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Izevbakhai Case Restarts...again.

AlekSmart

Interesting slant from the "Paper of Record" to Pamela Izevbekhai`s return to the Supreme Court on Friday (6Th).

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/1107/1224258280658.html

The article saw fit to merely refer in passing that Ms Izevbekhai`s newly accquired Legal team never even managed to get out of the traps and as a result the were applying to come "off the record" in relation to the lady.

In the normal course of events a member of the general public undertaking to represent themselves at Supreme Court level would merit quite a few column inches,but not in this case.

Instead the Irish Times article focuses upon some new revelations from Ms Izevbekhai including a new Nigerian Doctor named Ori.

Quite what we are to make of the Threatening Postcard as a verifiable reason for her "new" laywers to shy away from handling her case is anybodys guess.

Equally her complaint that Nigeria`s Chief Justice and it`s Ambassador to Ireland were undermining her credibility may indeed be accurate,but all it did for me was stretch her credibility to snapping point !!

However,I remain unconvinced that the Supreme Court would indulge other less celebrated respondents to the extent that Pamela Izevbekhai is being (expensively) indulged.

So we now have another adjournment to facilitate God knows what ruminations are necessary to even attach a veil of veracity to the ongoing story.......I wonder will the taxing master ever get to inspect the costs attaching to this case

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AlekSmart

It certainly would be for you 994,but remember this is a poor soul we have adopted as "one of our own".

Civic Recpetions,Media appearances,Giant`s of the Literary World remonstrating with greater Ireland for it`s lack of similar appreciation.

Ms Izevbekhai and her backers have succeeded in reducing the collective questioning faculties of the Country to Zero .....save for a "few angry men" on Boards.ie

This has NEVER been about Pamela Izevbekhai per se.
This has always been about the belief which a society and it`s people has in itself.
Sadly,this has taken a pounding over the past 2 years,much of that inflicted by the Izevbekhai battery raining shells upon the Four Courts from a great height.

It is doubtful in my mind as to whether the Courts can ever undo the damage inflicted on their processes by this person and her Legal Advisers.

They have in many eyes reduced the Supreme Court to a parody worthy of a Monty Python sketch....and then,along came Zoe Developments

MrMicra

Sizzler wrote: »

Seriously it would have been cheaper to send her to Monaco with a suitcase full of cash when the first ruling was handed down rather than go through the pain of the last few years and the millions thats been wasted on it, not to mention the detraction of any sort of credibility to the justice system that is supposed to underpin such decisions FFS.

The Refugee Appeals Tribunal is partial and arbitrary in its rulings. The people appointed to it have no expertise; the people appointed to it are appointed without clear explanation as to their fitness; the people appointed to it are typically closely connected with the governing party.

James Nicholson who was was paid EUR 250,000 per year (by the Tribunal he may have had had other work) during resigned in 2007 because his decisions could not be stood over. He had found for the Refugee 2 times in 400 cases. When the Supreme Court decided to allow a general review of his decisions he resigned and the Refugee Appeals Tribunal made a number of secret settlements.

James Nicholson was a former apprentice of Michael McDowell; Michael McDowell made his opinions on asylum clear.

If the Irish government has chosen to construct the Asylum process as a goldmine for barristers that is not Pamela Izevbekhai.

By the way I find it curious that people who KNOW that she is lying, without knowing anything about the operation of the asylum process or the law generally( except perhaps as defendants) in Ireland are so confident of the honesty of this doctor.

MrMicra

AlekSmart wrote: »

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Ms Izevbekhai and her backers have succeeded in reducing the collective questioning faculties of the Country to Zero .....save for a "few angry men" on Boards.ie

What is the point of asking a question when you won't listen to the answer?

ParkRunner

MrMicra wrote: »

The Refugee Appeals Tribunal is partial and arbitrary in its rulings. The people appointed to it have no expertise; the people appointed to it are appointed without clear explanation as to their fitness; the people appointed to it are typically closely connected with the governing party.

