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Sunderland V Liverpool 17/10/09 Match Thread

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Torres & Gerrard - Both out for tomorrow. Off the LFC website.

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That_Guy

Got Sunderland at 9/2 to win. Quids in.

Podge2k7

We were fcuking brutal today. We didn't deserve anything.
We need to seriously cop on, or we mightn't finish in the top 4 this year.
A win next Sunday is a must!

joe123

SlickRic wrote: »

rafa has got it right plenty of times; he got it wrong today.

the players didn't pull him out of this one. it's a joint effort, and the players, as much as the manager, should not abstained from blame.

well done sunderland though, it must be said.

We didnt HAVE the players to pull us out of this game. Not up front anyways.

Thinking about it todays team there are quite a few sunderland players who would of made the starting 11 in that liverpool side today. Thats scary.

[Deleted User]

That_Guy wrote: »

Got Sunderland at 9/2 to win. Quids in.

I'm sure you did !!

8-10

That_Guy wrote: »

Got Sunderland at 9/2 to win. Quids in.

Aftertiming is the mortal sin of gambling. Who gives a balloon what you had?

Johner

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5V0wfB3Iic&feature=player_embedded

Kess73

The better team won today, and that bloody hurts to say when you are playing against Sunderland.

No disrespect meant to any Sunderland fans, but any team that harboured title hopes should not be beat by the Sunderlands of the league.

For most of that game two things were missing by Liverpool imho, cohesion and heart.

spockety

spockety wrote: »

I predict a convincing Liverpool win.

I don't fancy reading this thread to be honest!

But just to say, how wrong was I?

Fair play to Sunderland, they were excellent. European spot contenders if they carry on playing like that.

[Deleted User]

Kess73 wrote: »

The better team won today, and that bloody hurts to say when you are playing against Sunderland.

No disrespect meant to any Sunderland fans, but any team that harboured title hopes should not be beat by the Sunderlands of the league.

For most of that game two things were missing by Liverpool imho, cohesion and heart.

They deserved it.

And they deserve to be above us in the lague as they now are.

Unearthly

Liverpool have had a dreadful start to the season really. You have to think they need to beat Man Utd next week or it's business as usual with exception of lasts eason under Benitez with being out of contention in the league early in the season.

postalservice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UATjzVBWoxQ

Tusky

Better team won. The tactics and formation didnt work...not even for a moment. How many chances did we have in the entire game ?

See - it really doesnt make sense to me. Playing without your two best attacking players is going to knock the team...so why completely change the system also ? Its just too many changes in a short amount of time.

I reckon Mascherano could have played today - he hasnt played that many minutes this season and seemed to be bursting with energy when he came on. He could have at least played the first 60 minutes. With that in mind, which of the following teams/formations would yea go for ?

Reina

Johnson----Carra---Agger----Aurelio

Lucas--Masch

--Kuyt

Benny

Riera

Babel/N'Gog

OR

Reina

Skrtel

Carra

Agger

Johnson---Spearing---Lucas----Aurelio

----Babel

Benny

Kuyt

It just doesnt make sense to me to completely change the system because 2 players are injured.

mayordenis

Reina, Agger and Johnson were the only players who put in a decent shift from the start today.
Voronin and Masch were good after coming on.

so that's 5 from the 14 today were anywhere close to what was needed.

Well done sunderland anyway, could of had 4.

spockety

I would have liked to see Kuyt on the right from the start, and Ngog on instead of Babel from the start.

I liked Spearing, his distribution was pretty good. He can hold his head up after that game.

Handsome Bob

spockety wrote: »

I don't fancy reading this thread to be honest!

But just to say, how wrong was I?

Fair play to Sunderland, they were excellent. European spot contenders if they carry on playing like that.

How, in good knowledge of what we were missing, could you have predicted a convincing Livepool win, especially after what they did to Man U two weeks ago?

spockety

LZ5by5 wrote: »

How, in good knowledge of what we were missing, could you have predicted a convincing Livepool win, especially after what they did to Man U two weeks ago?

