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Skoda Superb, wow.

Stevie Dakota

Put aside how it looks for a minute, I couldn't believe the spec on the Elagance, wanting for nothing at under €29K. That's unbelievable, now to find a way...

http://new.skoda-auto.com/IRL/Documents/New_Superb/Superb%20Price%20Spec.pdf

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Victor_M

junkyard wrote: »

Wow.........nine pages about a Skoda!! You guys need to get out more.:pac:

Ah leave us alone:D
I've spent the day looking at reviews and CBG at these, it's so much good car for the money. A remapped 170 and you are not really sacrificing anything. I'm struggling to think of a better (newish) car for the same amount of money.

flamegrill

Regardless of the negativity. I ordered one in December. I'd have it now except the weather is too bad here in Carlow/Kilkenny to go get her.

It's a savage car for the money.

themusicman

Just dropped in on this and am not a petrol head.

I have bought a superb and would say it as a family car that is as good as any family car I drove. It has acres of legroom in the back and a boot that you could sleep in. Would recomend it to anyone who does a bit of milage

I traded in a lexus IS200 for it!!!

Stop laughing

junkyard

themusicman wrote: »

Just dropped in on this and am not a petrol head.

I have bought a superb and would say it as a family car that is as good as any family car I drove. It has acres of legroom in the back and a boot that you could sleep in. Would recomend it to anyone who does a bit of milage

I traded in a lexus IS200 for it!!!

Stop laughing

Well at least you got rid of the Lexus I suppose, a sticky little motor to have on your forecourt.:)

Victor_M

flamegrill wrote: »

Regardless of the negativity. I ordered one in December. I'd have it now except the weather is too bad here in Carlow/Kilkenny to go get her.

It's a savage car for the money.

Any chance of spec and price? What sort of discounts should a potential purchaser expect to be getting?

RedorDead

colm_mcm wrote: »

You made the point earlier that the 1.6 or 1.9 versions of the A4 aren't representitive of the car. I think it's a shocking engine.

102 HP in a car that size is ridiculous and unsafe. That is clear. The 1.6 102 has now been dropped and replaced by the 1.8 in two states of tune - 120 BHP and 160 BHP - not going to set the world on fire but definitely more capable. The 120 TDI is fine as entry level diesel and adequate in terms of performance for what you need it in Ireland for - no more no less! As Matt said - its not Audis fault that customers all swarm to entry level. For a couple of thousand euro more you could get the 170TDI quattro but how many do you see on the roads?

colm_mcm wrote: »

I also don't like the way VW deliberately held back on the styling of the Superb so as not to tempt buyers from their other products.
The comparison between a Superb and a high spec A6 isn't fair, but a comparison between what Skoda do for €30k and what Audi do for €40k has to be fair.
Ask most people the difference between an A4 and a Superb and most will bring up styling and interior plastics, both dirt cheap to rectify in the design stages if they actually wanted to)

All part of overall VW group strategy, the last thing they want to do is to let one brand cannibalise the other. It wouldnt make sense for Skoda to compete directly against VW buyers or for VW buyers to compete directly against Audi buyers - whats the point? Every VW brand has a role to play and each are positioned differently in the minds of buyers.

Skoda - Value Champion - cheap cheerful and reliable - value for money, conservative styling.
VW - Positioned slightly more upmarket than Skoda with more products. Classical styling. Perceived as well built and reliable.
Seat - Positioned as a sportier version of VW - (mostly) good looking range of cars. Sportiers styling than either of the other two.
Audi - Premium brand of the VW group - positioned as sporty, progressive and luxurious. Sporty styling.
Porsche Lamborghini and Bugatti arent relevant here.

Berty

Victor_M wrote: »

Any chance of spec and price? What sort of discounts should a potential purchaser expect to be getting?

1.9TDi 105BHP Elegance with Metallic (On the Road Price) €26,425

2.0TDi unsure. Didn't ask.

Matt Simis

colm_mcm wrote: »

I thought the whole thrust of your argument for Audi was their higher spec models, surely the halo effect is what sells the basic ones. (thought you had mentioned the R8, turns out you didn't)

Not really what I was commenting on, though a 1.6 in an A4 is poor offer, Audi have a brand image already established and a free'er to offer junk than Skoda are. 1.4 (irrelvant of its BHP) in something as classy as the Superb hurts the cars image. And I dont want to come across as overly negative on the SuperbII, its a far better value buy than any Audi (I suspect, never been in one) and possibly the best "new car" purchase from VAG.

