nedtheshed wrote: » Ha ha ha ha ha,Jesus,at least some trolls have the brains to not be so obvious,you are just a loser that is trying to be controversial. People like you give trolls a bad name.:D:D
diamondtooth wrote: » Who gives you the authority to speak to people like this :rolleyes:.
Johnny Giles wrote: » Is this thread just for people who love the building.Cop on.
jocmilt wrote: » I always thought the Cathedral in Longford was a grotesque building with it's Corinthian Columns and arrogant idols towering over the little people who walk beneath it. If there could be an architectural expression of the pompous domination of a corrupt church then this monstrosity it is. While Irish people were dying becaue of a genocidal famine these parasites, who were give food by the British, sucked the blood off the Irish people to build this! Not one priest died of hunger while this was being built out of the stench of rotting potatoes. The hammer blows resonating with the hooves of the British cavalry on their way to evict penniless peasants. We starved, they built a fine 'Cathedral'! To this day some Russias yearn for Stalin. Maybe it is a kind of Stockholm Syndrome. It's not surprising simple people have cathected with such symbols of their oppression but obviously God has decided to burn it down. Maybe at last he is saying, "enough of your evil!" While I hear many say how sad they are to see this building burn I can honestly say I am over the moon about it. It is a gift to all those who were trodden on by this heinous church; both by the clergy and the foolish lackeys who stood by them, taking up collections and reporting of 'heratics'. I am reminded of the stories of the emancipation of slaves in the the US when the a few lost souls stood around the ole plantations, not wanting to avail of their freedom but instead wanted to continue serving 'Masser'.
garfieldsghost wrote: » No, it's a thread about the fire that's destroyed the building. But bearing that in mind, it's also not the place to start sniping at the church over the abuse cases... if you want to do that, cop on and go to the relevant thread in the relevant section of the site.
truthisfree wrote: » Seeing as there is a Gardi investigation to discover witnesses ongoing at the moment it is not only people on here who are speculating but the authorities as well. It is absolutely natural that in the time we live in that people will and are very much speculating on whether this was arson commited by a person who suffered the horrific abuse that was meted out by the clergy in this country to thousands of children.
truthisfree wrote: » Seeing as there is a Gardi investigation to discover witnesses ongoing at the moment it is not only people on here who are speculating but the authorities as well.
lumpynomore wrote: » Have to say I'm extremly disappointed to see the route this thread has gone down, between debating the abuse cases (I'm sure there are relevant threads/sections for this subject to be discussed at length?) and famine (the period of time the cathedral was constructed)/ homelessness. I may not be long on this site but my impression of the OP's post was to highlight the fire and for the people of Longford and those of us no longer in the county to express our loss and sympathy. Perhaps I'm wrong? I was christened in the cathedral by Colm O' Reilly the now bishop when he was a pp, I have very special memories of the cathedral, not least the last mass I attended in it when my beloved grandmother was brought home to be laid to rest. I find a lot of the posts deeply offensive and am of the mind if you can't say something nice, don't post. I fail to see what gratification some of the posters get from their opinions apart from stirring, when there's really no need for it. And I for one, should the cathedral be restored will be donating as much as I can afford and will be extremly proud to do so.
garfieldsghost wrote: » It's called routine. It's the Gardaí's job to investigate all possibilities and discover the cause by process of elimination. To suggest that they already suspect arson when the investigation hasn't even properly begun is ridiculous.
truthisfree wrote: » The Investigation began yesterday morning (1). All forensic investigations are done as quickly as possible to decide the factors that caused it. The reason there are Detectives questioning people is that the authorities are thinking just what a lot of people are thinking (2). What on earth could be ridiculous about that? The firemen and investigators know where this fire started, the question is how did it start. It is only ridiculous when you look at the odds on it. I have spoken to a whole lot of people and there is a seizable majority that are very suspicious of the causes (3). That does not mean that they are right in any way, but it neither means that they are ridiculous either given the times we live in.
garfieldsghost wrote: » 1. I said the investigation hasn't properly begun yet, and it hasn't. Investigators haven't entered the building yet because it still hasn't been assessed by structural engineers. The firemen have probably located the point where the fire started but to define its cause will require detailed forensic examination. 2. After any fire - regardless of how it was started - the Gardaí question neighbours and witnesses to cover all angles. Just because they're doing it in this instance doesn't back up your theory. 3. Some people love nothing more than theorising and feeding off rumours in the wake of such incidents. Just because people are talking about what they think happened is not proof in any way. It's nothing more than hearsay and in the long run such rumour mills can needlessly prolong the work of the authorities.