I had more faith in the players than I should have, in hindsight.

Nalz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txIK4hC3IPc

Handsome Bob

spockety wrote: »

I had more faith in the players than I should have, in hindsight.

Aye, same here. I thought we would get a tight 1-0/2-1/3-2. I'm really disappointed in the likes of Dirk and Yossi, they should have been the ones to lead the team through this tough situation.

Nalz

LZ5by5 wrote: »

Dirk and Yossi.

NOT GOOD ENOUGH

Handsome Bob

Trilla wrote: »

NOT GOOD ENOUGH

For context, are you a Liverpool fan?

mayordenis

Either way in todays game yossi and dirk were simply not good enough and should of been removed from proceedings ahead of babel.

SlickRic

LZ5by5 wrote: »

Aye, same here. I thought we would get a tight 1-0/2-1/3-2. I'm really disappointed in the likes of Dirk and Yossi, they should have been the ones to lead the team.

yossi didn't get the ball because of our midfield pairing.

lucas cannot stamp his authority on a game. for all our defending of him, he cannot run a midfield. he hasn't the maturity yet to be the senior player in the engine room. once masch came on, the control was a bit better, and we delivered the ball better into danger areas. but it was too late.

that was also dirk's first poor game in quite a while.

rafa must take a lot of the blame for that God-forsaken formation, and his refusal to budge from it.

ParkRunner

Johner wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5V0wfB3Iic&feature=player_embedded

What the hell was Reina doing going for the balloon?

mayordenis

SlickRic wrote: »

yossi didn't get the ball because of our midfield pairing.

lucas cannot stamp his authority on a game. for all our defending of him, he cannot run a midfield. he hasn't the maturity yet to be the senior player in the engine room. once masch came on, the control was a bit better, and we delivered the ball better into danger areas. but it was too late.

that was also dirk's first poor game in quite a while.

rafa must take a lot of the blame for that God-forsaken formation, and his refusal to budge from it.

Wrong, Yossi got the ball plenty today and lost it on more or less every occassion - watch the game again if you want proof - he constantly ran into players, directly into them. Not at the races today.

mayordenis

EF wrote: »

What the hell was Reina doing going for the balloon?

It's how eyesight works. differentiating at the pace is not possible.

Mr Alan

****e performance from too many today including Rafa.

fair play to Sunderland.

****ing poxy balloon-never rains, it pours

Handsome Bob

SlickRic wrote: »

rafa must take a lot of the blame for that God-forsaken formation, and his refusal to budge from it.

To be fair, on paper this sounds pretty sweet;

Reina

Agger---Carra---Skrtel----
-Aurelio

Johnson-

Up to there, I had no problem with the formation, and had Gerrard and Torres been fit I'm sure it would have worked.

SlickRic

mayordenis wrote: »

Wrong, Yossi got the ball plenty today and lost it on more or less every occassion - watch the game again if you want proof - he constantly ran into players, directly into them. Not at the races today.

he tried to do too much on his own, absolutely, and i'm not defending his performance as much as it may seem. apologies.

he maybe got the ball more than i made out, but like i said during the game, he and kuyt had zero support. all our players - dirk, yossi, even johnson trying to run through players because of a lack of other options, as well as his own poor play.

our midfield, for whatever reason, was as stagnant as muck.

again, the tactics and formation were the main culprits today for me; and i'm never quick to blame rafa.

there were also too many poor performances. but it honestly looked like the players had no idea what to do in that f***ing system.

NaiveMelodies

So apt

Feck wont work, someone get 99 red balloons up lads

Nalz

LZ5by5 wrote: »

For context, are you a Liverpool fan?

why does it matter? I'm a football fan. LOI, premiership, La Liga, my back garden, FIFA 10, subbuteo and Football Manager.

Kuyt and Beny are not the type of players you should be relying on to get results away from home against in form on the up teams...average, squad players and massively inconsistent. Especially Yossi