Wrestling Sites: Pinch Of Salt?

flahavaj wrote: »

Observer?

Yes. See as soon as I read an insider said, locker room heat, a source etc I take it to be lies, guesswork and speculation. A kind of scattergun approach telling a good few stories and hope one of them comes true.

We bit off topic but here is an example from the Observer this week

Credit: Wrestling Observer Newsletter

Quote:
The McIntyre push is largely inspired by HHH as well as Michaels. Both have gotten behind the idea that this guy is going to be a guy to build the company around in the future. Several have noted the similarity of McIntyre as an Irish version of HHH from 1995, similar height and physique, similar hair, looks and somewhat similar working ability at the same stage of the game. As you can imagine, there is a lot of resentment because a whole slew of guys who have been there for five years that they say they are going to elevate but have to get their games to a certain level or they can’t headline see this. Right now on Raw, unless you get the personal stamp of approval from HHH, Michaels, Cena or Orton, the feeling is you can’t get past a certain level.

Complete nonsense.

Surely a journalist worth his money would know McIntyre is Scottish and the reason he is being pushed as a heel just now is the bad press Scotland are getting in the states just now for releasing the Lybian bomber. A Scottish heel at the same time the US media is highlighting the Scottish government as the bad guys. Its obvious the wwe are playing off this publicity but you man thinks its because an "irish hhh"

Stories like this do wrestling journalism no favours.

I know its miles off topic but trying to show why i dont trust any wrestling sites.

Machismo Fan

davrho wrote: »

Credit: Wrestling Observer Newsletter

Quote:
The McIntyre push is largely inspired by HHH as well as Michaels. Both have gotten behind the idea that this guy is going to be a guy to build the company around in the future. Several have noted the similarity of McIntyre as an Irish version of HHH from 1995, similar height and physique, similar hair, looks and somewhat similar working ability at the same stage of the game. As you can imagine, there is a lot of resentment because a whole slew of guys who have been there for five years that they say they are going to elevate but have to get their games to a certain level or they can’t headline see this. Right now on Raw, unless you get the personal stamp of approval from HHH, Michaels, Cena or Orton, the feeling is you can’t get past a certain level.

What was the actual source for that piece?

Rjd2

davrho wrote: »

Yes. See as soon as I read an insider said, locker room heat, a source etc I take it to be lies, guesswork and speculation. A kind of scattergun approach telling a good few stories and hope one of them comes true.

We bit off topic but here is an example from the Observer this week

Credit: Wrestling Observer Newsletter

Quote:
The McIntyre push is largely inspired by HHH as well as Michaels. Both have gotten behind the idea that this guy is going to be a guy to build the company around in the future. Several have noted the similarity of McIntyre as an Irish version of HHH from 1995, similar height and physique, similar hair, looks and somewhat similar working ability at the same stage of the game. As you can imagine, there is a lot of resentment because a whole slew of guys who have been there for five years that they say they are going to elevate but have to get their games to a certain level or they can’t headline see this. Right now on Raw, unless you get the personal stamp of approval from HHH, Michaels, Cena or Orton, the feeling is you can’t get past a certain level.

Complete nonsense.

Surely a journalist worth his money would know McIntyre is Scottish and the reason he is being
pushed as a heel just now is the bad press Scotland are getting in the states just now for releasing the Lybian bomber. A Scottish heel at the same time the US media is highlighting the Scottish government as the bad guys. Its obvious the wwe are playing off this publicity but you man thinks its because an "irish hhh"

Stories like this do wrestling journalism no favours.

I know its miles off topic but trying to show why i dont trust any wrestling sites.

Is that actually from The Observer? Lots of stupid sites do stick Dave's name on their rubbish to give it some credibility. PW Insider who I rate highly have the same problem.

davrho wrote: »

Yes. See as soon as I read an insider said, locker room heat, a source etc I take it to be lies, guesswork and speculation. A kind of scattergun approach telling a good few stories and hope one of them comes true.

