Darksaga87 wrote: » Many publicans have not heard of business 101 : DONT RIP OFF YOUR CUSTOMERS!
Miriam Nervous Raspberry wrote: » You originaly said beer for the night Now you are suggesting travelling all the way to the north, for your few beers to save money? Eh... As for the alcohol I drank for 15 quid, I was smashed... completely. You just gotta know where to go and when. For 15 euro, you will not get a dvd and food and beer, you will get a dvd and some beer, or dvd and some food... but not all three
consultech wrote: » It only irks you coz it means your job mate. If you were on the other side of the fence you'd be singin the same tune as everyone else.
El Siglo wrote: » Yes but the average pint doesn't cost €4, it's usually more in the GDA (Greater Dublin Area, i.e. Dublin, Wicklow, Kildare and Meath) and I say GDA because that area pretty much dictates what happens in the rest of the country, unfortunately. Yes the overheads might be high, but try and balance out the price with other incentives. I know a bar owner in a rural part of Laois (Ballybrittas) who offers free lifts home in a minibus to punters. Now, even with the journey time and fuel costs incurred, it pays off in the long run for him because he keeps his clientele. Now, I've yet to see such incentives and innovation by publicans in Dublin and elsewhere. For too long, publicans had it easy (regardless of what you argue, when the money and demand was there they charged through the roof and offer little else). Now that the flow of credit has all but dried up, do you still expect punters to pay the same or similar extortionate prices now? Of course not, so if you can't lower prices, you're going to have to trade off with something else e.g. get rid of Setanta and Sky and offer €3 pints. Even if there was a match on this simple step would attract customers. Will publicans take such a gamble? No. What about offering free food? How much per unit cost would a cocktail sausage be, one tenth of a cent? I know one pub in Loughborough that works like a stock exchange, with the pint prices on electronic boards, and based on the consumption that night, the prices of pints adjust accordingly. Complicated as this might sound, the principle of offering at certain times extremely cheap drink has attracted customers and helps the owner shift the least desirable alcohol, and for the shear curiousity and novelty factor. How come, with massive unemployment, deflation increasing each quarter, that publicans seem to concentrate more on sticking to rigid prices schemes and the status quo? What has a publican to lose by taking a gamble and incentivising alcohol consumption in such a manner? Either way, you're going to lose some money but at least by creating the incentive to come to the pub, you're losses will decrease in the long run as deflation continues etc... I guarantee that if pubs, don't get over themselves as the bastions of social exchange in this country, cop onto the fact that people simply can't afford the expense incurred by frequenting such establishments, then they will ultimately fail as enterprises. The key to a successful business is adapting to the environment you're in, it's not 2006 anymore, people don't have the money, so start offering something new in exchange if you're asking them to part with their hard earned cash or weekly dole payment. If pubs take the price hit now, they'll save themselves bankruptcy or insolvency as opposed to carrying on as is and facing these problems in a year or less.
Miriam Nervous Raspberry wrote: » It's not the pubs in the cities that are effected by the recession, smoking ban or other.
coyle wrote: » Well fcuk me pink, Burger King have to pay all that too, and i don't see them chargin in....
Rabies wrote: » .Comparing the cost of a night out to staying in with a dvd and beer bought up north is stupid. You pay for the experience, atmosphere and services of the venue. You don't back home. Definitely compare similar pubs, pick the best one to your needs and screw the other one. You get what you want.
Rabies wrote: » A few weeks ago I re did my mezzanine floor. Not visually, didn't rename, furniture is still there. Its the same. But what I did change was my prices and customers. If you want to walk from the main floor to upstairs, you now need to get past a bouncer. He is told to keep the ratio of guys/girls very good. Only hot girls and guys that a dressed smart, not casual are allowed up. Now groups of young people. Then when finally get up there, you definitely have a seat. Loads of room... but, you pay the price. The drinks are more expensive and only premium spirits are used. Smaller crowd up there now. But I get a better spend per head. Some people are moaning about not being allowed in to bars or clubs and given a shoddy reason. Yes, sometimes it is complete bullsh!t. But other times, I'll be honest, we don't like the look of you or have watched you walking down the street. We don't know if you have loads of money and could ready to drop a few hundred in our bar.
Rabies wrote: » You pay for the experience, atmosphere and services of the venue. You don't back home.
Bambi wrote: » Rabies, you mentioned that you were charging people because they were coming to your club to dance. Is that really your customers primary reason for giving you their patronage? say If you stopped serving alcohol how many people would be coming to your club to just dance?
