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Is films with very young kids using guns/weapons a step too far?

Biggins

Question: Is films with very young kids using guns/weapons a step too far?

There is a film coming out in April (Kick Ass) that is going to cause a serious crap load of debate. Why? Just see these two clips below!
Watch them then tell me what you think.
Seriously, it looks like a kick ass film (no pun intended) and according to some early reviews, the acting by most (especially the young girl) is outstanding.
See this review here for example:

Hit-Girl is going to make the Daily Mail schit kittens.

The British tabloids will most likely have a field day with the character. They'll ignore the fact that her depiction is as much of a challenge to the sexualisation of any female icon by society, or that that she has the films' best scenes with her on-screen father Damon Macready (played lovingly by Nicolas Cage), which manage to be sweet, endearing and blackly comic.
I'd already heard that Chloe Moretz is a revelation as Hit-Girl/Mindy Macready, but I had no idea exactly how fantastic her performance would be. She plays the young daughter with the same adeptness that she portrays the superhero assassin and, my god, is ‘assassin' the word. The problem is she's 12. Just her age raises an issue, but her performance is a work of perfection, never feeling mawkish or twee, and will call upon a thousand comparisons (and rightly so) to Natalie Portman in Leon. There's still going to be quite a debate arising from her performance, though.

Source: HERE

Anyway, the trailer...

Is this a step too far, just in the name of entertainment?

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rovert

starbelgrade wrote: »

'City of God' features a lot of kids with guns. It's a harrowing story but well worth watching.. one of the best films I've ever seen - the documentary that comes with the DVD is even more disturbing as it's a 100% real life look at the gangland sh*t that still goes on in Rio de Janeiro to this day.

The esteemed Daily Mail doesnt watch that foriegn muck

mikom

RIODEJ wrote: »

Kids imitate what they see, kids see wrestling on tv, they try wrestling their classmates. so were does it end, teenagers see rape on tv, some of them may thing its acceptable, not only kids learn through imitation and what they see and read.

Kids watch the Late Late with Tubridy, they try clumsily and soulessly interviewing their classmates.......

Biggins

mikom wrote: »

Kids watch the Late Late with Tubridy, they try clumsily and soulessly interviewing their classmates.......

:pac:

They might be doing a better job of it than than the other muppet!

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Biggins wrote: »

In Ireland, I'm assuming/guessing 16+ (very open to be wrong).

For the record, I'm looking forward to seeing it myself - but as a parent of four young kids, am I compromising my ethical and moral principles for the sake of sheer entertainment?
Its a (daft?) internal battle that keeps knocking at the door of my conscience.

Watch the film.... What's the problem? If you force your children to watch it, I can see there being a problem.

Dudess wrote: »

I used to love Bugsy Malone as a kid and I turned out all right...

That's your opinion, and that doesn't count

starbelgrade wrote: »

'City of God' features a lot of kids with guns. It's a harrowing story but well worth watching.. one of the best films I've ever seen - the documentary that comes with the DVD is even more disturbing as it's a 100% real life look at the gangland sh*t that still goes on in Rio de Janeiro to this day.

Another film, called "Johnny Mad Dog", based on true events. Children forced to kill their own parents and then drafted into an army to fight a war.

Asmodean wrote: »

Ah look now to be honest if a kid is 'Motivated' by a film to grab a handgun and run onto the streets shooting people chances are they were always going to do it no matter what media 'influenced' them.

If you believe that we are immune to certain influences then you are very very wrong. Especially when the body and mind are still developing. You are wide open to all kinds of influences.

I grew up watching violent films / playing violent computer games etc etc ( I know technically I shouldn't have because I was underage ) and I grew up absolutely fine!

It may not make you do it, but you are only one in 6 billion, and that's just not big enough of a sample size. Also, that's your opinion of yourself, which doesn't count

TBH I think it actually helped my imagination / mind to develop more because I wasn't blinkered with an oversaturation to 'Kid friendly' sources of media.

There's a reason why the DVD is labeled 18. You are not supposed to watch it. Simple.

In all fairness a hell of a lot of people aren't going to see this trailer and think " Oh good Lord how terribly impressionable on the youth of today to have children portrayed as crime fighting vigilantes." They are going to say " Wow that looks sort of unique and interesting, gotta go see it when it comes out."

:rolleyes:

xsiborg wrote: »

what next?

"three men diddle a little lady", because its funny, in name of "entertainment"?

3 men cheat a little lady? What's wrong with that exactly?

children with guns is not any way "funny" in any respect, much less a father taking pot shots at his daughter!

Ah, but it is funny...

i hope this doesn't even go straight to DVD, but any hopes of en masse distribution are dashed thanks to the internet and video sharing sites!

Ah, somebody doesn't like something so wants to ruin it for everyone. Nobody is forcing you to watch it, so don't fcuking watch it, but let anyone who does want to watch it, WATCH IT!

im in no way a mary whitehouse advocate but is there no line we won't cross in the name of "entertainment"?