But I dont think we are really even in disagreement, Im just pointing, as stated, that we need to get away from the idea that when you buy Audi over Skoda you only get a different badge. That's overly generous to Skoda and annoys me as much as badge snobbery, as thats what it is, inverted badge snobbery, like the people buying Prius's to look down on everyone else, there is an aura of "buying Skoda makes you smarter than everyone else as you arent being fooled".
Buying Skoda in my opinion is a bit of lucky dip, some gems (pending individual requirements) amongst a mass of cheap, low end and retasked older generation but functional product. Which is exactly (baring the SuperbII) what they say on the tin, as per RedorDead's post. If Skoda dont do it, who does? Maybe Suzuki when VW take over.

flamegrill

Victor_M wrote: »

Any chance of spec and price? What sort of discounts should a potential purchaser expect to be getting?

Standard 170PS Elegance. Cash price 31500.

useless

Just had a look at the price list again, and spotted this in the small print:

"Leather interiors are supplied in genuine and artificial leather combination. Please discuss with your local Škoda Dealer"

So while the photos of the interior look great, I wonder how much of it is trimmed in vinyl?

Vinyl or not, I think it's a huge spec for the money, but the estate looks a lot better than the saloon. I'm with MattSimis- I'll have a used estate after a couple of years, tho' I'd prefer the diesel with DSG - I'm way too stingy to pay the tax and fuel for a 3.6 petrol:D

Stevie Dakota

useless wrote: »

Just had a look at the price list again, and spotted this in the small print:

"Leather interiors are supplied in genuine and artificial leather combination. Please discuss with your local Škoda Dealer"

So while the photos of the interior look great, I wonder how much of it is trimmed in vinyl?

Usually this means the bits you come into contact with are leather, bits that you don't (seat backs/sides) are not.

Kafer

Matt Simis wrote: »

Buying Skoda in my opinion is a bit of lucky dip, some gems (pending individual requirements) amongst a mass of cheap, low end and retasked older generation but functional product. Which is exactly (baring the SuperbII) what they say on the tin, as per RedorDead's post. If Skoda dont do it, who does? Maybe Suzuki when VW take over.

The current range of Skodas are based on the newest platforms and you are getting the most up to date technology and engines.

galwaytt

....:(.....

..I just wrote THE most eloquent reply to all of the above, but due to a keyboard fubar (touch typing........:rolleyes:), hit f5 and lost it all.........

So, you'll have to do with the Campbell's version (canned

)

Let's say the Superb is the "-1 gen" chassis. Who cares, the vast majority who would be changing are driving something much older than that anyway, so it's still an improvement TO THEM - and that's what counts...
If the "-1" theory (an arse to type, blind, btw..) were to hold water, then run-out models of all brands would be dubbed '****e'. When in fact, more often than not, they're the complete opposite. Mk1 anything is usually the ****e one.
The current gen A6 is gorgeous. Suitably spec'd (+€€€), it's gorgeous, esp with the multitronic and 2.0Tdi engine. It is also a cart on anything other than billiard-smooth roads. So, newer is not always better (see above......)
There is a school of thought that says the likes of the Superb are actually MORE suitable to Irish road conditions than anyting else. Given the appalling state of them, that's no bad thing......
Don't dismiss Skoda quality. A lot of people love the TT, myself included, and it's THE car that got car mfr's thinking properly about interiors in the last 11 years. However.....it's built by czech's, sorry Hungarian's, btw.

galwaytt

...which brings me to the following:

...it's not just VAG who lose their way you know......

...in Killarney for the last two days, and leaving the Gleneagle hotel, Mrs Galwaytt says something like: 'white cars are in again, aren't they ?...that Hyundai looks really nice with the bodykit and wheels...'

Oh dear:

A car that would make Geely proud, that is

Matt Simis

Kafer wrote: »

The current range of Skodas are based on the newest platforms and you are getting the most up to date technology and engines.

Yeah, kinda.
Think this was already covered in detail.

junkyard

galwaytt wrote: »

...which brings me to the following:

...it's not just VAG who lose their way you know......

...in Killarney for the last two days, and leaving the Gleneagle hotel, Mrs Galwaytt says something like: 'white cars are in again, aren't they ?...that Hyundai looks really nice with the bodykit and wheels...'

Oh dear:

A car that would make Geely proud, that is

I'd buy the Hyundai any day over a Merc, at least it wouldn't break down on a regular basis.

eastwest

I drive a Saab, nice car but nothing like the Superb. Definitely I'm going for the Skoda next time; they have pretty much shed the image that they inherited form the old aircooled junk that they used to make. This is a Passat in all but name, but with more legroom and better spec.
In a couple of years time this will be one of the biggest selling marques in the larger car market, it gets better and better every time they update it.

flamegrill

I'm loving my lean burning Common Rail Superb with the DPF. Virtually no exhaust fumes which is deadly. Big difference from my 06 passat that's for sure. Picked her up today around 2:30pm as the roads finally thawed a fair bit here in Carlow.