James Nicholson who was was paid EUR 250,000 per year (by the Tribunal he may have had had other work) during resigned in 2007 because his decisions could not be stood over. He had found for the Refugee 2 times in 400 cases. When the Supreme Court decided to allow a general review of his decisions he resigned and the Refugee Appeals Tribunal made a number of secret settlements.

James Nicholson was a former apprentice of Michael McDowell; Michael McDowell made his opinions on asylum clear.

If the Irish government has chosen to construct the Asylum process as a goldmine for barristers that is not Pamela Izevbekhai.

By the way I find it curious that people who KNOW that she is lying, without knowing anything about the operation of the asylum process or the law generally( except perhaps as defendants) in Ireland are so confident of the honesty of this doctor.

Are you for real? Members of the RAT are required to have had not less than five years experience as a practising barrister or practising solicitor before appointment. I dont think anyone here is defending James Nicholson. Bias was found to be an issue in his case and he resigned. His cases were/are also being reviewed and I have never heard of a court settlement being made public without the consent of both parties..have you? They are by their nature private agreements between the parties involved!

The trouble with Pamela is that she has not been able to prove one single part of her claim! She admitted herself that the death certificate was a forgery so why did she need to do this? Until a few months ago her case was proceeding on the basis that she was entirely credible regarding her claim that she lost her infant daughter to FGM, but even still if it were true and this is the crucial bit, she does not come within the definition of a refugee or a person in need of subsidiary protection, even putting all the lies aside.

HollyB

EF wrote: »

The trouble with Pamela is that she has not been able to prove one single part of her claim! She admitted herself that the death certificate was a forgery so why did she need to do this? Until a few months ago her case was proceeding on the basis that she was entirely credible regarding her claim that she lost her infant daughter to FGM, but even still if it were true and this is the crucial bit, she does not come within the definition of a refugee or a person in need of subsidiary protection, even putting all the lies aside.

If Elizabeth Izevbekhai existed, where is she buried? Pamela has claimed that, in Nigeria, mothers don't know where their children's graves are - are their any Nigerian posters who can confirm or deny that this is the case? - but somebody would have to know where the grave is. Get a DNA sample and compare it to Pamela's DNA. Even if the cause of death can't be confirmed, they'd at least be able to confirm that Pamela actually had a daughter before Naomi.

After the false death certificate, another paper isn't enough, not unless it is proven to be a genuine document. DNA is unlikely to lie.

ParkRunner

HollyB wrote: »

If Elizabeth Izevbekhai existed, where is she buried? Pamela has claimed that, in Nigeria, mothers don't know where their children's graves are - are their any Nigerian posters who can confirm or deny that this is the case? - but somebody would have to know where the grave is. Get a DNA sample and compare it to Pamela's DNA. Even if the cause of death can't be confirmed, they'd at least be able to confirm that Pamela actually had a daughter before Naomi.

After the false death certificate, another paper isn't enough, not unless it is proven to be a genuine document. DNA is unlikely to lie.

While confirmation of the actual existence or lacktherof of Pamela's daughter, Elizabeth, who supposedly died following an FGM procedure, would be very useful in putting an end to the speculation surrounding her credibility, I imagine Pamela will stick to her claim that she does not know where Elizabeth is buried, as she had to flee the imminent threat of persecution from her in-laws.

In an ideal world, the State would have all the necessary resources available to it at the drop of a hat to thoroughly investigate and defend each and every case, but with the High Court asylum list overflowing with judicial reviews and the inevitable cutbacks in public sector expenditure, it is simply asking too much to allocate the resources required to properly investigate the gaping holes in this case. This case can and will be easily won anyway in my opinion, in both the Supreme Court and if necessary in the ECJ.

