerous since they introduced the new lanes. I've seen a lot more close shaves.

Perhaps, however if people paid due care and attention when driving we wouldn't have problems.

These close calls and crashes come from people failing to understand what the lines on the road stand for and ensuring that they have placed themselves on the road correctly.....basically if you don't know what a yellow box is etc you shouldn't be driving.

Joe Gt wrote: »

its also not possible to take off from one set of lights and get through the next before it goes red ,

I disagree, I've managed it a good few times in the mornings and in the evenings...course yesterday I was held up for ages but this was due to idiots parking so far out onto the road they blocked one lane ASWELL as the cycle lane...get rid of these idiots and things improve

Joe Gt

its also not possible to take off from one set of lights and get through the next before it goes red ,

Council have rightly fudged up on this attempt to make it all safer

Bards

deisemum wrote: »

I was driving in towards town around 2.30pm today, it was like the dodgems, quite a number of cars coming out of town were over on the inward lane and I was forced into the cycle lane a couple of times. Some even overtook the bus at the bus stop out into the inward lane and I had to stop or they'd have ploughed into me.

My son told me there was a crash outside either Waterpark or De La Salle, a male driver crashed into a woman who was in the right then proceeded to shout abuse at her but another man got out of another car and came to her defence.

I think that road is a lot more dangerous since they introduced the new lanes. I've seen a lot more close shaves.

....and the very same Clueless Councillors are afraid of increasing the speed limit on the ORR for fear of accidents and being sued - This really is an upside-down country

deisemum

I was driving in towards town around 2.30pm today, it was like the dodgems, quite a number of cars coming out of town were over on the inward lane and I was forced into the cycle lane a couple of times. Some even overtook the bus at the bus stop out into the inward lane and I had to stop or they'd have ploughed into me.

My son told me there was a crash outside either Waterpark or De La Salle, a male driver crashed into a woman who was in the right then proceeded to shout abuse at her but another man got out of another car and came to her defence.

I think that road is a lot more dangerous since they introduced the new lanes. I've seen a lot more close shaves.

Joey leBlanc

Thumbs up to the City Council for another great job eh? :mad:
Over the past few days the traffic is regularly backed up past Newtown School goin down towards town @ times when before you could just sail down to about The Kings pub without the slightest bit of bother. Now you have to negotiate two sets of traffic lights!! Absolute madness! Who came up with this idiotic idea??
Still it's great to see the mums'n'dads dropping the kids off outside Waterpark are still oblivious to the rules of the road & do what they want. They were only problem on this section of the road & the WCC have accomodated them even further!

dayshah

Trotter wrote: »

I'm trying the route on the bike every morning this week. Haven't managed to get from Newtown roundabout to De La Salle once without having to swing out to avoid cars, JCBs, and 4WD's parked in the cycle lane. Nearly got mushed when I stopped at the traffic lights at Newtown school. Signalled right (even though the main road just carries on around to the right anyway) but the car beside me in the car lane ignored me and went straight ahead down towards the John of God school. He/she cut straight across me and I nearly went in the back side window.

In this situation I cycle in the middle of the car lane. That way I'm in clear view of whoever is behind me. If they are turning left then they can't cut across me and kill me. Vehicles turning left at this sort of situation is the main cause of cycle deaths.

In Brussels a space just in front of the traffic lights is reserved for bikes. This way the bikes are in front of the cars so they can't cut across you.

I know it inconveniences the cars behind me, but I value my life more than 10 or 20 seconds of inconvenience for them. (and hey, if they want an altercation I have my D-Lock handy

)

Cabaal

jonnyfingers wrote: »

This is why I try to cycle as little as possible in the city. You really are taking your life in your hands.

Funny you say that, I cycled in and around Waterford for years and found it alright.

Since then I've moved to a small town and its scary how clueless people are in the small town when it comes to bikes, almost every time I go out on the bike some idiot cuts out infront of me or assumes I'm going slow so pulls out of a junction when I'm coming.

In comparison drivers in Waterford appear to have some cop on when it comes to cyclists...scary really

jonnyfingers

Trotter wrote: »

I'm trying the route on the bike every morning this week. Haven't managed to get from Newtown roundabout to De La Salle once without having to swing out to avoid cars, JCBs, and 4WD's parked in the cycle lane. Nearly got mushed when I stopped at the traffic lights at Newtown school. Signalled right (even though the main road just carries on around to the right anyway) but the car beside me in the car lane ignored me and went straight ahead down towards the John of God school. He/she cut straight across me and I nearly went in the back side window.

This is why I try to cycle as little as possible in the city. You really are taking your life in your hands.

Trotter

I'm trying the route on the bike every morning this week. Haven't managed to get from Newtown roundabout to De La Salle once without having to swing out to avoid cars, JCBs, and 4WD's parked in the cycle lane. Nearly got mushed when I stopped at the traffic lights at Newtown school. Signalled right (even though the main road just carries on around to the right anyway) but the car beside me in the car lane ignored me and went straight ahead down towards the John of God school. He/she cut straight across me and I nearly went in the back side window.