We bit off topic but here is an example from the Observer this week

Credit: Wrestling Observer Newsletter

Quote:
The McIntyre push is largely inspired by HHH as well as Michaels. Both have gotten behind the idea that this guy is going to be a guy to build the company around in the future. Several have noted the similarity of McIntyre as an Irish version of HHH from 1995, similar height and physique, similar hair, looks and somewhat similar working ability at the same stage of the game. As you can imagine, there is a lot of resentment because a whole slew of guys who have been there for five years that they say they are going to elevate but have to get their games to a certain level or they can’t headline see this. Right now on Raw, unless you get the personal stamp of approval from HHH, Michaels, Cena or Orton, the feeling is you can’t get past a certain level.

Complete nonsense.

Surely a journalist worth his money would know McIntyre is Scottish and the reason he is being pushed as a heel just now is the bad press Scotland are getting in the states just now for releasing the Lybian bomber. A Scottish heel at the same time the US media is highlighting the Scottish government as the bad guys. Its obvious the wwe are playing off this publicity but you man thinks its because an "irish hhh"

Stories like this do wrestling journalism no favours.

I know its miles off topic but trying to show why i dont trust any wrestling sites.

at the end of the day dude the iwc is like a giant game of chinese whispers, someone says this.. someone says that.. but at least with the observer and pwinsider there not the ones getting the 2nd or 3rd hand information and printing it as fact or else making up an email and posting it as fact!

Rjd2 wrote: »

Is that actually from The Observer? Lots of stupid sites do stick Dave's name on their rubbish to give it some credibility. PW Insider who I rate highly have the same problem.

It was posted on the wrestling 24 site. I have pm'd the poster to get the direct link. Hopefully he will get back to me by the morning.

The problem is not just people posting rubbish its the amount of folk who believe it.

I trust dirtsheets and wrestling websites as much as i trust the Sun for publishing actual news.

Machismo Fan

davrho wrote: »

It was posted on the wrestling 24 site. I have pm'd the poster to get the direct link. Hopefully he will get back to me by the morning.

The point was that it didn't come from The Wrestling Observer, the gist of it did but then whoever decided to take that out of the Observer added their own crap. PW Insider and The Wrestling Observer meticulously research anything they post and they only report something if they can verify it with a reliable source.

gimmick

Split for the Shane McMahon topic, as that thread was twisting and turning a bit. Besides, the whole issue of wrestling journalism could make for a decent topic.

waltersobchak wrote: »

making up an email and posting it as fact!

Is this e mail the same one in the Wrestling Observer? It was not a fact either. It was an opinion alledgedly made by an ex employee.

You have just highlighted one of the problems with wrestling journalism and wrestling fans. Peolpes opinions are not facts.

davrho wrote: »

Yes. See as soon as I read an insider said, locker room heat, a source etc I take it to be lies, guesswork and speculation. A kind of scattergun approach telling a good few stories and hope one of them comes true.

We bit off topic but here is an example from the Observer this week

Credit: Wrestling Observer Newsletter

Quote:
The McIntyre push is largely inspired by HHH as well as Michaels. Both have gotten behind the idea that this guy is going to be a guy to build the company around in the future. Several have noted the similarity of McIntyre as an Irish version of HHH from 1995, similar height and physique, similar hair, looks and somewhat similar working ability at the same stage of the game. As you can imagine, there is a lot of resentment because a whole slew of guys who have been there for five years that they say they are going to elevate but have to get their games to a certain level or they can’t headline see this. Right now on Raw, unless you get the personal stamp of approval from HHH, Michaels, Cena or Orton, the feeling is you can’t get past a certain level.

Complete nonsense.

Surely a journalist worth his money would know McIntyre is Scottish and the reason he is being pushed as a heel just now is the bad press Scotland are getting in the states just now for releasing the Lybian bomber. A Scottish heel at the same time the US media is highlighting the Scottish government as the bad guys. Its obvious the wwe are playing off this publicity but you man thinks its because an "irish hhh"

Stories like this do wrestling journalism no favours.

I know its miles off topic but trying to show why i dont trust any wrestling sites.

Which observer are you claiming that this is from cause I can check. I subscribe to F4Wonline because the podcasts are amazing for less than 2 euro a week. Bruno was on yesterday, Heyman will be on today and they have two great MMA shows as well and a phenomenal board. Rarely read the newsletters unless I'm bored in college.

Also, a mistake like that doesn't make him a bad journalist. He has alot more important things to do than get Drew's nationality right. He has a valid story so he put it up. I'd trust it. The editor is meant to notice mistakes like that. Not the journalist

davrho wrote: »

Is this e mail the same one in the Wrestling Observer? It was not a fact either. It was an opinion alledgedly made by an ex employee.

