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Boards.ie wins battle with Brady

Winty

After our very successful debate on Monday about whether Sean Brady committed a crime, he has come out with a sycophantic and weak apology but has not yet offered to resign.

203 people so far ( 97% ) want Brady punished.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055855125

So today’s vote is a call on Mr. Dooley to resign.

The next subject must be Maurice Dooley insisted yesterday he would not report child sex abuse to Gardai if a pedophile priest confided his crimes to him.

This is not a forum to express anger against the RCC or Cannon Law; it’s simply whether Maurice should be forced out.

I would like to hear from anyone who knows him or has heard him speak from the alter.

The press does fellow After Hours so our response will be mirrored in the press.

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Jip

It is indeed hilarious, but scarily so when you see the attitude of people like Outrage, it's frightening that some people feel the need to defend them, it's not media hysteria, it's fact as reported by Brady himself, he admitted he knew about it and said nothing.

General Zod

Outrage wrote: »

Clutching at straws there. Some journo hack writes about some obscure law and tries to skew an article so as to nail him on some technicality, and next thing this elusive law (that nobody seems to be able to quote) is being bandied about all over the internet. I'm sure the DPP is really interested.

Actually it was Colm O'Gorman raising it in his Today FM interview where I heard of it first.

Let's face facts. Brady aided an investigation which ensured that no scandal came to the church ahead of seeing a paedophile brought to justice.

old_aussie

Winty wrote: »

After our very successful debate on Monday.

So, boards .ie had a mass debate did they.

Did anyone get off on this?

Vigilantes all.

Outrage

General Zod wrote: »

Actually it was Colm O'Gorman raising it in his Today FM interview where I heard of it first.

Let's face facts. Brady aided an investigation which ensured that no scandal came to the church ahead of seeing a paedophile brought to justice.

Like I said: I'm sure the DPP is *really* interested in making a case against the Primate of All Ireland at the time, Cardinal Conway and Uachtarain na hEireann at the time, Cearbhall Ó Dálaigh. (both of whom are dead). Maybe pissing on their graves might satisfy you?

Winty

old_aussie wrote: »

So, boards .ie had a mass debate did they.

Did anyone get off on this?

Vigilantes all.

Thanks for the input Aussie, very helpful

Run_to_da_hills

Vegeta wrote: »

Reported

How Christian of you to turn the other cheek

There is no such thing as a Roman Catholic Christian, its a contradiction in terms.

Winty

To stay with the subject, does anyone have any personal connection with Monsignor Dooley? Do you know him or have you been to a Mass or service with him on the alter?

What is he like, he comes across as a cruel man in the press

Vegeta

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

There is no such thing as a Roman Catholic Christian, its a contradiction in terms.

I purposefully didn't make the assumption that they were Roman Catholic, unlike you

General Zod

Outrage wrote: »

Like I said: I'm sure the DPP is *really* interested in making a case against the Primate of All Ireland at the time, Cardinal Conway and Uachtarain na hEireann at the time, Cearbhall Ó Dálaigh. (both of whom are dead). Maybe pissing on their graves might satisfy you?

why would I want to miturate on a grave?

You're spinning so fast I should attach my washing and get it dried for free.

Daly helped cover for a paedophile. Facts are facts.

Outrage

I'm sure you hold everyone else in society to the same level of accountability? You'd better start lobbying your local TD to spend 50% of GDP on new prisons for every town in Ireland for any officer/executive/team leader/manager who was in any way connected with any organisation that fiddled children. While you're in his office, tell him he'll need to go to prison too. Sure once we've cut this cancer from society, we will be sinless and nothing bad will ever happen again... Fact.

Hagar

So what's your plan? Do nothing?

General Zod

Outrage wrote: »

I'm sure you hold everyone else in society to the same level of accountability? You'd better start lobbying your local TD to spend 50% of GDP on new prisons for every town in Ireland for any officer/executive/team leader/manager who was in any way connected with any organisation that fiddled children. While you're in his office, tell him he'll need to go to prison too. Sure once we've cut this cancer from society, we will be sinless and nothing bad will ever happen again... Fact.

