johnwoods wrote: » Really???? I guess I had naively assumed that the speed provided by those thieves on the NGB uncontended line would be your current maximum, ie thought i'd get the 680K/sec ALL the time... I'm only an Eircom customer for the last month and I am in disbelief. They have a dismal service, they should be forced to append "in the middle of the night." to their current "Up to 7mb" slogan. They must be breaking advertising laws, if not technically then surely ethically?! Like I said in my previous post... I knew their service was terrible and wanted to go with Magnet, but had to have Eircom provide me with a phone line first (due to their monopoly) and at this point I was immediately contracted for 6 Months with Eircom. To go with Magnet after the line installation I had to either break contract and pay Eircom 6 months line rental for NOTHING, or go with Eircom.... so I went with Eircom. Never Again.
tullie wrote: » Apologies if this is the wrong section to ask, but how do I find out what speed of connection my eircom line can support, having issues with the wireless speed or lack thereof.
BaldiePablo wrote: » You should be able to log into your router and it should tell you. Sorry dont know the modem IP address but you should find it somewhere online ...
DeepBlue wrote: » It's http://192.168.1.254 but that will only tell him the speed of the eircom package he's currently on. It won't tell him the max speed his telephone line can support which might be more or less than that.
BaldiePablo wrote: » As noted by someone else above, this is an increase for most eircom customers and no busy hour slow-down. Very hard for me to see an issue with this!
BaldiePablo wrote: » When you go to NGB you'll get your highest achievable speed 'up to' 8Mb .... not your lowest 'consistant' speed
bk wrote: » Ok, let's do the maths on this marketing bs, shall we? Lets say you are currently on only 1mb/s, as this is all your line can take and you are paying €46 per month. But at least Eircom doesn't currently enforce the cap, so you can effectively download up to 316 GB in one month (at 1mb/s). Under this new product, you will be moved to "upto" 8mb/s, but since your line is only capable of 1mb, you won't actually get any faster speed. But now you have a 10GB cap, go over it and your charged €2 extra per GB, up to an extra €50 per month. Last month if you downloaded 300GB you paid €46 Next month if you download 300GB you will pay €96 That is an almost a doubling in price. This is a sneaky and underhand way for Eircom to get more money out of people while dressing it up in marketing BS about getting faster speeds that most people won't benefit from. Actually I've read the Eircom wholesale documentation on the new product located here: http://www.eircomwholesale.ie/ and it actually doesn't say either way what people will get. Reading this document it is clear that this is NOT an uncontended 1:1 product, don't kid yourself, Eircom are simply moving peolple around between different VLANs. Lets make this abundantly clear, Eircom aren't laying a single extra meter of fibre optic cable to achieve this, nor are they installing a single extra DSLAM. Not a single piece of physical Eircom networking gear has changed since last month. They are simply moving people around different VLANs on existing in place fibre, in areas where there was spare capacity available. As johnwoods mentioned a few posts back, some of the largest exchanges right bang in the middle of Dublin city center like the north main exchange, aren't part of this NGB, which you would normally expect they would. The reason is the fibre to these exchanges is already at capacity and Eircom will need to spend actual money running new fibre to these exchanges in order to move them to a similar product. But lets be clear Eircom don't want to actually spend any money on this, they just want to launch a new bs marketing campaign and milk more money out of unsuspecting victims.
Sarn wrote: » One of the lucky ones here. The speeds are consistently high. The cap is the biggest problem that I have. 30 GB disappears rapidly when downloading games. The benefits of being about 800 m from the exchange.
bk wrote: » Fie, foh, fum, I smell the blood of an Eircom employee/shill. No seriously, BaldiePablo hasn't posted on boards.ie in over two years and the last time he posted he was also accused of being an Eircom shill:http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=54438361&postcount=60 Suddenly he is back with an avalanche of pro Eircom posts.
thelastangryman wrote: » In fairness I got the same info from one of the sales lads a while back about the max cost of 50 euro as I posted .
bk wrote: » No, that isn't the reason I think he is an Eircom employee, it is my mod spider sense that tells me he is Basically over two year ago he was accused of being an Eircom shill after a similar series of posts and right after the accusation he disappeared for two years from boards. Then suddenly he is back and in the space of 24 hours posts 12 pro Eircom posts. It just doesn't smell right. Not that there is anything wrong with an Eircom employee posting here or the employee of any ISP, in fact they are welcome. However if they are going to be posting about their own or competitors products, then it is only fair that they declare who they work for.