HollyB

EF wrote: »

In an ideal world, the State would have all the necessary resources available to it at the drop of a hat to thoroughly investigate and defend each and every case, but with the High Court asylum list overflowing with judicial reviews and the inevitable cutbacks in public sector expenditure, it is simply asking too much to allocate the resources required to properly investigate the gaping holes in this case. It can and will be fairly easily won anyway in my opinion

In an ideal world, the State would be able to trust that nobody would ever seek to abuse the asylum system and that every claimant was genuinely seeking refuge from persecution, with no attempts to make false or exaggerated claims, no asylum shopping, and no use of the asylum system as a back door for economic migration, which would mean that every claimant could be taken at his or her word and granted asylum on arrival.

Obviously, that's never going to happen.

ParkRunner

HollyB wrote: »

In an ideal world, the State would be able to trust that nobody would ever seek to abuse the asylum system and that every claimant was genuinely seeking refuge from persecution, with no attempts to make false or exaggerated claims, no asylum shopping, and no use of the asylum system as a back door for economic migration, which would mean that every claimant could be taken at his or her word and granted asylum on arrival.

Obviously, that's never going to happen.

I couldn't agree more, but human nature unfortunately has left us with a situation where some will lie, beg, borrow and steal in order to secure the best deal for themselves at the expense of those who are genuinely in need of assistance and protection and those who are best at becoming an icon and cause celebre have the ability to lead an ever-forgiving, clueless and generally baseless crowd of do-gooders who cling to the hope that this one case will be a success, leading to the eradication of the widespread practice of FGM.

PaulieD

HollyB wrote: »

In an ideal world, the State would be able to trust that nobody would ever seek to abuse the asylum system and that every claimant was genuinely seeking refuge from persecution, with no attempts to make false or exaggerated claims, no asylum shopping, and no use of the asylum system as a back door for economic migration, which would mean that every claimant could be taken at his or her word and granted asylum on arrival.

Obviously, that's never going to happen.

There is one group of nationals taking us for a ride. Refuse each and every one of them asylum in Ireland. 99.4% of them are bogus.

Ireland received the second highest number of asylum applications in main industrialised countries from nationals of Nigeria in 2004. The recognition rate at first instance for 2004 is as follows:

Ireland 0.6%; Netherlands 0.6%; Austria 0.3%; Spain 0.1%

Less than 1%, therefore, of all Nigerian national asylum seekers succeed at first instance in the European Union member states that receive most Nigerian applications.

http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/PR07000171

Sizzler

The Nigerian ambassador has effectively said this is all far fetched and she was causinf embarrassment for the country but yet shes still here, still wasting peoples time and still costing money :mad:

Sizzler

http://www.sligotoday.ie/details.php?id=6577

There appears to be some confusion over the reason for the protest yesterday at the refugee and asylum seeker accommodation centre in Sligo, Globe House. About 30 protesters from the 200 people based there closed the gates and demonstrated outside the Centre for several hours.

Chanting about the lack of heating, hot water and poor catering the protesters refused to allow any deliveries onto the grounds including the An Post vehicle. The former convent has been used since July 2004 as a asylum seeker centre.

The spokesperson for the protesters, Pamela Izevbekhai, a Nigerian currently fighting deportation in the Supreme Court (see related articles), told SLIGO TODAY in an EXCLUSIVE interview that the residents had been without hot water for four days, "We are being treated unfairly, we need somebody to come to our rescue, we have no heating for the last two months, in the family building we have no hot water for four days in a row. Sometimes there would be hot water for a few hours and then it's gone." She said.

"They are cutting costs and using us as scapegoats. We have children, and new-born children in this place and they are cold. The temperature in the rooms is the same as it is out here. We have begged, tried to have meetings with them [management] and they keep giving us political promises that they will do these things. The boilers are not working for two months, I have been here for almost five years and this is an ongoing problem.

"We have only one washing machine for two hundred people. This has been building up, we have been patient, we have had protests before and we went to the Health Service Executive (HSE), nobody gave us an audience."

dodgyme

994 wrote: »

Surely filing a false claim for asylum, forging a death certificate and perjury are enough?