Rabies wrote: » few weeks ago I re did my mezzanine floor. Not visually, didn't rename, furniture is still there. Its the same. But what I did change was my prices and customers. If you want to walk from the main floor to upstairs, you now need to get past a bouncer. He is told to keep the ratio of guys/girls very good. Only hot girls and guys that a dressed smart, not casual are allowed up. Now groups of young people. Then when finally get up there, you definitely have a seat. Loads of room... but, you pay the price. The drinks are more expensive and only premium spirits are used. Smaller crowd up there now. But I get a better spend per head. Some people are moaning about not being allowed in to bars or clubs and given a shoddy reason. Yes, sometimes it is complete bullsh!t. But other times, I'll be honest, we don't like the look of you or have watched you walking down the street. We don't know if you have loads of money and could ready to drop a few hundred in our bar. Its a risk we take.
Rabies wrote: » I run at about $5-$7 a head spend. Other more profitable places around me run at $11-$14 a head.
jape wrote: » What a load of pretentious nonsense. My parents have been running a successful business for the last 40 years and would never dream of looking down on or treating a customer like this.
dresden8 wrote: » Lol. I look sh1t. I usually spend 70-80 euro on a night out. You should perhaps re-visit your business model. I do not visit these sh1tholes any more. They do not appreciate me or my money. Fnck em. You may be abroad, the principle holds.
Rabies wrote: » I spend $100-$250 a night. Its the market the venue is aimed at, different spend per head, its expected. We're very busy, but the take is smaller compared to other places of less capacity. We still make money, but not what it could possible make. We do different things here and there to make it special and it works. Get the little extra injection of cash.... plus we do put on drink specials. Not everything is full price always.
craggles wrote: » I swallowed a teabag once.
sunnyjim wrote: » Not at all Makikomi, I'm with you. We all should be buying Irish if it means we get good value. As usual, us Irish are trying to prove a point, only not to realise that a) by not buying Irish, we wont be paying any VAT b) our local shops will close (an end to plenty of part-time jobs) c) we all end up in a bigger heap than before No one is saying "buy irish at any cost", but if you pay for the good deals instead of buying NI full stop, it'll help.
TJJP wrote: » Eh, yes it is, and rightly so.
Rabies wrote: » Now I do agree with that not every bar/club should charge an entry fee or have high prices. It seems that its mainly a Dublin problem. But sometimes its nice way of keeping some people out that don't fit in to bar.
A few weeks ago I re did my mezzanine floor. Not visually, didn't rename, furniture is still there. Its the same. But what I did change was my prices and customers. If you want to walk from the main floor to upstairs, you now need to get past a bouncer. He is told to keep the ratio of guys/girls very good. Only hot girls and guys that a dressed smart, not casual are allowed up. Now groups of young people. Then when finally get up there, you definitely have a seat. Loads of room... but, you pay the price. The drinks are more expensive and only premium spirits are used. Smaller crowd up there now. But I get a better spend per head.
Some people are moaning about not being allowed in to bars or clubs and given a shoddy reason. Yes, sometimes it is complete bullsh!t. But other times, I'll be honest, we don't like the look of you or have watched you walking down the street. We don't know if you have loads of money and could ready to drop a few hundred in our bar. Its a risk we take.
Saying all that, I do have one major gripe with Irish bars/clubs. They need to stop charging for mixers!! That is my biggest issue. People pay enough for the spirit. Give the mixer free!
Mossy Monk wrote: » Was in a pub on Saturday watching football, as was every single person there at 6pm. Manager comes in at 6.30 and turns it off and then the pub empties. The same manager was advertising live football for Sunday. I don't believe he did too well. Treat your customers with contempt and they will tell you to **** off.
Rabies wrote: » Overweight people? Ya. But if they come in big oversized t-shirts or sports tops. No! Same for small people. Don't like the look of you? Ya, pretty much not getting in. Look dodgy in queue, spotted drinking around the corner, being sleazy with girls on the street. Eyes popping out of you head and chewing your jaw off? Old jeans and a t-shirt? No!
Mad_Max wrote: » I know that pub very well. That means they didn't want you in there. Standard procedure on all busy nights.
Degag wrote: » but the publican can only expect to make 17c profit on an average price per pint of €4.
redorblack wrote: » Last night (Stephens night) after finishing work tried to go into Laurels in Clondalkin, we were met by 3 bouncers at the door and were refused entry at 9pm because we were told it was ticket only, said fair enough plenty of other places, no problem so went across the road to Quinlans and told they were closed, they clearly werent.
Rabies wrote: » spotted drinking around the corner
ToxicPaddy wrote: » Guys credit where credit is due, Rabies has done his homework and he has decided that a certain type and look of clientèle is what he's looking for and they will only get in, not everyone agrees with it but its working for him and his business.. Tox
Rabies wrote: » That should have read old jeans and old t shirt. Over sized t-shirts. Ya, it can be a problem here. As with people still wearing a shirt and trying to get in, but having a big t-shirt hanging out. You can look at them and know straight away that they're not for here. Casual is fine, jeans and t shirt. All good. Old and tatty or grubby, no. I'm one of the few that are honest about how it works. Its the nature of the industry. People are wondering why they're not allowed in, I'm explaining. The odd thing is, some people never experience this.
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