Micky Dolenz wrote: » Also don't think it will become airborne, not for a long time anyway, how long has the HIV virus been around, 30 odd years.
Ginja Ninja wrote: » The scientific facts: 1) there are viruses than can survive temperature up to 400C 2) there are viruses[and bacteria] that can survive on the extremes of the pH scale[very acid or very alkali] 3)Viruses aren't "alive" per se,they are a gene in a protein coat,that's it.The only way to destroy a virus is to physically dismantle/alter its chemistry. 4) there are viruses that can survive in radioactive waste. 5) depending on the virus it can take anywhere from decades to hours for a virus to mutate 6) many/most viruses can live on surfaces/dormant in the air for extended periods of time[e.g cold/flu] 7) acids[unless in the high 90%'s don't work that fast,sure if you could keep the zombies in the pit for about a day they'd be gone. 8) acids are "used up" in dissolving something I.E only a Finite amount of zombies could be dissolved 9) what the F would you line the motte with? the acid would dissolve/flow away through the ground,only a few certain plastics don't dissolve in acid,the compounds made after dissolving a body might also effect the plastic. Personally,I hope we get Max Brooks' zombies if it happens,at least they're easy to kill/outrun
NOGMaxpower wrote: » Acid can be found in chemists/pharmacy - going there anyway fro first aid kits. its only dangerous if you dont knwo what you're doing. Costly to store and transport? Eh its Z day money doesn't matter any more. Besides at this stage I am already looking for wholesale acid so i can plan its extraction.
ScumLord wrote: » Yes it would cause it to mutate into carbon. Acid would be very good at disposing of bodies completely but it has many drawbacks, it's rare, it's always extremely dangerous, it's extremely costly to store and transport even in a resource economy. Fire is there when you need it and not a second before so is much safer.
ScumLord wrote: » By facts I mean facts we know about the human body and general facts of nature that the virus has to operate in. You can't have running zombies because there's the fundamental flaw of where do they get the energy from and how do they make their body operate way outside of possible physical limits of the tissues they're made out of. It's the same for burning, it's just not within the realms of possibility that organic matter could survive that type of prolonged burning. Even if you were to put steel and rock in an incinerator they'd be vaporised. Even reducing that down to a managed fire you could insure all that's left afterwards is carbon. I think maybe we should all research proper incineration techniques as part of our zombie survival preparation.
Evolute wrote: » I find it hard to believe that its all facts when in all fairness until it happens is complete fiction. However I do believe that when zombies do come along that they will be easily killed just like a human. Also please do post your website link when it is finished I'm intrigued
Doctor DooM wrote: » You cannot state something is 100% fiction. For example, Russels tea pot. You cannot state with 100% certainty that there's no teapot in orbit around Saturn- you have just not percieved it, so assume it is so. Do not give the zombies the nonchalance they want!
ScumLord wrote: » I don't follow the movies at all. I have yet to see a good zombie movie. All my assumptions are based in fact, the only leap of faith I make is that the zombie virus will create living dead. After that it has to be grounded in reality. The fact is I've never come across any naked cell that can survive fire and unless the cell is naked (and by naked I mean has no protective shell like a plants seed would to protect it) there's no way it can interact with the cells in our body. I don't subscribe to the supernatural, everything has to be based in cold hard science. Zombies are common throughout the animal and insect world, hollywood has turned them into impossible super creatures that have no grounding in reality at all. In a few weeks my zombie website masterpiece shall be finished then you'll all be learned so ye will.
NOGMaxpower wrote: » so all i can take from these arguments is there is a need for zombie science. We can't say for sure if the Z virus is airborn or what effect fire will have on its cell structure (would it cause it to mutate?).
Evolute wrote: » See thats the problem here your assuming that they follow the same trend as movie fictional zombies which they probably won't. So all everyone thinks they know is most likely up in the air. Also its not a normal virus and far from simple
ScumLord wrote: » There's a difference between a virus being airborne and impervious to flame. There's no way a simple virus could survive burning. Unless someones got evidence of it happening? I know some trees need fire to reproduce but I don't see a naked cell being able to put up any resistance to fire. I figured it was accepted at this point that the Zombie virus was fatal in all cases. It's kills all animals including humans, it's just that humans have an additional side effect due to having unique brains.
Evolute wrote: » No offense to Mr. Brooks but he knows none of the specifics of something that hasnt happened. However if it is a virus it is therefore in the blood and can infect other things or atleast animals can become carriers of the virus. Also noone knows if it can become airborn as yet again it hasnt happened.
Phractal wrote: » Step one: watch film 'outbreak'. Step two: research 'fuel air bomb' and 'thermobaric device'. Step three: procure materials for device. Step four: build device. Step five: no more zombies! If that fails, putting the corpses through a grinder and then into HF would do the trick, as would using the virus itself to generate antibodies in a lab cultured specimen, and thus a cure.
ScumLord wrote: » According to the right honorable Mr. Brooks burning the Zombie corpse is best practice. The very fact it takes close contact with a Zombie and biting to be sure to pass the virus it seems unlikely the virus can survive outside it's host for any length of time, it's also more unlikely that any living creature could survive burning (assuming the virus is considered a living creature/organism). Guns will be useless when we're considering a large offensive against the Zombies. Modified work vehicles will be the best solution.
NOGMaxpower wrote: » But thats all surviving, what about beating the zombies once and for all? Is it just a numbers game, do we just need to kill them with a shot to the head and thats it? I was always worried about what we'd do with the Z's remains? Burning them could result in an airborn mutation, burying them could lead towards an infection of earth/water.
Evolute wrote: » There is only one problem with that you have to wait until z-day happens before you can study them. Although I do like the curveball you have put in by saying the infection could become airborne or contaminate water and plant life. Things dont seem as easy as they did when you first start to think about it shooting them in the head and just leaving them there. Doesnt seem to cut it anymore hehe.
