loctite wrote: » I would like to know what his stance is on alcohol consumption in Clare.... increase in assaults, murders, suicides...... and death....... I'm sick of this demonising of drugs and head shops. Its swings and round abouts. No matter what the substance Alcohol or Weed etc, there will always be people that will become dependent on it. There are countless numbers of assaults, murders, deaths, abuse and lives destroyed by alcohol, but yet I don't see anyone looking to ban Alcohol and close down pubs? There will always always always be a demand for drugs, and I think it is high time (no pun intended) society accepted this as fact. The major problem I have with "illegal" drugs is that it finances or its profits go to criminals. Head shops are now the opportunity to take the market off the criminals and legalise it, create tax revenues and not to criminalise those that use them.........
firesidechat wrote: » What part of " Sale of alcohol is regulated unlike the sale of drugs" do you not understand ?
firesidechat wrote: » True... Due to the economic benefit based around the alcohol industry it will always be accepted.
heathercat wrote: » That cannabis is less harmful than tobacco or alcohol has been the subject of many publications. However, most governments do not react to this. Whereas alcohol triggers aggressive behavior, cannabis induces a relaxed and sedate state. The medicinal effect of cannabis is well proven and in some countries (Canada, Austria, Germany, the Netherlands, Spain, Israel, Italy, Finnland, Portugal) medication based on cannabinoids are in use. It's obvious that the alcohol and tobacco lobby is much more powerful than the cannabis lobby. In my opinion that's what it boils down to. If the governments had any brains, they'd legalize cannabis, put a tax on it just like on the much more harmful drugs of alcohol and tobacco, and be done with it. *says and lights a fag in frustration* My 2 Eurocents worth....
Denerick wrote: » There is ample evidence linking pyschotic illnesses with cannibis, particularly the heavier 'skunk' variety. Not to mention paranoia, anxiety, panic attacks etc. etc. It depends on the person, but this argument that cannibis is 'perfectly safe' is demonstrably false.
FLievre wrote: » I myself use this shop and most products sold in it (apart for the powder for some reasons I can put stuff in my nose). Heap shops are great for quite a few reasons: Find legal ways to get a bit high Learn about drugs Only problem is the way some people will use these products. I lived in Amsterdam and Vancouver, biggest heap shops in the world. These shops should also be used to teach people how to use these products. I have seen an example very recently where someone I know bought some pills from there and wasn't feeling too good after taking them. I asked him what he has taken and he told me that he got the smilers. Which would be fine if the gy didn't have a hearth condition. If the staff could ask if the customers have any medical conditions and advise them on what to take and not I think that would help a lot. As for the "Concerned" parents... I will just have a quick word: Have you talk to your kids about drugs? Don't answer... I already know the answer... These shops are actually a great oportunity to talk and educate about drugs. I have kids myself and one who will be 17 this year. I rather would him to ask me about them and go to that shop with me and well maybe even try some with him rather than him going to a street drug dealer (or pusher). And also for the one who complain about these shops... If I ever see you dead drunk in a pub you will have some explaining to do... Remember Alcohol is a drug and freely available in Dunnes Stores!!
FLievre wrote: » That is the very point of the heap shops, the weeds sold in there are not grown inside and are not as dangerous as skunk. Effectively it is true that even if not skunk, mixing these weeds with other stuff can be harmful. This is why people needs to be adult about these and needs to get educated on drugs.
Balagan wrote: » Are you having a laugh?
Denerick wrote: » How do you know they are not as dangerous as skunk? Its this blasé attitude which is the problem. The long term damage from engineered brands of cannibis are only beginning to come to light now, 20 odd years down the line. drug studies need to understand both the short and long term effects. Brands like pulse or salvia are a cocktail of God knows what, with little or no scientific research behind them. God knows what you're actually putting into your body. Same goes for mephedrone (blow)
Balagan wrote: » I'd love to hear what your definition of the word 'adult' is.
FLievre wrote: » Same as booze... Fancy cutting that out?? Did you ever ask yourself what was in the Dutch gold or any other cheap liquids that kids can get for nearly nothing?
Denerick wrote: » Cop on. There's hundreds of years of scientific research which studies the long term effects of alcohol consumption. These engineered weed brands are simply not on the same level.
FLievre wrote: » Hundred of years of scientific research? Where was Stout invented and why? If you can answer that right I might take you seriously... If not... Hit the books...
golfball37 wrote: » Nirvana headshop was toriched overnight in Dublin. Is this the start of the backlash from the dealers? If head shops keep money away from teh people ordering all the murders in Limerick and Dublin then they are doing something right.
FLievre wrote: » For many centuries people have tried to get high one way or another. In europe it started with alcohol. In Orient and Africa it was with ash (Kif in local language) because of their religion. One way or another people will get high. The only thing we can do about it is to do it the right way. You can say what ever you want but it is safer to smoke a joint rather than take Xanax in case of insomnia still doctors in this country give xanax and valium like smarties.
FLievre wrote: » Are you two in a couple or something?? Have you seen what is in the cheap alcohol? Man, you're melted... Tell me do you two guys watch "Ear to the ground"? At the age of free informations anyone has access to the same info as you do... Let them chose for themselves... Who are you to say "ooohhhh it is bad for you, don't do that!", let people decide for themselves... And lagan, another comment on my son and I flame you... I haven't commented on your family, don't get me started...
Denerick wrote: » Its people like you I worry for. Salvia and the other engineered brands are a cocktails of cannaboid synthetics and are not simple weed or hash.
loctite wrote: » Well that being the case, maybe it would be more appropriate to be selling non synthetic cannaboids then, wouldn't it?? and Denerick, as far as a Father wishing to be there for his son, to offer him advice on drugs, should his son ever wish to experiment, I think it is admirable and incredibly inspiring that their relationship is such that they can have such a level of honesty between them, especially on such a socially taboo subject. In fact, I believe that if other parents attempted to do the same with the sacrosanct alcohol, we wouldn't have half as many public disorder problems as we do in this country.
