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New Cycle lanes!

jayboi

I dont care what argument anyone puts forward the new cycle lanes from town along the dunmore road are an absolute joke. There is absolutely no room for cycle lanes along large portions of the road.
Already ive seen people parking on the lanes causing traffic to go to the other side of the road as they've reduced the width on both sides in most places.
top it all off two more sets of traffic lights!

I want to know whos idea this was and why he still has a job!
Rant over thank you for listening.
Anyone else boggled by this?

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jayboi

I actually saw two traffic wardens at the entrance to Newtown school the other day I think it was wednesday,
of course there needed to be two incase one got lonely but thats aside from the point at least they seem to be making an effort to enforce the changes.

deisemum

Yes Boss wrote: »

I know a Galway cyclist that peddles the Dunmore Road!!;)

:D:D:D:D

Know who you mean and even before the cycle lanes it was a struggle to steer away from him

Deisekickboxing

head on smash wont be far away well done to the idiotic retards who planned this mess and got paid for it.....:mad:

particularly dangerous past the church at newtown traffic lanes being pushed within a foot of each other somone will be killed...:eek:

Yes Boss

galwaycyclist wrote: »

Hi Folks

It may interest you to know, that Cyclist.ie the national umbrella body for cycle campaigns, has called for a moratorium on the construction of cycle lanes and tracks. As practised in Ireland, the construction of cycle facilities frequently makes cycling conditions worse not better. i.e. more dangerous and less convenient.

The Cyclist.ie policy document is here (the website itself is a bit threadbare at the mo)

http://www.cyclist.ie/documents/National_Cycling_Promotion_Policy.pdf

I know a Galway cyclist that peddles the Dunmore Road!!;)

deisemum

dayshah wrote: »

I agree it was stupid. However, if a cyclist makes a mistake he gets hurt. If a motorist makes a mistake it is still the cyclist that gets hurt.

If the cyclist makes a mistake or in this case is reckless then not only is it the cyclist that gets hurt but other innocent people may also be hurt.

dayshah

deisemum wrote: »

It's not just some motorists that are idiots on the road. I was driving in towards the city just before 2.30pm and the road was busy as it's school run time and a cyclist was cycling in the bus lane.

There was a vehicle parked in the bus lane and the cyclist just pulled out straight over into the centre of the car lane to overtake the vehicle and he didn't even slow down or look to see if it was safe to do so. He put his life and that of others at risk. Not as much as a glance nor any hand signals to indicate that he was just going to overtake the vehicle.

I agree it was stupid. However, if a cyclist makes a mistake he gets hurt. If a motorist makes a mistake it is still the cyclist that gets hurt.

deisemum

It's not just some motorists that are idiots on the road. I was driving in towards the city just before 2.30pm and the road was busy as it's school run time and a cyclist was cycling in the bus lane.

There was a vehicle parked in the bus lane and the cyclist just pulled out straight over into the centre of the car lane to overtake the vehicle and he didn't even slow down or look to see if it was safe to do so. He put his life and that of others at risk. Not as much as a glance nor any hand signals to indicate that he was just going to overtake the vehicle.

dayshah

jonnyfingers wrote: »

It would be a good idea but common sense has to prevail when it comes to installing bus lanes, cycle lanes, etc. For instance say there has been parking on the street outside your house for many years and suddenly a bus lane is put in there, there should be consideration for where people are going to park in future.

You make a good general point, but in that photo the cars were parked outside houses that do have driveways.

merlante

galwaycyclist wrote: »

Hi Folks

It may interest you to know, that Cyclist.ie the national umbrella body for cycle campaigns, has called for a moratorium on the construction of cycle lanes and tracks. As practised in Ireland, the construction of cycle facilities frequently makes cycling conditions worse not better. i.e. more dangerous and less convenient.

The Cyclist.ie policy document is here (the website itself is a bit threadbare at the mo)

http://www.cyclist.ie/documents/National_Cycling_Promotion_Policy.pdf

A lot of interesting stuff in there!

Very Dublin and Galway oriented by way of examples, but I guess the issues are the same.

galwaycyclist

Hi Folks

It may interest you to know, that Cyclist.ie the national umbrella body for cycle campaigns, has called for a moratorium on the construction of cycle lanes and tracks. As practised in Ireland, the construction of cycle facilities frequently makes cycling conditions worse not better. i.e. more dangerous and less convenient.