I guess not

AlekSmart wrote: »

Civic Recpetions,Media appearances,Giant`s of the Literary World remonstrating with greater Ireland for it`s lack of similar appreciation

Oh yes we are a country of fools for foolers

segaBOY

Sizzler wrote: »

http://www.sligotoday.ie/details.php?id=6577

Conclusion:

Whilst declining to name any individual politicians, local or national, Ms Izevbekhai continued, "The politicians know what's going on, we have taken our problems to politicians here, they know what's going on in Globe House. I know personally that we have been telling politicians for four years and still no action, just promises." She concluded.

SLIGO TODAY spoke to the private company, Bridgestock Limited, who has the contract to operate the Globe House facility. No statement was forthcoming from the Ballyhaunis, Co.Mayo based company and Managing Director Pat O'Connor was unavailable for comment.

Having been referred by Bridgestock Ltd to the governing Reception and Integration Agency (RIA) who in turn advised that they also do not make statements, the Department of Justice issued a statement in which they outlined that, "Earlier this morning (10/11/09), there was no hot water at the centre for a short period of time. The problem with the water was fixed within an hour of the problem being advised to management and a new part was installed. Residents ceased their protest earlier this morning and the matter is now resolved."

"Bridgestock Ltd holds the Q Mark for Globe House along with other accommodation centres it is responsible for and were also nominated for a national quality award. The 2009 Q Mark audits were recently completed and all of the centres run by Bridgestock Ltd passed with flying colours."

There is a clear contradiction in what the protesters are claiming and the contents of the official statement issued. Another resident, Jude from the Congo, confirmed Ms Izevbekhai’s claims. Other residents from Iran, Pakistan and Iraq said that the food was terrible and that the only thing they liked were the chips.

Dan Akroyd

With Perjury Pammy as spokesperson and the lefty loon brigade on her side, who knows they could all be eating foie gras and sirloin within the month.

PaulieD

Dan Akroyd wrote: »

With Perjury Pammy as spokesperson and the lefty loon brigade on her side, who knows they could all be eating foie gras and sirloin within the month.

Sirloin? Pammy will be on the march again. Only fillet is good enough for our Pam.

What a joke.

JonathanAnon

There is a clear contradiction in what the protesters are claiming and the contents of the official statement issued. Another resident, Jude from the Congo, confirmed Ms Izevbekhai’s claims. Other residents from Iran, Pakistan and Iraq said that the food was terrible and that the only thing they liked were the chips.

That this woman is leading a protest for her civil entitlements, when she IGNORES the long considered and fair verdict for her own case really annoys me. Only willing to obey the law when it works in her favour.

We need to boot out these chancers, we owe their countries nothing and we shouldnt have to put them up. Dont like the chips, eh? Well buy your fkn own food then spongers. :mad:

ParkRunner

Surely someone fleeing a significant and substantial risk of persecution can survive without a bit of hot water for a few hours?? :rolleyes:

HollyB

JonathanAnon wrote: »

We need to boot out these chancers, we owe their countries nothing and we shouldnt have to put them up. Dont like the chips, eh? Well buy your fkn own food then spongers. :mad:

Cueing demands for money for food and apartments with kitchen facilities.

ParkRunner

HollyB wrote: »

Cueing demands for money for food and apartments with kitchen facilities.

If they can afford a High Court challenge sure Nama can supply them with a cut-price apartment of their own. It's a win-win!

AlekSmart

The spokesperson for the protesters, Pamela Izevbekhai, a Nigerian currently fighting deportation in the Supreme Court (see related articles), told SLIGO TODAY in an EXCLUSIVE interview that the residents had been without hot water for four days, "We are being treated unfairly, we need somebody to come to our rescue,

Whoa...now hold on a cotton pickin minute here...:cool:

Is this the same Pamela Izevbekhai who only last week was to be found taking on board her own Supreme Court action....?

Are we now to accept that such a venture (A SC Submission) is so mundane that it allows time for the appellant to take on board the duties of a "Spokesperson" for a protest group ?

Although inadvertently Ms Izevbekhai is also speaking for the Plain People of Ireland when she mentions "we" and "our" though,perhaps not as she intends it to be read...