johnwoods wrote: » just wanted to get an opinion from you guys... I live in the city centre and I was checking out the NGB coverage map where it shows the currently covered and proposed covered areas (in the green and blue) for some reason there are tiny pockets of the city centre just not coloured at all neither green nor blue... I am in one of those tiny areas (Just off O'Connell street)
johnwoods wrote: » I am on the 7mb package and its absolutely DESPICABLE, I get about 1mb a sec the majority of the time, and I have near perfect Line Attenuation 21db and superb SNR about 19db, no crc errors, good ping and 7mb speeds during the middle of the night so its PURELY contention and Eircom's committed attitude to providing a substandard service. ... John
bk wrote: » Ok, let's do the maths on this marketing bs, shall we? Lets say you are currently on only 1mb/s, as this is all your line can take and you are paying €46 per month. But at least Eircom doesn't currently enforce the cap, so you can effectively download up to 316 GB in one month (at 1mb/s). Under this new product, you will be moved to "upto" 8mb/s, but since your line is only capable of 1mb, you won't actually get any faster speed. But now you have a 10GB cap, go over it and your charged €2 extra per GB, up to an extra €50 per month. Last month if you downloaded 300GB you paid €46 Next month if you download 300GB you will pay €96 That is an almost a doubling in price.
bk wrote: » This is a sneaky and underhand way for Eircom to get more money out of people while dressing it up in marketing BS about getting faster speeds that most people won't benefit from. Actually I've read the Eircom wholesale documentation on the new product located here: http://www.eircomwholesale.ie/ and it actually doesn't say either way what people will get. Reading this document it is clear that this is NOT an uncontended 1:1 product, don't kid yourself, Eircom are simply moving peolple around between different VLANs. Lets make this abundantly clear, Eircom aren't laying a single extra meter of fibre optic cable to achieve this, nor are they installing a single extra DSLAM. Not a single piece of physical Eircom networking gear has changed since last month. They are simply moving people around different VLANs on existing in place fibre, in areas where there was spare capacity available.
bk wrote: » As johnwoods mentioned a few posts back, some of the largest exchanges right bang in the middle of Dublin city center like the north main exchange, aren't part of this NGB, which you would normally expect they would.
bk wrote: » The reason is the fibre to these exchanges is already at capacity and Eircom will need to spend actual money running new fibre to these exchanges in order to move them to a similar product. But lets be clear Eircom don't want to actually spend any money on this, they just want to launch a new bs marketing campaign and milk more money out of unsuspecting victims.
Sponge Bob wrote: » Baldie forgot to mention that eircom can only switch 50gbits in their network core which means that they can only concurrently handle 50000 1mbit users uncontended. Most of their users are on 3mbits or higher, uncontended network my hole
justatechy wrote: » I would point out that most users are not power users who max out their connections daily.
Cryos wrote: » Cherryghost, In terms of NGB i didnt find a place on the site that says "Its only going to be in major parts, now sod off" It does say for me here in wicklow that, at this point its not available but eircom may expand in the future (presumably when the correct links are upgraded downstream). Just as justatechy states, running an infrastructure of scale and capacity like Eircom's takes carefull planning; Just like is stated this sort of stuff costs a whole heap to upgrade, you will naturally see major area's benefit first because the density of customers is much much more. Im sure if Mr. Lenehan handed Eircom a few Billion that NGB would have a huge coverge rate (98%++). The thing is, its all fine saying "Yeh roll out this sucker out in the morning" and genuinely i think eircom or any ISP would be like "Hell Yeah" but there is a reality and that is cost and this isnt normally concidered. Eircom is a business afterall, im sure AnPost would love the fastest, highest capacity vans for everywhere + replaces their fleet the week a new Van comes out, in this case vans are retired in a phased basis and replaced with new ones. oh so i dont get accused: These comments are my own and do not represent that of my employer (HP)
cherryghost wrote: » Mate theres 2 colours, one for implemented and one for plans by August. Most of the country has neither. I rang eircom earlier and they said my exchange isnt even being considered for this. Not now, not in the future either. So yeah, make that whatever way you want.
yet here in 2010 you have a broadband service.
Cryos wrote: » Im very sure that back in 2003 eircom service desk / sales would of told you the same thing about your Exchange, yet here in 2010 you have a broadband service.
Owwmykneecap wrote: » That's debatable.
teddy b123 wrote: » yeah only 7 years from no broadband to broadband :P so we can expect to see the NGB rolled out to the whole country in hmm lets see, 2017?
cherryghost wrote: » lulz. I still find it unacceptable that they cannot give any sort of timeframe to sort the issue.
Owwmykneecap wrote: » If they didn't have the capacity they shouldnt have sold all those 7 meg packages. I'd take my consistent 3 meg package over this rubbish any day. If eircom had any competition they would never have allowed it to get this bad.