The Cyclist.ie policy document is here (the website itself is a bit threadbare at the mo)

http://www.cyclist.ie/documents/National_Cycling_Promotion_Policy.pdf

Cabaal

jonnyfingers wrote: »

It would be a good idea but common sense has to prevail when it comes to installing bus lanes, cycle lanes, etc. For instance say there has been parking on the street outside your house for many years and suddenly a bus lane is put in there, there should be consideration for where people are going to park in future.

I see your point however times change,
You could use your argument for why should residents in the city have to pay a yearly charge given that they used to be able to park for free.

Times change so these things changed to, if you live in a city these are the things your going to have to deal with...paid parking.

The bus route itself is a good idea however the second idiots park in it its ****ed up for everyone.

jonnyfingers

dayshah wrote: »

That photo gave me an idea.

Having a traffic warden walking around takes a lot of time to cover an area. Why not send them around in cars or bikes to nab such activity. Instead of filling out a slip they would just take a photo, and then you get your fine in the post similar to if you are speeding.

It wouldn't work in every street, but would be good for this sort of situation.

It would be a good idea but common sense has to prevail when it comes to installing bus lanes, cycle lanes, etc. For instance say there has been parking on the street outside your house for many years and suddenly a bus lane is put in there, there should be consideration for where people are going to park in future.

Also there are plenty of narrow roads that are set for two-way traffic where people park on the kerb purely to allow space for traffic to flow. Plenty of these roads have no double yellow lines so it is legal to park there. It would be unfair to punish this as obviously the road has not been planned properly. Indeed I know of a story where all residents on a similar street in Dublin were fined for parking on the kerb. So they all parked on the road, on both sides, and nobody could pass up or down the road. Needless to say they now park back on the kerb and receive no tickets!

dayshah

jonnyfingers wrote: »

Parking on a bus lane, double yellow lines and up on the kerb!

That photo gave me an idea.

Having a traffic warden walking around takes a lot of time to cover an area. Why not send them around in cars or bikes to nab such activity. Instead of filling out a slip they would just take a photo, and then you get your fine in the post similar to if you are speeding.

It wouldn't work in every street, but would be good for this sort of situation.

jonnyfingers

19.5V wrote: »

Today Wednesday 19th May at 11:00 am

Parking on a bus lane, double yellow lines and up on the kerb!

19.5V

Today Wednesday 19th May at 11:00 am

Trotter

I was nearly mushed by a 4x4 today when I was heading towards town. Just on the corner after the Newtown roundabout, before the church.

The driver had the jeep at least 2 or 3 foot over the new white line in my lane, and was going at a hectic pace. I'd no choice but to swerve into the bus lane.

AGAIN.

Gadgie

There's a bus lane sign up just before the lane starts, and it's painted on the road within the bus lane.

merlante

Daysha wrote: »

Are there even any signs erected saying that that stretch of road markings towards Newtown is in fact a bus lane? I was driving home for the first time in ages over the weekend so this was all new to me and I couldn't figure out for the life of me what that section was there for.

Good point. There are of course signs in the book to indicate such things. When you don't use the signs it's almost as if you're not sure whether you really want to go ahead with the whole thing or not...

Daysha

Are there even any signs erected saying that that stretch of road markings towards Newtown is in fact a bus lane? I was driving home for the first time in ages over the weekend so this was all new to me and I couldn't figure out for the life of me what that section was there for.

Cabaal

dayshah wrote: »

Wow, they manage to block the cycle lane and the footpath!!!

Its a skill, but something 4x4 drivers are really great at

I hope the Gardaí enforce them, and the city council can make a tidy profit by ticketing such vehicles. Then with the money they can invest in better bike and bus lanes.

No solid white line on the cycle lane so cars can enter it, as for parking...unless Waterford City Council put up a sign showing when its in use and that cars can not park in them during those hours I don't see how anything can be enforced

merlante

Cycle lane on the bend of the Newtown rd. was a carpark when I passed it on Saturday...

If they are going to do this seriously, can't they slap tickets on each and every car until people get the message. At the moment the situation is looking very Irish: the rule says one thing but everyone knows it's fine to do another.

dayshah

jayboi wrote: »

I actually think the road is too narrow for dividing poles, if a large articulated truck comes against you id say you and him need to enter the cycle lanes the road is that narrow!

After some thought I believe that hole cycle/bus lane thing is an elaborate plan by Fiat to force us all to buy Cinquecentos as their the only cars that can fit on the road properly!!!

You could put in the poles and maybe ban artics from the road.

Where do artics that use that road go? Probably just out to Lidl/Ardkeen Stores/Tescos. They could take a long detour around the new road maybe.