It seems as though Ms Izevbekhai and her backers are now embarking on a parallell track of high-profile media driven "Issues" all of which will point to her mercurial status as a defender of the faith and upholder of the rights of the downtrodden.

Ms Izevbekhai has been well briefed and thats becoming ever more obvious with each of her " second-comings".

Ah well back to the Supreme Court again soon......:o

HollyB

EF wrote: »

If they can afford a High Court challenge sure Nama can supply them with a cut-price apartment of their own. It's a win-win!

Except that they're not the ones paying for their High Court challenges.

We are, and I think we can guess who'd be paying for the NAMA apartments too.

Big_Mac

Feck Sake! She's only in court today to have a date set for the case. They could at least have wrapped this up today.

Wonder how much the trips to dublin and back for her alone have cost? Was she protesting about this as well the other day outside of Globe House, or was it just the fact that there was an atrocity averted over the lack of hot water for an hour or two.

How much longer can this be dragged out, until the children are married perhaps?

Link

T runner

EF wrote: »

Are you for real? Members of the RAT are required to have had not less than five years experience as a practising barrister or practising solicitor before appointment. I dont think anyone here is defending James Nicholson. Bias was found to be an issue in his case and he resigned. His cases were/are also being reviewed and I have never heard of a court settlement being made public without the consent of both parties..have you? They are by their nature private agreements between the parties involved!

The shortcomings of the RAT have been fully demonstrated in the previous thread on this case. Most successful asylum systems insist on the tribunal members having previous experience in asylum law.

5 years as a solicitor is a very long way off cutting it, Im afraid.

The trouble with Pamela is that she has not been able to prove one single part of her claim! She admitted herself that the death certificate was a forgery so why did she need to do this?

Just to answer your specific question: There were fifty something death certificates for the year in question for the area in question. The population for that area is the same as Liverpool.

Clearly issuing death certificates is not usual in Nigeria. So if a child died or not, acquiring a death certificate would in general require forgery and ofcourse bribery.

gizmo555

T runner wrote: »

Just to answer your specific question: There were fifty something death certificates for the year in question for the area in question. The population for that area is the same as Liverpool.

Clearly issuing death certificates is not usual in Nigeria. So if a child died or not, acquiring a death certificate would in general require forgery and ofcourse bribery.

This is true as far as it goes, but how can one account for this?

[A] detective inspector from the Garda National Immigration Bureau (GNIB) and Irish embassy and department of justice officials based in Lagos made an unannounced visit to consultant obstetrician and gynaecologist Dr Joseph Unokanjo. He's the medical director at Isioma Hospital, Lagos.

"It's not a hospital like the ones we're used to. It's basically a GP's office with two rooms. It's in an old colonial suburb of Lagos. It's on the second floor of a building and there's a shanty shop at the front of it," said a source.

The doctor was shown pictures of Pamela and confirmed he had met her on several occasions and treated her for the birth of her daughter Naomi. But he knew nothing about the supposed birth and death of another child named Elizabeth. "He was quite adamant that her daughter Naomi [now 7] was her first child. As a gynaecologist, he was able to definitively say that she had never had a child before that. Pamela has spoken about leaving her son behind when she fled to Ireland. But as far as we can tell, that son is her husband's child, but she helped to bring him up."

http://www.tribune.ie/article/2009/apr/05/the-curious-case-of-pamela-izevbekhai/

PaulieD

HollyB wrote: »

Cueing demands for money for food and apartments with kitchen facilities.

It may be cheaper in the long run. How much does the catering cost in these asylum centres? Supply them with relatively cheap kitchen equipment so they can prepare their own meals. It would give them something to do and they can learn new skills. I can only imagine how tedious it must be to rot away in a hostel for years on end.

blackiebest

Pamela, IMO, has lost 95% of her genuine supporters as a result of the revelations earlier this year. I was one of her supporters. I know Pamela and frankly was/am gutted as a result of her story falling apart. I feel very much for her two lovely daughters, being a father of a 5year old girl myself. For me, there is a human side to this story and having been an immigration dodger in NY in the late 80's I can understand the reasons for her forming her story. I now think she should be deported and this case drawn to a close.

