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The Irish music industry - no support for its own?

Da Funky Munky

I heard recently that some fella from Tralee is now one of the biggest selling artists in Germany, his name is "Antone" or something similar. It got me thinking about the serious lack of support for Irish bands and artists here. Antone had to find success in another country.

Do we support international bands over oour own too much in Ireland? Who is responsible for lack of structure? The PPI? IMRO?

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CianRyan

Stop listening to shíte Irish music.

Find A Way - hardcore/poppunk
Famine - hardcore
Frustration - hardcore
Forced Out - hardcore
Red Enemy - Metalcore
Hero In Error - Metalcore
Home Star Runner - poppunk
I Fight Crime - poppunk
The Shower Scene - poppunk
Downhill - poppunk
Etcha - powerpop/rock/indie

That's just a hand full from Dublin and partly Kildare alone.

People saying Irish music is crap and only listening to what's on spin is probably the worst thing in the world.
OPEN YOUR FCUKING EYES!!!
There's so much going on in this country, so much talent, so many gigs and yes, we do have a lot of people in the music scene but not nearly enough.

Get involved.

Snowie

What so we can all sing the praise of the Paddy Casey..

who bye the way SUCKS

RealEstateKing

The reason people dont support Irish acts is the same reason most people watch English football.

Ireland is a small country and anything that comes from either of the two big English speaking countries we are sandwiched between is automatically gonna seem more glamourous and interesting.

Im sure people who live somewhere comparable in population/importance to Ireland usually feel the same: Do you think people in Des Moines, Iowa only listen to Iowan music?

Like us, they probably listen to SOME Iowan music, with most coming from elsewhere .

speedboatchase

MarkN wrote: »

First of all, Irish bands don't have a 'right' to airplay. If you've got the appeal that a station programmer is looking for that he/she feels will sound ok on their business then you'll get played. Secondly, a lot of it is loud, heavy, shyte that isn't suitable for a lot of stations - particularly hit music stations. Why does someone that tunes into the likes of the stations mentioned already in this thread want to hear a new Irish band they've never heard of? The answer is they don't.

I am the head of music in a large Irish station and only yesterday met the Shoos after playing them for a couple of months, they couldn't have been more grateful for the support - just one example. What's more if you hate the Coronas, there's 100 other people that love them, if they were getting no airplay and deemed "cool" then you would probably like them, being a victim of your own success happens a lot in this country as once you do actually make it you're a 'sell-out' of some sort.

I hear Phantom constantly doing their bit for Irish music, I hear uncovered unplugged gigs on many radio stations, but these Irish bands don't keep the stations afloat - the new single from Lady Gaga or Kings of Leon does.

Maybe a lot of people don't understand the job of a radio station - to appeal to the biggest amount of audience you can to make the most amount of money you can. That's it, in a sentence.

Your typical fan of Irish music that doesn't stretch as far as the success of the Coronas or The Blizzards probably doesn't even have the likes of 104, 98, Spin preset on their radio so why would stations even bother to try draw them when they know they won't be able to survive by playing the songs less people demand and dropping the ones they do want to hear in return?

Just giving you the look of the world from inside.

Can your station play some Phoenix? I love them and wanna be able to listen to them drifting around in the background during work. Ta

franklyshocked

I'm all for building a better Irish music industry

See:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=62569404#post62569404

Tickets are free but must be ordered from the box office

orourkeda

THE REDNECK MANIFESTO.

Best Irish Band Ever.

It's not all bad

Sorry

Go on the Warlords of Pez!

starbelgrade

orourkeda wrote: »

THE REDNECK MANIFESTO.

Best Irish Band Ever.

It's not all bad

They are a poor man's Mogwai. Ireland has produced many great bands & will do in the future... unfortunately there's also a lot of terrible acts inbetween. As with any product, if the quality is there, people will buy it.

People will also buy utter rubbish, but that's just my opinion.

starbelgrade

Sorry wrote: »

Go on the Warlords of Pez!

+1. And I'll raise you a Hoovers & Sledgehammers.

orourkeda

starbelgrade wrote: »

They are a poor man's Mogwai. Ireland has produced many great bands & will do in the future... unfortunately there's also a lot of terrible acts inbetween. As with any product, if the quality is there, people will buy it.

People will also buy utter rubbish, but that's just my opinion.

They're not that bad.

Havermeyer

If they were any use people would support them. I'm fairly sure that people don't just disregard Irish bands because they are Irish

Irish bands do appear to have a small following, but that's largely due to the fact they support each other, and are also supported by friends and family. The reason it rarely goes beyond this type of following is that they just don't cut it.

Simple as.

starbelgrade

orourkeda wrote: »

They're not that bad.

I wasn't saying that THEY were terrible, but that there are a lot of terrible Irish bands.

Though, they still are a poor man's Mogwai. If Mogwai hadn't come into existence, Red Neck would've simply copied some other band / genre.

Again, it's just my opinion.

DigiGal

You should have gone to HWCH this weekend OP

orourkeda

starbelgrade wrote: »

I wasn't saying that THEY were terrible, but that there are a lot of terrible Irish bands.

Though, they still are a poor man's Mogwai. If Mogwai hadn't come into existence, Red Neck would've simply copied some other band / genre.

Again, it's just my opinion.

Every band must copy someone at this stage. Surely there cant be many genres that havent been invented yet

ScumLord

I don't thin Irish bands are as concerned with being mega famous as other countries they don't rate their worth as being popular like in other countries many have a loyal following and rely mostly on gigging.

MarkN wrote: »

First of all, Irish bands don't have a 'right' to airplay. If you've got the appeal that a station programmer is looking for that he/she feels will sound ok on their business then you'll get played. Secondly, a lot of it is loud, heavy, shyte that isn't suitable for a lot of stations - particularly hit music stations. Why does someone that tunes into the likes of the stations mentioned already in this thread want to hear a new Irish band they've never heard of? The answer is they don't.

