MisterAnarchy wrote: » A Good Explanation of the final for people still confused In the final confrontation. Desmond was the only person who could go down into the light and unplug the cork. By unplugging the cork. The island lost all power. When the island lost all power ALL THE RULES COULD NOW BE BROKEN. Smokey/MIB lost all of his powers which made him mortal again but at the same time he could now kill the candidates directly. At the same time the island without its power was being destroyed…probably the whole world was being destroyed like “Mother” told her kids on what would happen if the light went out. So MIB was now mortal and after a confrontation with Jack, he was finally killed. But the island needed to be re-plugged. Jack did this and sacrificed himself for the island. Hurley was left to be the new Jacob and Ben was his new “Richard” It appears that they had a successful long future not unseen but as Hurley told Ben in the ALT (which I am going to get into) “you were a good number 2” Ben: you were a good number 1” As for the people on the plane it appears that they escaped the island and probably lived happy lives back in the main land. The ones probably back in the island lived happy lives, like Rose Bernard, Cindy and the kids. As for Desmond he probably was able to get back to his family as well thanks to Hurley and Ben. Jack’s dying body was thrown out of the cave (like MIB’s body In Across the sea). He laid there dying looking up when Vincent came over and as he looked up and saw that the Ajira plane had been able to leave. He closed his eye and died. Eventually like everyone does, they all died, from old age or however. (including Richard who started to finally age). Hurley probably died long after everyone else once he found his own candidate. When they finally died their “spirits” joined the others who had died before during the course of the series, they were in this type of “purgatory” which in season 6 was the ALT reality. Once in this purgatory, once they “woke up” or realized that they were in reality dead. They were able to “cross-over” probably to a type of heaven depending on your spiritual views. They lived happily ever after, in the great beyond.
R.Shackleford wrote: » I really dont know what to make of the plane flying over head at the end.
Trilla wrote: » Read it any way to please - as ignorance, in total agreement or any other way
Essentially it boils down to this. They got to season 6 and realised they couldn't answer anything! So they wrote in the "alt-timeline" which seemed to tie in with the rest of the show... because it was supposed to be created with the bomb, however it wasn't an alt timeline, it was purgatory. This purgatory timeline didnt affect or tie in with the show or any other series in ANY way, and was purely included so they could answer it with a big twist and hope we all forgot about all the other un-answered questions.
I've had a revelation. I was SO angry at the end of Lost. I wondered why I had got up at 5am to be told very little. But then it occured to me. I was thinking as a man of science. But as a man of faith - it was perfect in every way.
thought the ending was a cop out and pretty live up to such a low expectation of nothing explained and a bollocks of everyone is dead in a dreamworld after leaving or dying on the island.....and they all lived happily ever after
But the magic of the show was never about the characters and a "will they wont they" ross and rachel ending doesnt quite cut it! The show was about the mythology and the sci-fi element. They asked loads of questions to keep us watching... and answered none of them
i think all the confusion lies in people expecting a game changer ending or some big answer. the fact is we never got any. the only answer was the alt-timeline was infact purgatory. people seem to want to apply this answer to the whole of lost in an attempt to answer the big questions raised throughout the series, when in reality... we never got any.
JDee wrote: » They did not die all at once. The sideways is some sort of passage for the afterlife so they can meet up before they move on. They all died eventually.
stevejazzx wrote: » So the evil Locke as one part of a duo of Egyptian? gods is fed up with judging the souls of those trapped in a 'limbo', people whose fate hangs in the balance and their choices on the island dictate whether or not they will have good lives and pass from the gateway back to their respective realities. This god (who is trapped himself in this limbo) has had enough; people were not choosing evil; they were choosing good. So he's found a loophole (have a mortal kill his partner) in the rules to kill his co-god (the good guy Jacob) and now he's building a little evil army of islanders in anticipation of destroying the gateway (island) because he does not believe people deserve a chance at redemption and maybe becasue noone can replace him unlike Jacobs position, which is up for candidacy. Now this is all very nice but it doesn't exactly relate to the first 2 seasons; vaguely to 3; slightly better 4&5 and now is moving somewhat slowly in the 6th despite killing a bunch of unknowns tonight in a not so shocking episode. If someone was to plot out on a piece of paper the entire story of lost consecutively from season 1 episode by episode it would make little sense. It's disappointing the writers have not referenced other majors events (i.e the season finale endings to date remember the scientists discovering the electric magnetic anomaly for Penny to find Desmond?). Without this complex cross referencing the show makes little if any sense; there is some time left, still a chance they might connect the 108 billion dots they've left behind but it seems from season 6 to date that the newest dots are all that count. In this episode we at least get further evidence that gods were somehow off island (not really explained but anyways) and recruiting for their candidacy (the story of Dogens son). This explains how losties end up connected at least. I need more of this for the show to come full circle.
Dempsey wrote: » Sorry steve, your well off the mark The pugartory/limbo theory has been squashed by the writers
podge018 wrote: » That's the part I can't get. When did this start. Were they born in the alt reality? Somebody said earlier it started on the plane but..... I don't buy that.