truthisfree wrote: » 1. I don't have any theories, I am talking to people in Longford and feeding back their reaction and what the majority of people there think. 2. It does not negate it either. 3. That is peoples nature, to try and figure out what happened, do you think that this fire comes under a diferrent catogery than Albert Reyonald factory that burned down recently? Google "St, Mel's Cathedral, Longford, arson" and you will end up on forums and blogs from the Usa to the UK that are discussing just that. I have not found you yet but am sure you're are in there somewhere.
Jakkass wrote: » Indeed truthisfree, and so far the discussion on boards.ie has been a lot tamer than that on politics.ie. Whether or not child abuse happened in the Roman Catholic Church is irrelevant, it doesn't make this loss any better.
truthisfree wrote: » It is only bricks and mortar after all, interesting the reactions though. I keep thinking about another Xmas when a house fire took the lives of two kids, kinda brings things into perspective. There seems to be way more acceptance that it was arson on the boards and blogs in the UK and US though, how come?
As far as I know the crozier was the only valuable artefact in the museum which was closed to the public. It has been well documented and photographed by now..... The Crozier was a minor artefact, who it belonged to no one knows or ever will.
truthisfree wrote: » There seems to be way more acceptance that it was arson on the boards and blogs in the UK and US though, how come?
garfieldsghost wrote: » That's not called acceptance, that's called jumping to conclusions.
truthisfree wrote: » Maybe, or realism, the systematic abuse that happened in this country is one of the greatest sins the church has commited here. Anyone who thinks that this level of abuse can exist in a society without having an adverse effect on that society is deluding themselves. We have no idea what this abuse can do to a persons mind and what it can drive them to. one in four, think about it, I was not one of them and I hope you were not either but we have all met one, think of that guy you used to know that always got drink and wasted his life being angry and aggressive with everyone. Look at the junkies on the streets. Look at the criminal element in irish society, not too hard to join the dots. Do you not think that we have to face up to this and deal with it, now.
garfieldsghost wrote: » Rewind for one moment... I thought you didn't have a theory on all of this? From what you've just said there, it looks like you already think this was a vengeful act of arson. It may very well turn out that it was an act of arson... but I sincerely hope it doesn't, if just to p*ss off the numerous internet conspiracy theorists and cranks who think they already know the answer...
truthisfree wrote: » I am looking at the bigger picture Garfield, how many of Dublin's gangland criminals suffered horrific abuse in the institutions that were covered in the Murphy report?
lumpynomore wrote: » I don't condone the abuse by SOME priests of innocent children, however how does two wrongs make a right? Is it acceptable that a cathedral being burnt to the ground is payback? No abuse took place in St.Mel's afaik so why should that church be targeted? Will burning a church down make the pain and suffering felt by abuse victims magically wipe away? I think not and to use abuse victims as a justification for some of your theories is frankly a bit of a cop out. Also your comment about the two kids that tragically lost their life, that no way compares to this matter. Any human loss is beyond tragic, the cathedral loss is major to some people insignificant to others, I just wonder where in the midlands you are, because any Longford person I've spoke to is devestated by this loss.
truthisfree wrote: » Maybe, or realism, the systematic abuse that happened in this country is one of the greatest sins the church has commited here. Anyone who thinks that this level of abuse can exist in a society without having an adverse effect on that society is deluding themselves.
truthisfree wrote: » We have no idea what this abuse can do to a persons mind and what it can drive them to. one in four, think about it, I was not one of them and I hope you were not either but we have all met one, think of that guy you used to know that always got drink and wasted his life being angry and aggressive with everyone. Look at the junkies on the streets. Look at the criminal element in irish society, not too hard to join the dots.
truthisfree wrote: » Do you not think that we have to face up to this and deal with it, now.
truthisfree wrote: » Lets say as a scenario, that everyone that attend mass decided to tay away for one weekend as a proest against the abuse in the Church. It would show that they are capable of thinking about their spiritual leaders and making it clear to them that the congeration has a voice too, or is that way too democratic for an old instution such as this?
Jakkass wrote: » Why would people not go to church if they find their priest to be honest in this issue, and if they find their priest to conduct a good service? You are bringing an entirely separate agenda into this issue altogether.