Loving all the little things it has.

selfbuilder1

Good luck flamegrill with the Superb. How does it compare to your Passat in relation to ride comfort and road and engine noise. Thanks and happy motoring.

flamegrill

selfbuilder1 wrote: »

Good luck flamegrill with the Superb. How does it compare to your Passat in relation to ride comfort and road and engine noise. Thanks and happy motoring.

The ride comfort is definately better in the Superb. One thing to note is that it needs to be broken in like any car so it's a little early stages yet.

Road noise seems reduced over my 06 passat. Feature set doesn't really compare tbh.

Scruff

How long has this new version of the Superb been available here? Is it the same as the one that has been available in the UK since 08?

Zonda999

Scruff wrote: »

How long has this new version of the Superb been available here? Is it the same as the one that has been available in the UK since 08?

Its been available here since Autumn 2008 as well, seems to be selling a bit better this year though,must be the combination of reduced prices and a lot more specification

GTE

Congrats on the car. I am won over by the estate to be honest. I own an estate and I dont think I would go for a saloon for my own needs.

Whats the performance like compared to the Passat?
You have the 170bhp Common rail TDshizzle yeah?

Id say you could remap that to about 200ish. If you felt the need.

sheafield

Hi flamegrill and congrats on new wheels! Just a small question, i'm awaiting delievery on a Skoda superb elegance. Just forgot to ask dealer one question. Does this model come with a media in socket for your ipod in the glove box or is it just an aux socket. Checked out features of Colombus sat nav on youtube and looks fantastic but media in works much better than aux for total ipod control. thanks and happy skoda-ing!!!!!!!!!!:)

mcwhirter

Sounds like a nice car, smug name though:D

Scruff

I stopped in on a skoda dealer to have a nose at the skoda out of curiosity, it wasnt really a car i was thinking of as a contender for my new family car. I have to say i was impressed. I had a good look at a Greenline and Ambition and was really impressed at the spec and interior of the Ambition. Even the Greenline had a great interior when compared to an entry level Mazda6 (which was my fav for new family car, before actually viewing any cars

) The mazda was just soooo plasitc looking in comparison. The Superb also has so much more room. I really liked the sporty looks of the mazda but am rethinking priorities now!

For a car this size is 105bhp of the 1.9TDI not very underpowered? Me thinks the 170bhp would be better but a 170bhp Ambition is a good bit more than the 5-6k more than i was budgeting for...and i was looking for 09 cars...
Actually there was a 09 Greenline there as well and they were asking for only 1k less than a new 10 Greenline list price ! With gov scrappage and their own top up scrappage deal the 09 asking price worked out at 4K more than a new car! Were is the depreciation on the 09????

flamegrill, what was the list price of the model you bought before haggling etc?

flamegrill

Scruff, the Superb Elegance is 31500 as a cash price and roughly 33500 on a trade in. The sat nav dvd is about 300 euro on top of that. You should be able to at least get that for 100 or 150 euro. they'll just pre-load it on your device and you won't get the DVD. Or don't pay for it and get it from another source.

The prices above are for the 170 BHP engine btw.

Paul

Berty

flamegrill wrote: »

Scruff, the Superb Elegance is 31500 as a cash price and roughly 33500 on a trade in. The sat nav dvd is about 300 euro on top of that. You should be able to at least get that for 100 or 150 euro. they'll just pre-load it on your device and you won't get the DVD. Or don't pay for it and get it from another source.

The prices above are for the 170 BHP engine btw.

Paul

Huh, my dealer said I would get the CD installed for free(not to keep) and any updates could be put on my system at an extra cost but the initial mapping would be free.

Shame Im not getting ANY car now! :mad:

Tea 1000

Scruff wrote: »

I stopped in on a skoda dealer to have a nose at the skoda out of curiosity, it wasnt really a car i was thinking of as a contender for my new family car. I have to say i was impressed. I had a good look at a Greenline and Ambition and was really impressed at the spec and interior of the Ambition. Even the Greenline had a great interior when compared to an entry level Mazda6 (which was my fav for new family car, before actually viewing any cars ) The mazda was just soooo plasitc looking in comparison. The Superb also has so much more room. I really liked the sporty looks of the mazda but am rethinking priorities now!

For a car this size is 105bhp of the 1.9TDI not very underpowered?

1.9 is crap alright.
It's such a shame alright that Mazda ballsed up the interior of the new 6. They need to pull out the stops next time round. Still though, in terms of driving dynamics the Mazda is a league ahead. As you said though, it's all about priorities! Handling is my number one, interior is a good bit down on my list!

dizzydiesel

Anyone driven both the 2.0 TDI 140bhp & the 2.0 TDI 170bhp?
Just wondering if 140 is enough or do you need the 170?

I can't imagine 105bhp being up to the job.