Creasy_bear wrote: » So Hurley was the new Jacob, how did he die
prinz wrote: » It was an island. Just a magic island.
johnny_ultimate wrote: » OK, will try and explain this one more time, has been said loads of time before (not being short or anything though, hopefully will answer your question). The 'purgatory' takes place at some unspecified time in the future. This could be centuries, millenia, whatever. At this point, everyone who has survived the activity on the island has died. This does not mean they died at the end of the episode. Many of them may well have died at an extremely old age, Ben and Hurley in particular. This purgatory timeline takes place at an unspecified time, and in fact time may not even be an issue. Once everyone has died, they have been gathered in this place - through vague philosophical ideas suggested by Christian - to reunite and realise how important they were all to each other. Only then can they 'move on' fulfilled. Now, the reason everyone is the same age is because they were all familiar with each other from their island days. Aaron is a child because he was a child on the island (even though he could have died in his 100s, or his 20s, whatever). I have read the whole thread and the specific question about Aaron has not been answered and you have not either (not being short) Penny was never on the island so was has the church seen got to do with "how important they were to each other". How many other people in the church even knew her? Her presence throws your theory. How is it Sun and Jins child is not there at the age Sun would have remembered her? I also believe the church scene was beyond the unspecified time of FST or purgatory. All the people in there were ready to move on, purgatory was complete. Everyone in the room was dead and ready to move on with the people most important to them. So was a mother he never really knew the most important person in Aaron's life if he lived to 20 or even 100 as you say? Would he not have befriended/married/had his own children ?
blandatious wrote: » I have read the whole thread and the specific question about Aaron has not been answered and you have not either (not being short) Penny was never on the island so was has the church seen got to do with "how important they were to each other". How many other people in the church even knew her? Her presence throws your theory. How is it Sun and Jins child is not there at the age Sun would have remembered her? I also believe the church scene was beyond the unspecified time of FST or purgatory. All the people in there were ready to move on, purgatory was complete. Everyone in the room was dead and ready to move on with the people most important to them. So was a mother he never really knew the most important person in Aaron's life if he lived to 20 or even 100 as you say? Would he not have befriended/married/had his own children ?
seadnamac wrote: » As above, Christian tells Jack that EVERYTHING he has experienced is real and everyone he has known is real. He doesn't make a distinction between his life in purgatory and his island life. Are we not to assume that Jack should assume his son to have been real aswell? And thus, everything else in the FST, as suggested by Christian, to be real? And if everything that happened after Jack died was just as real as everything that happened beforehand, then is the line between what was reality and what came after it not somewhat blurred?
johnny_ultimate wrote: » I think the 'reunion' aspect was of importance. Most of the significant players reunited before they moved on, perhaps they were there to share their moments of insight with each other. Maybe they couldn't really move on until they had all accepted the purgatory - Jack only buys into it once Christian has explained it to him, moments before the 'light'. Penny, you have a point. Although she did play a part in the drama, and she acted as Desmond's constant. Can't fully explain that though. As for Aaron, well Claire had returned home on the plane so we can assume that she probably played a significant role in his life. Can't forget how important Kate was in that too. Two points I'd make, although I know not everyone will accept them: anyone who wasn't there may have moved on already, or had their own issues to deal with (like Sun and Jin's child). For me, though, I'm not going to nitpick because I think as a visual and thematic conclusion it was a great moment. Yeah, you have a point about Penny and the like, but ultimately what appealed to me was all these characters reuniting (which IMO may have been a central neccesity for moving on) in one place. Yeah, I'm sure many people had significant roles in these characters post-island life, but on a practical level having hundreds of strangers would have been cluttered. On a story level, maybe it was this reunion, in which everyone shared their experiences, was the moment that allowed all these characters to join everyone else they knew later on.
tony1kenobi wrote: » I read the first 13 pages and promise to read the rest...so if it has been said already I apologise.....but in my opinion... ...They were dead before we ever met them....just like another show that finaled in the last few days... I was happy enough with the end and don't care that the writers lied...if they had said 5 years ago"yup..you're right"....would we have bothered watching? Wonderful show with a more that satisfying end....I have my questions of course...I'll ask them later.
tony1kenobi wrote: » I read the first 13 pages and promise to read the rest...so if it has been said already I apologise.....but in my opinion......They were dead before we ever met them....just like another show that finaled in the last few days... I was happy enough with the end and don't care that the writers lied...if they had said 5 years ago"yup..you're right"....would we have bothered watching? Wonderful show with a more that satisfying end....I have my questions of course...I'll ask them later.
blodvyn wrote: » No, they were not dead before meeting them. The sideways in s5 was the start of when we should have known/realized they were dead/purgatory. They all died at different times, boom on island, hurley (god knows how long as he was the new jacob and probobly relived something along the sames lines and died when he found a new canditate.) Kate , sawyer god only knows when but what matters is they all found each other in the end in order to pass on, as shepard says, we don't do this alone
Creasy_bear wrote: » you need to read more than 13 pages me thinks
Rob! wrote: » Don't wreck yourself dude. I've been trying to get the same point across all day - some ppl just cant seem to get it, even some critics. It's terribly frustrating to hear ppl hating on an ending that they are completely wrong in their interpretation of though!!
tony1kenobi wrote: » Nope...pretty sure I got it.