I counterracted the claim you made that Brady broke no law, when in fact he did.

Now, keep up your argumentum ad absurdum all you want, but the fact remains Brady aided in the silencing of two children abused by Smyth. He swore them to an oath of secrecy, and rather than going to the police, he stuck to canon law (which exists to protect the church and nothing else).

It's not up to me to decide wether Brady still has a legal case to answer, but he still has his conscious to answer to.

Winty

69 wrote: »

So what's your plan? Do nothing?

Very simple but yet very powerful statment, answer please Outrage what is your master plan

Vegeta

Outrage wrote: »

I'm sure you hold everyone else in society to the same level of accountability? You'd better start lobbying your local TD to spend 50% of GDP on new prisons for every town in Ireland for any officer/executive/team leader/manager who was in any way connected with any organisation that fiddled children. While you're in his office, tell him he'll need to go to prison too. Sure once we've cut this cancer from society, we will be sinless and nothing bad will ever happen again... Fact.

Entertaining stuff, keep it coming.

Thursday cant pass quickly enough but with gems like this the day will go that bit quicker

MaybeLogic

Winty wrote: »

Very simple but yet very powerful statment, answer please Outrage what is your master plan

With all due respect, doing nothing is about one step removed from conducting a poll on After Hours. It's hardly a masterplan.

Outrage

General Zod wrote: »

It's not up to me to decide wether Brady still has a legal case to answer, but he still has his conscious to answer to.

I have no doubt that the man sleeps soundly at night (not just because he puts in incredible hours for a man of 71). If he had even the most minor thing on his conscience, I have no doubt that he'd act to cleanse his soul as a matter of priority. Holding such a responsible position pretty much requires that you are constantly in a state of grace. I'm not saying he's perfect, but he is quite obviously highly regarded by both the Church and those in his diocese and I have no doubt that the man continually strives for perfection in everything he does.

Winty

Vegeta wrote: »

Entertaining stuff, keep it coming.

Thursday cant pass quickly enough but with gems like this the day will go that bit quicker

Outrage should by right be banned but I want him to stay for his comedy value alone

Winty

Outrage wrote: »

Holding such a responsible position requires that you are constantly in a state of grace.

O Matron, I am in a state of grace, can I have a bed bath

Cheap Thrills!

This is some funny sh!t !

Hagar

MaybeLogic wrote: »

With all due respect, doing nothing is about one step removed from conducting a poll on After Hours. It's hardly a masterplan.

Not exactly true. There is a very good chance the media are picking up on this and that it will become an indicator of public opinion which the politicians will find hard to ignore and hopefully will force them to act in the face of quantifiable public outrage.

Vegeta

Winty wrote: »

Outrage should by right be banned but I want him to stay for his comedy value alone

It was more fun initially when I thought he was serious

General Zod

Outrage wrote: »

I have no doubt that the man sleeps soundly at night (not just because he puts in incredible hours for a man of 71).

I doubt he's put in a hard days work a day of his life.

If he had even the most minor thing on his conscience, I have no doubt that he'd act to cleanse his soul as a matter of priority.

Pity he didn't regard reporting a paedophile to the Gardai as a matter of priority.

I'm not saying he's perfect, but he is quite obviously highly regarded by both the Church and those in his diocese and I have no doubt that the man continually strives for perfection in everything he does.

well, when's he next up for election by members of his congregation?

MaybeLogic

69 wrote: »

Not exactly true. There is a very good chance the media are picking up on this and that it will become an indicator of public opinion which the politicians will find hard to ignore and hopefully will force them to act in the face of quantifiable public outrage.

I think the media (well the newspapers anyway, that's the only Irish media I'm accessing atm) are well on top of this.
But you're right, this poll could be the tipping point.