The poles would make it safer for cylists, and prevent illegal parking.

jayboi

Sully wrote: »

if a footpath clearly marked out isn't suitable they could ask the council to put dividing pools between the driving lane and cycle lane?

I actually think the road is too narrow for dividing poles, if a large articulated truck comes against you id say you and him need to enter the cycle lanes the road is that narrow!

After some thought I believe that hole cycle/bus lane thing is an elaborate plan by Fiat to force us all to buy Cinquecentos as their the only cars that can fit on the road properly!!!

19.5V

deisemum wrote: »

There was uproar with old lads and old wans on Billy McCarthy's show a few years ago because they were getting parking fines for parking illegally opposite St. Joseph's & Benildus while they were at 10am mass.

We all know what "turning a blind eye" to the laws of the state can lead to, especially in the R.C. church

Sully

Its a good idea but just keeping it at that end of the city seems daft. The cork road and quays need this badly but the Dunmore Road seems to be getting all the investment recently.

The new lanes seem awfully confusing, for a while I thought I was in the wrong lane! I guess we will get used to it but the guards need to keep an eye and ticket cars parked illegally or driving in them illegally. Perhaps, for the cycle lane, if a footpath clearly marked out isn't suitable they could ask the council to put dividing pools between the driving lane and cycle lane?

deisemum

Poochie05 wrote: »

Do you not know that people going to mass have special dispensation to park illegally:rolleyes:. It would be a brave traffic warden who would ticket cars while their owners are exercising their divine right!

There was uproar with old lads and old wans on Billy McCarthy's show a few years ago because they were getting parking fines for parking illegally opposite St. Joseph's & Benildus while they were at 10am mass.

Odats

Poochie05 wrote: »

Do you not know that people going to mass have special dispensation to park illegally:rolleyes:. It would be a brave traffic warden who would ticket cars while their owners are exercising their divine right!

The chocolate soldiers have been giving parking fines to people going to mass in Ballybricken for a couple of years as it is all pay n display. Heard of it a good few times.

19.5V

Poochie05 wrote: »

Do you not know that people going to mass have special dispensation to park illegally:rolleyes:. It would be a brave traffic warden who would ticket cars while their owners are exercising their divine right!

Yea I head that some time ago, it may be challanged now that the world has changed outside this particular church, I imagine that this law was ok when we drove ass and carts

I suppose its one of many nod-and-wink agreements with the black and blue uniforms.

Poochie05

19.5V wrote: »

Looks as if when God is holding court cycle lanes are but an earthly thing and not so important as to prevent peolpe from parking as close to the church door as is possible, I think God loves everyone, even those who drive 4x4's

Do you not know that people going to mass have special dispensation to park illegally:rolleyes:. It would be a brave traffic warden who would ticket cars while their owners are exercising their divine right!

Odats

Trotter wrote: »

Every single time in the last 2 days, I've seen traffic coming over the line at that spot and I've had to swerve left into the bus lane to avoid the traffic thats coming into my lane in the opposite direction.

The cars parked in the bus lane mean that a cyclist has to come out into the already very narrow car lane. That means every driver has to watch the cyclists even more carefully now because they are going to have to come out in front of the cars.

In terms of the schools on the Park Road, its all very well saying that children can now get the bus, and parents cant park on the road at all etc.

What about the parents that don't live on the Dunmore road, have kids in the primary school, and have to collect them every day?

Is everyone now going to put their 5/6/7/8 year old on a bus and wave them off to school alone every day because they cant get near the school to drop or collect them? No.

We now have spent a fortune on a green route that must accomodate cars being parked in the cycle lanes and drop off / collection time for schools. That completely defeats the purpose.

There were better ways to do this.

The mind boggles. :rolleyes:

Very good point, plus there's is alot of business' up that way accountants, solicitors, HSE have the adoption agency up that way (Talking at least 50-75 employees in those business with only one having accomodation for employee and client parking being Nolan Farrell & Goff Solicitors), there's a right of way at the back of the St Andrew's Tce houses with parking for maybe two cars per house. Corporation didn't think about it from the business perspective also with those business's paying rates and clients not being able to park outside/near them. Priest in Benildus not the PP but the older lad isn't the most accommodating when it comes to parking either as it is Church property and rightly so especially when there's funerals and mass (an also potential problem especially big funerals) where are the mourners going to park. I think it was sheer madness myself and think that they cannot go back on it now. What I think will happen is the old Maxol garage on the Dunmore Road or the new carpark behind the Uluru will be turned into a park n ride facility. The Maxol garage would take some time and would probably get objections from serial objector. To implement this green route the Corporation haven't put in the supporting infrastructure behind it to make it work.