You have just highlighted one of the problems with wrestling journalism and wrestling fans. Peolpes opinions are not facts.

absolutely thats a great point, wrestling journalism is an industry of opinion and half truths, and i always believed that most of those half truths are feed to the dirt sheets by the wwe themselves.. because sometimes the backstage stories are more interesting than the actual onscreen storylines.. and the gossip good or bad is good for their business

Bubs101 wrote: »

Which observer are you claiming that this is from cause I can check. I subscribe to F4Wonline because the podcasts are amazing for less than 2 euro a week. Bruno was on yesterday, Heyman will be on today and they have two great MMA shows as well and a phenomenal board. Rarely read the newsletters unless I'm bored in college.

Also, a mistake like that doesn't make him a bad journalist. He has alot more important things to do than get Drew's nationality right. He has a valid story so he put it up. I'd trust it. The editor is meant to notice mistakes like that. Not the journalist

It was posted on the 10th October on wrestle 24 if that helps and credited to the wrestling obsever newsletter. I am still waiting on a reply from the guy who sourced it and posted it.

Its not really the scots irish mix up thats the issue. Scotland is high on the agenda in current affairs in the states and this is the reason your man is getting pushed as a heel not because McIntyre looks like HHH. Its hardly a new tactic by Vince using whats in the news to bring attention to wwe. The journalist surely must know this. Is it coincidence Drew's push started when the scots government released the Lockerbie bomber causing uproar and condemnation in the US.

I would agree with you there Waltersobchac that the wwe deliberately give false information out too to discredit journalists but keep attention to the brand.

Is meltzer alays 100% corect on every little fact he posts? Not at all, in fact he has a BIG problem differentiating between the British isles and Ireland it seems to me anyway.

But is he by far the most credible and prolific journalist currently commentating on wrestling, if not ever? Absolutely. His credentials are absolutely impeccable and he wouldn't post a story on his site unless he genuinely believed its validity. 99.9% of the time hes spot on and if hes not he'll put his hands up and say so. I never believe any rumour I hear about wrestling until its confirmed in the Observer. Its also not his fault that other sites constantly take his stories, mangle them into a warped version of the truth and try to pass it off as their own.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is dealing in generalisations as per usual *cough davrho cough*.

chopperbyrne

flahavaj wrote: »

Is meltzer alays 100% corect on every little fact he posts? Not at all, in fact he has a BIG problem differentiating between the British isles and Ireland it seems to me anyway.

Ireland is a part of the British Isles. It's a geographical term, nothing else.

Come on Flahavaj if this is credited to Meltzer its a major feck up.

Scotland and the release of the Lockerbie bomber has been headline news state side for a month now. McIntyres push is playing off this. It has nothing to do with him looking like HHH or back stage cliques. Thats lazy to say the least.

I have no doubt people steal his work and twist it and fair play to you for pointing it out. That rajah piece they just stole the whole email.

I just dont have faith in wrestling journalism. If thats a generalisation then so be it.

davrho wrote: »

Come on Flahavaj if this is credited to Meltzer its a major feck up.

Scotland and the release of the Lockerbie bomber has been headline news state side for a month now. McIntyres push is playing off this. It has nothing to do with him looking like HHH or back stage cliques. Thats lazy to say the least.

How is it a major **** up. It's a running joke on that site that Alvarez refuses to acknowledge Irish independance to piss of a former notorious member of this forum.

Also, it has not been headline news in at least 6 weeks and even when it happened it was far bigger news here than there. Nothing is pushing Obama of the top of the card these days apart from letterman's cock.

So you reckon McIntyre is being pushed because he looks like a young HHH?

McIntyre had disappered off the screens till these events kicked off.

The Libyian leader at the UN was never out the news too. It is high on the agenda in current affairs and the outrage at the release of a "terrorist" did hit the headlines. Vince is playing off this.

Handsome Bob

If there was ever a thread that could tempt Rovert back. :pac:

davrho wrote: »

Come on Flahavaj if this is credited to Meltzer its a major feck up.