My name is URL

What would his resignation achieve? If anything he should stay on and speak up against the systems the church's hierarchy has for dealing with things like this

If he resigns that'll be that.. until the next time some ugly secret emerges, and we'll be calling for someone else to resign then too.. without anything ever changing

if he had an ounce of dignity he'd call for a meeting with the Vatican to discuss the processes of Canon Law and wait to either be forced out by the Pope or have the concerns raised by people addressed and dealt with

m@cc@

Outrage wrote: »

Sure once we've cut this cancer from society, we will be sinless and nothing bad will ever happen again... Fact.

The arguing of a toddler. I guess we shouldn't prosecute drunk drivers because people will get stabbed in the street anyway.

Wibbs

General Zod wrote: »

Let's face facts. Brady aided an investigation which ensured that no scandal came to the church ahead of seeing a paedophile brought to justice.

While I take the point of canon law and how this applied to people in the church, not taking this further was a lack of moral courage. Not just with this person, but with many in the church hierarchy. A separation of church law and the civil law in matters such as this is going to be dangerous. Doubly so in the Ireland of the past where much of our civil law was dictated by the same religious organisation.

I also see where he felt his hands were tied. People approached him, not the state. So that he and the moral and canon legal mechanism of the church could be trusted to clean house. OK fine, but clearly it didnt and couldnt be trusted. They kept it in house and did little to stop things like this. This much is fact. As a bishop, his responsibilities should have lain with the moral character of the church he represented, never mond the moral implications of the abuse of the most vulnerable in his care. The word bishop means overseer and he didn't oversee enough.

Outrage wrote: »

I have no doubt that the man sleeps soundly at night (not just because he puts in incredible hours for a man of 71). If he had even the most minor thing on his conscience, I have no doubt that he'd act to cleanse his soul as a matter of priority.

Only if he believes it to be a mark on his soul. Ignorance is bliss in such a situation.

Holding such a responsible position requires that you are constantly in a state of grace.

To ascribe the notion of being constantly in a state of grace to a human being is dubious as far as the church itself would think it. That's sainthood territory and we're well past the time in the churches history when they were handing them out like smarties..

I'm not saying he's perfect,

Apparently you are. "Constantly in a state of grace".

but he is quite obviously highly regarded by both the Church and those in his diocese and I have no doubt that the man continually strives for perfection in everything he does.

It does boil down viewpoint. If you take the viewpoint that his responsibility was to the mechanism of the church and its laws then yes he did the "right" thing, but if you take the viewpoint that his responsibility was first and foremost to be a moral guide for his flock, when then he most certainly did not. The canon law excuse is just that, an excuse. Cast back as an example the founder of the faith. Moneylenders and hawkers were sanctioned by the church authorities in the temple in Jerusalem. Jesus could have stood back and said "well it is the law and sanctioned by the elders". Nope he started taking names and kicking arses. What do you think the same Jesus would have done if faced with familes coming to him telling him one of his trusted flock were abusing children? I think the word shítstorm wouldn't begin to describe it.

Outrage

m@cc@ wrote: »

The arguing of a toddler. I guess we shouldn't prosecute drunk drivers because people will get stabbed in the street anyway.

Your mammy must have taken you to the dentist the day they taught hyperbole?

Outrage

General Zod wrote: »

well, when's he next up for election by members of his congregation?

Since when does the Church claim to be a democracy?

General Zod

My name is URL wrote: »

What would his resignation achieve? If anything he should stay on and speak up against the systems the church's hierarchy has for dealing with things like this

If he resigns that'll be that.. until the next time some ugly secret emerges, and we'll be calling for someone else to resign then too.. without anything ever changing

You're absolutely right. We should dismantle the entire church in Ireland, sell off their property and let us move as a society into the future together.

hooradiation

Rosco1982 wrote: »

Trial by Boards.

Excellent. :rolleyes:

This is the most terrifying thing i've read all day.

Jesus tittyfucking christ