I have no idea who Mary Whitehouse is, but if she is for censorship, nanny states and banning of any "inapropiate" material, then I think you may be in some ways just like Mary Whitehouse.

RIODEJ wrote: »

I believe the media in europe are very irresponsible

I love a good action film but all this content isnt suitable for kids, thats why the world has got so violent, many people are very disrespectful to others in general.

It's not aimed at kids, it's aimed at adults. The more people understand this simple fact, the better.

Many films have content such as sex, bad language, sadistic acts, horror, rape. all done with intense special effects to make them look 100% real and often 100% acceptable.

Not all of it is acceptable, some of it is outright banned. Thanks to the internet though, it doesn't matter if it's banned or not, you can still watch it. Let people of age, watch what they want to watch.

Kids of 10/12 are watching this even when its rated 18. This has negative effects on the minds of kids and adults too. Kids and people learn new things from what they see

Kids of 10/12 are drinking alcohol and smoking even when those products are rated 18, should we ban tobacco and alcohol to sort that mess out? The onus is not on the producers, but on parents and resellers.

In sweden tv ads targeted at kids are not allowed. i think this is great, ads brainwashing kids with silly toys and sweets etc is unhealthy, then they go into a shop and drive their parents mad when they see a lolly pop that was glamourised on a tv ad. The media and adults in general need to be more responsible and not be always embracing the pollution of capitalism and greed

It's a pretty good idea. Children can have massive buying power, believe it or not, even though they may have no money. That would be a move I would definately be happy with. Reduce the amount of adverts, especially the sale of toys and sweets, directed towards young children.

rovert wrote: »

The esteemed Daily Mail doesnt watch that foriegn muck

You obviously haven't watched it, it's far from "foreign muck"...

aDeener

Biggins wrote: »

"Aaa... I'm just fcuking with you daddy"
and
"Ok you cnuts, lets see what you can do now!"
Now that in a trailer from a supposedly appearing sweet 12 year old, I wasn't expecting! :pac:

...but still, the gun/weapons issue has me uneasy.

you are easily made uneasy

rovert

Kaiden Icy Moth wrote: »

You obviously haven't watched it, it's far from "foreign muck"...

*facepalms*

:rolleyes:

Bottle_of_Smoke

Meh, don't think its gonna be a bad influence on kids, certainly no more than a normal film portraying people with guns.

And its not a step to far. Another film with Nicholas Cage showed child soldiers in Liberia/Sierra Leone (Lord of War) Also blood diamond with di Caprio

Demonique

xsiborg wrote: »

what next?

"three men diddle a little lady", because its funny, in name of "entertainment"?

children with guns is not any way "funny" in any respect, much less a father taking pot shots at his daughter!

i hope this doesn't even go straight to DVD, but any hopes of en masse distribution are dashed thanks to the internet and video sharing sites!

im in no way a mary whitehouse advocate but is there no line we won't cross in the name of "entertainment"?

FFS, please take the stick out of your arse and quite whinging, is your name Helen Lovejoy by any chance?

AnonoBoy wrote: »

But yes I expect a Joe Duffy programme devoted to this as some idiot parents will ignore the certs and take their kids to it on the basis that it's a superhero film and "Joe, aren't all superhero films for the kids? And sure I'm too thick and f*cking lazy to do my job as a parent and supervise the films my kid watches so instead I'm going to be outraged after the fact and make a non-sensical argument using whatever sh*te logic comes into my head. Won't somebody think of the children????!!!!!"

Reminds me of the Watchmen debacle in the US, people ignored the certs and brought their kids to the superhero movie and then whinged about the blue penis

And some moron in SFX magazine whining that whilst he allowed his kid to watch 18 rated movies on DVD, Watchmen was far too violent (Daddy saw it in the cinema) and he didn't feel he should have to explain to his son that he couldn't see it

RIODEJ wrote: »

I believe the media in europe are very irresponsible

I love a good action film but all this content isnt suitable for kids, thats why the world has got so violent, many people are very disrespectful to others in general.

In sweden tv ads targeted at kids are not allowed. i think this is great, ads brainwashing kids with silly toys and sweets etc is unhealthy, then they go into a shop and drive their parents mad when they see a lolly pop that was glamourised on a tv ad. The media and adults in general need to be more responsible and not be always embracing the pollution of capitalism and greed

Quick, someone get that picture of BAWWWW Bunny!

FFS, well don't bring your frakking kids to see violent movies and don't give into the little whining ****s when they nag for sweets then!

rovert wrote: »

The esteemed Daily Fail doesnt watch that foriegn muck

FYP

Dudess

Re my Bugsy Malone comment:

Kaiden Icy Moth wrote: »

That's your opinion, and that doesn't count

1. It's not an opinion.
2. It was a joke.

Dave!

