Cabaal wrote: » I'd understand if a normal user was looking for a web host forum to re-open but when a company is suggesting it it looks like they just want to pimp their business....no offense but this is what it looks like.
tomED wrote: » I see where you are coming from re: HWS, but I just want to throw something out there. If you look at a lot of the threads that are started, generally it's a lot of people that hardly even know they need hosting - there's a clear need for answers to questions relating to hosting. The last thing anyone of us want is more pimping, but there's no reason why this can't be prevented - with strict enough rules.
Darragh wrote: » Similarly, though it's not Boards.ie related, I'd have to question your motives given tweets like this - http://twitter.com/HostingWebSolut/statuses/5737964013
HandWS LTD wrote: » I admit...i did it but then deleted it from the original as i soon as i read the post from the original place and it was not a good idea and unfair.
tomED wrote: » In fairness, if you resort to these tactics at all - it's not something that will ever stand to you. It looks as if you're willing to play just as dirty tactics as those that caused the forum to be closed in the first place.
Darragh wrote: » But okay, let's start this conversation again.Would you take part if you weren't allowed use your company name or link to it in your signature? The last thing I need is companies outbidding each other or downplaying others. It doesn't help. Blacknight have been great members and advisors to Boards.ie members since April 2001. They deserve the right to be on our site, advising people and that's why we gave them their own forum and the "Official representative" badge, which is our mark of trust in them. Have you ever contacted Boards.ie to advertise, Brian? Officially, like? I'm not at all happy about this thread: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055734606 - you come along, "correcting" a member who has been around for over 8 years and link to an external website and think what you did is okay? Have you contacted sales@boards.ie at all? Darragh
Blacknight wrote: » $random user asks question about hosting / domain registration I point $user at the thread which the mods have been maintaining for years which contains a list of links. I then get snide comments from you You then go posting snide and potentially libellous comments about me personally both on boards.ie, Facebook and Twitter Edit: and just for clarification - that post is aimed at HandWS LTD
HandWS LTD wrote: » Ok...Does this involve not just me but all other companies involved in the web hosting forums?? If they agree, then i will agree. But i can't see that happenning. Only way to find out is ask around. I understand what you said about blacknight. But as he's top of the list....he's using that to his advantage to get back at the others. All i posted from the external link was a list of more of them that was not added to the boards.ie. And that is something people want. I HAVE sent an email in the past to boards.ie asking to become an official representative. I'm pretty sure it was sent to sales@boards.ie.
The Corinthian wrote: » I'm not sure if reopening the Web Hosting board is such a good idea. It might be as the business landscape there has changed in Ireland since it was last open, but then again it might not. There are numerous problems with such a board, of which the main one is those involved in hosting. I don't necessarily mean the hosts themselves, it can also be resellers and even developers who will launch into a libellous rant, which then causes the hosting companies to get involved because they all quietly monitor discussions. The whole thing can become a complete clusterfsck very quickly. Given this perhaps things have changed. Not all the same players are still around (some hosts were amongst the worst troublemakers) and those who are may have grown out of the personality politics that blighted the board five years ago or so. Or maybe not. What is it about the hosting business that attracts these sorts?Disclaimer: I actually am good friends with a number of people in the hosting business and actually think they're a nice and normal bunch as long as they're kept apart.
HandWS LTD wrote: » Blacknight....my comment was only saying that it was not updated and pointed them to another list with more companies involved. I stand corrected for that. They were not snide remarks, compared to yours. I apologise about the social media. I only did that after your comments but deleted it straight away as it was not right and forgot that it would be extracted by twitter. I apologise again as it will not happen.
Overheal wrote: » As the outside observer, you're trying to run a business. Act like a professional. Its always nice to think about what you're doing before you act. That tweet and your reported behavior afai-see was bull$hit. And apologizing for it is an empty gesture at this point. Turn a new leaf and take Darragh's advice on board. I dont do Web Hosting, I dont do Websites. But I do notice every other forum - broadband, laptops, etc. all run great with users coming in commenting and criticizing different brands goods and services and from time to time we get the odd Hewlett Packard rep come on the laptop forum as a Joe Schmoe to give people help without resorting to slinging mud or ever mentioning a competitor. Why WH doesnt work like that, I dont know. But it should.
HandWS LTD wrote: » You are right that it can cause that. But as boards.ie have the power to stop this and look very closely to see if it can work again....then great all round for the users...as they have to post elsewhere which is probably confusing them. If the same thing happens with the new strict rules if there is one ..... then they can ban them for good. They might try again.....but they'll be caught.
HandWS LTD wrote: » Thats exactly what it should be like....hopefully the other web hosts can go with it. As we are for it and it'll be much easier for the users. As for the tweet.......it sure was bull****. But NOBODY did anything as i took it straight off.
Overheal wrote: » I dont do Web Hosting, I dont do Websites. But I do notice every other forum - broadband, laptops, etc. all run great with users coming in commenting and criticizing different brands goods and services and from time to time we get the odd Hewlett Packard rep come on the laptop forum as a Joe Schmoe to give people help without resorting to slinging mud or ever mentioning a competitor. Why WH doesnt work like that, I dont know. But it should.
kbannon wrote: » 3rd time reading this and I think I now kind of understand what it says! The tweet is IMO a reflection of how you would act on boards (*in my opinion*). Will posts (by any users) in the same kind of vein as your tweet cause extra work for boards and/or could it result in libel?
HandWS LTD wrote: » It may cause extra work....just like that tweet was found. But won't that make boards.ie better if the web hosting was opened. I wasn't around in the past to know what happened but i wanna make this work. If the others will then....it will come to boards.ie advantage.
The Corinthian wrote: » I suspect because Web hosting is composed of a small number of players, who take their business very personally, unlike large corporations like HP. Many of the arguments tended to devolve into thinly veiled ad hominem attacks, with personal vendettas surfacing or forming as a result. Web hosting, just seems to be one of those 'special cases' that defies reason, TBH. As such, it deserves 'special treatment'. I do not have the time to babysit a bunch of overgrown kids who want to libel each other. Neither do any other moderators or the admins, I suspect. Moderation is a voluntary activity and time consuming enough without having to be present 24/7, as was necessary in the past, lest Boards suffer a far worse consequence, in the shape of legal action, than it would because of some hair-brained kiddies on After Hours. If I felt that people could generally behave I would agree with the board's reopening, however from what I have read here, I'd have my doubts and could see it devolving within a week.
kbannon wrote: » As for making it work, I haven't seen any evidence of this from you. Make an effort on boards before you want to start using it as a marketing tool (which I take for granted is your sole reason for this thread)!