Scotland and the release of the Lockerbie bomber has been headline news state side for a month now. McIntyres push is playing off this. It has nothing to do with him looking like HHH or back stage cliques. Thats lazy to say the least.

I have no doubt people steal his work and twist it and fair play to you for pointing it out. That rajah piece they just stole the whole email.

I just dont have faith in wrestling journalism. If thats a generalisation then so be it.

its not just meltzer that they do it too, pwinsider is practically raped by rajah etc etc..they take portions out of mike johnson and the other guys hotlines and rewrite them completely out of context and then credit them.. to be honest this shows how lazy wrestling journalism is.. that was also proven recently when a rumour was starting on a gamefaq forum and then spend to the news sites as fact.. also and i think its also unfair to be hung up on nationalities as most americas dont know the difference between english, scottish or welsh..

davrho wrote: »

So you reckon McIntyre is being pushed because he looks like a young HHH?

McIntyre had disappered off the screens till these events kicked off.

The Libyian leader at the UN was never out the news too. It is high on the agenda in current affairs and the outrage at the release of a "terrorist" did hit the headlines. Vince is playing off this.

He's not. The events happened a good two months ago. They don't even push McIntyre's scottishness that much. if they did he'd be given a highlander gimmick. McIntyre's being pushed because Hunter likes him.

Bubs101 wrote: »

He's not. The events happened a good two months ago. They don't even push McIntyre's scottishness that much. if they did he'd be given a highlander gimmick. McIntyre's being pushed because Hunter likes him.

A tartan terrorist? Interesting:pac: So quickly after the highlander gimmick failed you reckon they would use it again?

How come he just started liking him now as Scotland hit the news with controversy? Why not in the last year or so?

davrho wrote: »

A tartan terrorist? Interesting:pac: So quickly after the highlander gimmick failed you reckon they would use it again?

How come he just started liking him now as Scotland hit the news with controversy? Why not in the last year or so?

mohammad tartan makes perfect sense quick call davairi

davrho wrote: »

A tartan terrorist? Interesting:pac: So quickly after the highlander gimmick failed you reckon they would use it again?

How come he just started liking him now as Scotland hit the news with controversy? Why not in the last year or so?

You do know what developmental is for yeah. To develop talent. Hence not the last year or something and I doubt Hunter started liking him because of a terrorist debacle. And do you really think that they would have been as subtle to not mention it if that was the reason? And that they would cosy up to something like that during Linda's senate run and their PG13 way? Not to mention Muhammed Hussan? Seriously. You can't be serious about this

davrho wrote: »

A tartan terrorist? Interesting:pac: So quickly after the highlander gimmick failed you reckon they would use it again?

How come he just started liking him now as Scotland hit the news with controversy? Why not in the last year or so?

but seriously though Mcintyre was on the road with Raw and Smackdown around the same time as Sheamus which is about 6 months ago.. so they obviously cant be related. its purely coincidental maybe it allowed them to be more decisive in calling him up, but do you really think vince would have bigged him up if HHH hadn't have done it to vince first??

Its not as if Vince has not used this tactic before. On the American boards there is the feeling that Vince is using the Scots card as its a popular topic over there.

He may not be directly linking it but there surely bad press for Scotland then a Scottish heel suddenly comes out from developement is more than just a coincidence?

I honestly think there is more to it than HHH suddenly taking a liking to the boy.

DM_7

That Drew McIntyre piece was pretty poor looking but the idea that HHH or HBK like his look is not a wild idea.

I'm not convinced Drews promotion was sudden or to do with the bomber talk. He was given the FCW title like most guys before being promoted to dark matches. Drew was working dark matches with Ricky Steamboat, Jamie Noble and Jimmy Yang. Its two years since he was on smackdown the first time.

Whats your source for this Lockerbie bombing theory then davrho? Or have you just made it up? As others have said, McIntyre's Scottishness hasn't even ben emphasisied on TV.

And whats so outlandish about HHH liking the look of a young talent and wanting him pushed anyway? Even if he thinks the guy reminds him of himself when he started out is that really THAT outrageous a story?

But hey, why let common sense get in the way of a sweeping generalisation.

As for rovert, I f*cking wish he would come back, the forum needs him now more than ever. Although some of the outrageous stuff that davrho says does cefrtainly have an f4w wind-up kinda feel about it tbh.