Looks like a good film to me actually

And it's hard for me to say that about any film with Nicholas Cage in it

Nevyn

RIODEJ wrote: »

I refer to the content kids have access/exposure to, tv, mags, porn, internet, violent films etc. It aint healthy for them.Its only in the last 10-20 years and is getting worse. Kids imitate what they see, kids see wrestling on tv, they try wrestling their classmates. so were does it end, teenagers see rape on tv, some of them may thing its acceptable, not only kids learn through imitation and what they see and read. The media are irresponsbile and are driven by money orientated greed. thats a fact

Parents need to be aware of what their children are exposed to and the effects on them. I don't expect other people to tell me what I should or should not let my children watch, read or play those are choices for me to make as a parent.

It is also my job to teach them that murder, rape ect are wrong, if the state was so concerned then they would run media awareness classes and dicussion in school and hold workshops for parents rather then restricting what adults can watch.

hidinginthebush

well if babies can shop in supermarkets, work in offices, be policemen and drink bottles of milk in bars in the interest of entertainment, why not use weapons?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzhoO7djeTc

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

rovert wrote: »

*facepalms*

:rolleyes:

Care to explain?

Dudess wrote: »

Re my Bugsy Malone comment:

1. It's not an opinion.
2. It was a joke.

1. It was a joke
2. It was a joke...

Jeez louise...

Thaedydal wrote: »

Parents need to be aware of what their children are exposed to and the effects on them. I don't expect other people to tell me what I should or should not let my children watch, read or play those are choices for me to make as a parent.

That sense of "I know what's best for my child and nobody can tell me differant" is probably the worst thing any parent can have, and it's quite laughable. If you think that everything you do as a parent is correct and nobody knows better, then you are going to make some seriously fcuking stupid choices.

There are reasons why there are laws governing the rent or sale of good to those below the recommended age. It's so parents have a guideline. It's also so other parents, who are too stupid and ignorant to raise children, don't make a complete fcuk up in open public.

Wether you like it or not Thaedydal, people do tell you what your children can watch, read or consume, on a daily basis...

If ye expose your children to adult content, on purpose then you are a seriously bad parent and don't understand the little we know about the human brain what so ever.

It is also my job to teach them that murder, rape ect are wrong, if the state was so concerned then they would run media awareness classes and dicussion in school and hold workshops for parents rather then restricting what adults can watch.

Why would you have a child, then rely on the state to do the parenting? That's your job, and your job alone...

rovert

Kaiden Icy Moth wrote: »

Care to explain?

Your sarcasm meter must be broken if you think:

The esteemed Daily Mail doesnt watch that foriegn muck

Was a legit post

Does this forum needs a sarcasm tag for someone people or what?

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

rovert wrote: »

Your sarcasm meter must be broken if you think:

Was a legit post

Does this forum needs a sarcasm tag for someone people or what?

With the amount of shít comments, the unreal opinions and out of this world beliefs that some people have, it's not difficult to understand why I thought you were serious

Sarcasm is difficult to pick up in a normal thread, without the use of smilies etc etc, and especially in AH.

rovert

Kaiden Icy Moth wrote: »

With the amount of shít comments, the unreal opinions and out of this world beliefs that some people have, it's not difficult to understand why I thought you were serious

Sarcasm is difficult to pick up in a normal thread, without the use of smilies etc etc, and especially in AH.

Yeah as the Daily Mail is normally referred to as esteemed....

ashyle

Looks fab. I always feel strange after watching a film, where the kid actor has to do something even non-violent, ie swear/be around swearing.

betty_swallocks

i thought he just shot her lololololoooool

betty_swallocks

cant wait:D

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Biggins wrote: »

Question: Is films with very young kids using guns/weapons a step too far?

There is a film coming out in April (Kick Ass) that is going to cause a serious crap load of debate. Why? Just see these two clips below!
Watch them then tell me what you think.
Seriously, it looks like a kick ass film (no pun intended) and according to some early reviews, the acting by most (especially the young girl) is outstanding.
See this review here for example:

Source: HERE

Anyway, the trailer...

Is this a step too far, just in the name of entertainment?

Poster:

Isn;tthat the girl from Lazy town in the first clip...?

Biggins

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Isn;tthat the girl from Lazy town in the first clip...?

LOL The hair looks like her but no, its not.
The real girl from Lazytown now looks a LOT different and grown up.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

rovert wrote: »

Yeah as the Daily Mail is normally referred to as esteemed....

Again, this is AH, it would not surprise me.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Biggins wrote: »

LOL The hair looks like her but no, its not.
The real girl from Lazytown now looks a LOT different and grown up.

Yeah, I know, but it was the first thing that came into my mind!

FearDark

Thanks Biggins, this movie looks fantastic!

vicecreamsundae

no way is it a step too far. it's a movie, there are movies about all kinds of awful things like murders and rapes and genocides... why would a movie with a young assassin be a step to far?
I hadn;t heard of it before but i'm excited to see a movie featuring a young girl that's not about her discovering she's a princess or being a cheerleader or needing to be saved. i just hope when i see it it's as awesome as i am imagining it could be.