What is scary though is how immature many of the comments here are, regarding Pamela, the people (like me) who had sympathy for her and foreign nationals in general. 'Cotton pickin' etc comments in this context are uncalled for and only detract from a reasoned discussion. There are so many flaws in our systems in this country, in fact Ireland is being shown clearly as the farce that it is. On the whole our 'immigrant population' issues are nothing on the overall problems here, caused by us, the Irish. I would argue that the corruption in this country is in a different league to Nigeria, we are a disaster as a population for putting up with the crap that pervades throughout Ireland and those who govern it, i.e. the Bankers as well as the Government.

Pamela will be deported along with her two (almost/practially Irish) daughters and you all will breath easier. Could I canvass you to then focus your ire on the real problems here? Sorry if a bit off topic but I think worth mentioning? We will face real demons in this country in the first 1/4 of 2010.

Sir Oxman

Won't be heard till next year now

Sizzler

gambiaman wrote: »

Won't be heard till next year now

Farcical stuff altogether.

JonathanAnon

blackiebest wrote: »

I would argue that the corruption in this country is in a different league to Nigeria, we are a disaster as a population for putting up with the crap that pervades throughout Ireland and those who govern it, i.e. the Bankers as well as the Government.

I dont see any correlation with the two issues. Of course there is corruption in our government and we need to get rid of this. This does not mean that we need to be more lenient on asylum seekers who are corrupt.

The fact that she is still in the country and being indulged by our "justice" system gives such a bad message. This encourages anybody else wanting to try and come here with some cock and bull story and "give it a lash". The second that she admitted to bringing fraudulent documentation to the courts, she should have been deported.

Pamela will be deported along with her two (almost/practially Irish) daughters and you all will breath easier. Could I canvass you to then focus your ire on the real problems here?

The woman is costing the state a fortune. Any Irish person taking a case to the Supreme Court would have to pay for it themselves unless they could argue some grounds under which the state should pay for it.

Sorry if a bit off topic but I think worth mentioning? We will face real demons in this country in the first 1/4 of 2010.

Not sure what you're on about. Are you sure you're not getting mixed up with that new movie 2012? ;-)

AlekSmart

Its interesting and not a little galling to hear the Chief Justice telling the State Lawyers that the Supreme Court could not give the Izevbekhai case any priority.

Chief Justice John Murray went on to cite the Volume of outstanding cases yet to be adjudicated upon as the reason for yet another delay in attending to this matter.

I find the Chief Justice`s stance somewhat odd,given that he presides over a Supreme Court which has been well and truly led a merry dance by Ms Izevbekhai and her various legal teams and additionally he (Chief Justice) presided over an incredibly magnanimous attitude displayed towards an argueably frivolous set of proceedings brought on behalf of the Zoe Developments Group.

Surely the Chief Justice has a function in keeping some form of order on his court procedures ?
Justice Murray does not appear to recognize the (potentially lethal) damage which has been inflicted upon the higher- courts of Ireland by these abberational sets of proceedings.

There is a human side to this story and having been an immigration dodger in NY in the late 80's I can understand the reasons for her forming her story. I now think she should be deported and this case drawn to a close.

As Blackiebest posts,the human side to the Izevbekhai case has been well to the fore since its inception.
The country has been fully informed,even educated on the awfulness of life in Nigeria and the potential danger to Ms Izevbekhai`s daughters.
However,this tactic has not served,of itself,to obscure what is turning out to be a very murky business indeed.

We will face real demons in this country in the first 1/4 of 2010.

I`m assuming Blackiebest`s point here is that Q1 2010 is the due date for a serious amount of outstanding "Rolled-Up"(deferred) interest/principal loans to be repaid.

This of itself may well inflate the Supreme Courts list to new and unimagined volumes.... :eek: