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Middle Class Area= No Bonfire, Working Class Area= Burn The Whole Thing Down

Voltex

I wanted to bring my son to see a bonfire ( his first) and drove around our area (considered a middle class area) for ages looking for one...but just couldnt seem to find one.

I then found myself in a working class part of Tallaght that seemed to have a bonfire on every street corner and with groups of people seeminly set up to be there for the long haul...

Im just curious now as to why that would be...

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FlutterinBantam

KungPao wrote: »

This thread reeks of insecurity. People desperately trying to distance themselves from 'the working class'.

Most don't seem to even understand what class is, or what the system represents.

I hate all this class business. As Jumbo once said in Only fools and horses, 'a blokes just a bloke'.

Indeed Jumbo, indeed.

Are you actually serious.??

KungPao

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Are you actually serious.??

That's a very vague question.

Am I serious about what?

captainspeckle

im sorry, i seem to be the only person who thinks its weird that starting at a fire is considered fun.

craggles

Sorry, but this thread is full of idiots. Hope this helps.

Dudess

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

because they know how to have a party

Reminds me of: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znv-RFOBoxo

Sheeps wrote: »

In middle and upper class areas the people actually take pride in their communities.

I was talking to a friend from Ballyboden (middle-class yeah?) tonight and she said there are bonfires in her locality every year.
A guy I know from Montenotte (posh) says there are bonfires in his neighbourhood every year.

I'm right by The Glen - considered not lovely. No trouble tonight. Eerily quiet in fact.

Thread scares me...

tallaght01

Anyone who says people have bonfires in working class areas because they have no community pride has never been at a bonfire They're all about community pride and community spirit

They're hilarious.

I used to go round "collecting" firewood (and anything flammable) when I was a kid. People who couldn't afford a skip just kept the stuff until october and would give you basically the contents of their back garden. Even got a set of swings once!!!

The local factories would get fleeced of their pallets, and these huge wooden spools.

Greats nights, they were. I was too young then to care about the big black burn marks left all over the estate, which I now think is a shame. Though I rang home to Ireland last night and was asking about halloween. I told them of my concern for the grass, and was told "ah don't worry, the council reseeds the whole place early november each year".

I

halloween

Handsome Bob

Voltex wrote: »

I wanted to bring my son to see a bonfire ( his first) and drove around our area (considered a middle class area) for ages looking for one...but just couldnt seem to find one.

That's because you have too many clowns crying about kids collecting wood.

I then found myself in a working class part of Tallaght that seemed to have a bonfire on every street corner and with groups of people seeminly set up to be there for the long haul...

Im just curious now as to why that would be...

I live in a working class area and we had a non-existant bonfire. Why? Because people cried about kids collecting wood and had their wood confiscated,

At the end of the day it comes down to who hides their wood better.

stovelid

themont85 wrote: »

but I was Blackrock/Foxrock tonight and saw plenty of bombfires

Those goddamn affluent kids. Always have to go one better.

Terry

Damn those working class scumbags.
How dare the ordinary working man partake in a yearly tradition. I'm shocked and appalled by the whole idea of communities getting together on one night of the year.

Complete scum. I'm willing to bet that all those working class people are unemployed too.

So here we are in the middle of the worst recession the country has ever seen and people who work (the working class) are considered scum.

Kudos, AH. You never fail to astound me.

Oh, you didn't mean working class?
You meant poor people?
Well why don't you just come out and say poor people instead?

I've worked all over this country and one thing was constant on every job. When I was working in an upper class area, we were treated like **** and the people we worked for were tight as fúck. They would count how many tiles they needed. They never factored in breakage or flawed tiles. They'd nearly have a shít haemmorage when we would run out of tiles. They would also go to the most expensive tile shop in their area and buy the cheapest tile.
They would keep the door open and watch us like a hawk. I think they thought we were going to steal something.
We'd just laugh it off. I mean, when you're getting €800 for a day's work, it's not like you need to steal stuff. Plus it was usually just tacky ornaments that they would have around the house. The cheapest carpets. Walls that hadn't seen a lick of paint in years.
Then the big car in the driveway.

Working class areas were a completely different story.
They would have a fry on when we arrived. Tea every half an hour (not that we took it. It was basically a Mrs. Doyle type thing). Food from the chipper or a big dinner. No expense spared on the tiles.
Believe me when I say that some of these areas were rough as ****. I remember one job where the man of the house had a couple of sawn off shotguns and the local pub had grilles on the windows. Clondalkin is a mad place.
They still treated us like kings though and money was never a problem on any of those jobs.
A lot of them would offer payment up front (something I never take, but that's a personal thing).
If they weren't going to be home they would leave us the key. Some would leave a note telling us to help ourselves to whatever was in the fridge, or leave a score for us to get lunch.
The homes were always spotless. They might have driven crappy cars, but the inside of their houses were a completely different story.
We'd always get a tip at the end of the job too. If it wasn't money, it would be a tray of beer. ****ing salt of the earth. I really miss those jobs.

So while you all look down on us working class people, remember one thing.
I've been in your houses and I know how you live. From down here, it looks like a really crappy way to live.
Hang onto those ornaments though. The antiques roadshow might give you a few bob for them in 50 years. And remember, once you have a big car outside you big house, people will think that you're rich.

P.S. I live in a council estate. I'll root out some pictures of the view from the front of my house some day. Fantastic view.
Also, we haven't had a bonfire since 1992. Most of us were 16 or 17 at the time and we knew it would be our last year collecting for it (that's where most of the fun is had too), so we decided to go out with a bang.
It burnt for a week. The fire brigade came up the following Saturday to put it out. We didn't assault them either.

Have fun living next to drug barons, corrupt bankers, paedophile priests, corrupt politicians and the like.
I'm quite content in my scum hole. 106 houses. 15 burglaries and about 20 cars stolen in 34 years. Very few assaults and the only junkies are from neighbouring private estates (except for one, but he's been like that for about 30 years now and pretty much keeps to himself).
Life in scumtown is damn good.

*eadaoin

LZ5by5 wrote: »

I live in a working class area and we had a non-existant bonfire. Why? Because people cried about kids collecting wood and had their wood confiscated,

At the end of the day it comes down to who hides their wood better.

lol stealth bonfires are the best ones

i grew up in the country, my next door neighbour had a farm & every year for halloween they would build a huge bonfire on their land. then on the night all the families from the road would gather together & sit around the fire on haybales, there was food, music and good craic. it was a great way to do halloween

Thirdfox

Lol Terry is getting more and more vocal in his outrage.

Talking about being biased against Roma and Travellers on a different thread - and this generalisation of the middle/upper-class people? Take a chill pill man.

I think safe, controlled bonfires are the way to go. You get reckless kids throwing fireworks onto them (and almost hitting houses/spectators) - not a good idea.

On the other hand - many of the "middle/upper" class people are dressed like sluts (females obviously) - not a great image either (but at least it won't take anyone's eye out literally

citizen_p

unemployed and they have the time....

anfd your in a city.....not exactly easy to build a bonfire without the gardai knowing.......where as in tallaght they dont give a ****

Epic Tissue

Anyone else wonder why a class system even exists? Seems to me like some people just want to make themselves sound better

eviltwin

I live in a council estate in Dublin 15 with plenty of green space for potential bonfires but last night there wasn't a single thing going on. Its been like that since I moved here 7 years ago.

We had fireworks alright but no more than I was used to where I used to live ( middle class dublin 5 )

Even if there had been one so what? Its only one night of the year and for the majority its just a bit of fun, they are not all out to cause mayhem.

super_furry

Since when did Ireland have upper-class people anyway? The entire notion is laughable.

Dudess

Thirdfox wrote: »

and this generalisation of the middle/upper-class people?

Yeah Terry, while some of the comments on this thread are disgusting* you can be really harsh and unfair with the sweeping statements about people who happen to be born into middle-class families. I've never in my life done a thing to keep up appearances, not remotely interested in wealth, it wouldn't even enter my head to feel superior to or judge someone because of their background rather than their behaviour/character.

I too find some of the stuff on After Hours absolutely shocking - e.g. this:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055650856

We're not all snobby, ignorant, clueless *****. I know you'll say you know that and you don't mean us all, but the language you use... it just has a real ring of "them and us" to it, which is ironically what you're objecting to in the first place.

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Sheeps wrote: »

In middle and upper class areas the people actually take pride in their communities.

phasers

I live in a very working class estate in Clondalkin and there were no bonfires, no trick or treaters and very few fireworks? Wtf?

AnonoBoy

I pretty much despise people of all classes as they all seem to pick on me.

NothingMan

Living and growing up in Tallaght I would have to say that some generalisations are true. There were times in my teens when I was afraid to walk home and there have been more than a few murders and shootings in my area.

However it really is the scummy few who give credence to the mass generalisations. I do agree with Terry that the majority of "working class" people are extremely generous and full of community spirit. There might be some more rubbish on the streets in some areas, but then again my gf who lives in a "upper class" area hasd a street sweeper coming around once a week. I have never seen a street sweeper in my estate in 24 years.

As for the pride in the community, "upper class" areas may have nicer landscaped gardens and astheticly pleasing houses, but from my experience you never get a sense of community in these places. In my area if there's a party half the road are invited. People are always stopping and having a chat in the streets when they pass by, and on new years half the road is out banging pots and pans and then into one neighbours house for a big session.

I'm not saying this doesn't happen in more affluent areas, but from my experience it's much more visable in our poorer areas or council estates (although most people in my estate would have bought their house by now).

Dudess

NothingMan wrote: »

As for the pride in the community, "upper class" areas may have nicer landscaped gardens and astheticly pleasing houses, but from my experience you never get a sense of community in these places. In my area if there's a party half the road are invited. People are always stopping and having a chat in the streets when they pass by, and on new years half the road is out banging pots and pans and then into one neighbours house for a big session.

This is something that struck me all right about the "middle and upper class neighbourhoods have more pride in their communities" comment. I'm familiar with a lot of run-of-the-mill middle-class (don't confuse "middle-class" with "rich" either) neighbourhoods and while many of them do have quite a strong sense of community, a considerable number don't - my own, for instance. I always hated that, growing up.