I am the head of music in a large Irish station and only yesterday met the Shoos after playing them for a couple of months, they couldn't have been more grateful for the support - just one example. What's more if you hate the Coronas, there's 100 other people that love them, if they were getting no airplay and deemed "cool" then you would probably like them, being a victim of your own success happens a lot in this country as once you do actually make it you're a 'sell-out' of some sort.

I hear Phantom constantly doing their bit for Irish music, I hear uncovered unplugged gigs on many radio stations, but these Irish bands don't keep the stations afloat - the new single from Lady Gaga or Kings of Leon does.

Maybe a lot of people don't understand the job of a radio station - to appeal to the biggest amount of audience you can to make the most amount of money you can. That's it, in a sentence.

Your typical fan of Irish music that doesn't stretch as far as the success of the Coronas or The Blizzards probably doesn't even have the likes of 104, 98, Spin preset on their radio so why would stations even bother to try draw them when they know they won't be able to survive by playing the songs less people demand and dropping the ones they do want to hear in return?

Just giving you the look of the world from inside.

Irish radio plays syhte to appeal to young teeny boppers. Irish radio is only worth listening to for talk radio but my god the music has been steadily going down hill lately. I just can't listen to the radio past 12 o'clock any more because it's just mindless tripe trying to emulate the popular radio in the UK. UK radio is some of the most boring, middle of the road crap I've ever heard in my life.

It's a sorry state of affairs when radio employees think their bland, middle of the road conformity is a badge of honer, you've basically said Irish radio is completely corporate with no interest in good music, just products that can be feed to gullible teenage girls that have carte blanche on daddies wallet.

starbelgrade

orourkeda wrote: »

Every band must copy someone at this stage. Surely there cant be many genres that havent been invented yet

That's very true - every band copies someone else, but it's how you exploit the genre or the band you are copying & what you add to it that is new that counts.

My Bloody Valentine knocked around for years, playing twee indie music until they discovered Sonic Youth... they "exploded" onto the scene with "You Made Me Realise", which nicked completely the riff from Sonic Youth's "Silver Rocket", but that was irrelevant, because to the mix they added not only melody, but a sexy female hushed vocal, them buried it all in the mix. Hey presto - music legends.

Red Neck never did that & are just a shadow band because of it.

DigiGal

I'm quite fond of

Sixteen Layers
The Angel Pier
Dirty 9s
and this deadly band I recently discovered at this night called Revolver...
House of Cosy cushions....they should be huge, they are brilliant but ahven't been recognised and get little or no airplay.
Phantom continuously play the same ****e.....Fight Like Apes etc..
Ah remember the days when it was a pirate station and they supported homegrown music.

starbelgrade

Star Belgrade kick ass. (sound of tumbleweed blowing !)

DigiGal

starbelgrade wrote: »

Star Belgrade kick ass. (sound of tumbleweed blowing !)

I'll check yis out lol

ElaElaElano

Tin hat at the ready here, but the bands here who 'make it' are shíte. U2, Bell-X1, Aslan, Ash, I think they're all rubbish.

The decent ones like the redneck manifesto never really push on- although maybe by their own wish.

The Pontiac

Col MCFC wrote: »

Tin hat at the ready here, but the bands here who 'make it' are shíte. U2, Bell-X1, Aslan, Ash, I think they're all rubbish.

The decent ones like the redneck manifesto never really push on- although maybe by their own wish.

U2 ****e? Hardly.. Even if you're not a fan you can surely recognise the fact that they're pretty huge globally. I like a lot of their stuff actually.. It's all a matter of opinion at the end of the day. But your opinion is wrong, sorry..

ElaElaElano

<Ollie> wrote: »

U2 ****e? Hardly.. Even if you're not a fan you can surely recognise the fact that they're pretty huge globally. I like a lot of their stuff actually.. It's all a matter of opinion at the end of the day. But your opinion is wrong, sorry..

They're huge globally.

And shíte musically.

Dudess

An opinion can't be wrong though - it's subjective. And massive success does not equal good. I like a lot of U2 stuff up to Zooropa in 1993 (most of it since, I find bland beyond belief, bar the occasional track) but if a person thinks U2 are crap, that's merely their personal view.

The Pontiac

Col MCFC wrote: »

They're huge globally.

And shíte musically.

No they're not.

ElaElaElano

<Ollie> wrote: »

No they're not.

As exhilarating as this conversation is, I said in my initial post that I think they're rubbish. So let's leave it there, we're never going to agree on it.

The Pontiac

Dudess wrote: »

An opinion can't be wrong though - it's subjective. And massive success does not equal good. I like a lot of U2 stuff up to Zooropa in 1993 (most of it since, I find bland beyond belief, bar the occasional track) but if a person thinks U2 are crap, that's merely their personal view.

Yes that's his personal opinion all right. My 'personal opinion is that his 'personal opinion' is wrong, but that's just my personal opinion. I believe U2 are many things, but 'crap' isn't one of them. But that's just my personal view..It's all subjective. You're right. Mass success does not equal good? In most cases it does, but it 'some' cases it doesn't eg. boyzone, westlife etc. Most times it does though eg. U2, Stones, Beatles, Dylan... Anyway, I said it in a lighthearted way to begin with.

Dudess

And you made the leap from lighthearted to defensive pretty sharpish... :pac:

It was nothing personal - no need for the narkiness.

blogga

phantom_lord wrote: »

marcus?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAtTh_ExjOg

:eek:

Prof.Badass

Dudess wrote: »

An opinion can't be wrong though - it's subjective. And massive success does not equal good. I like a lot of U2 stuff up to Zooropa in 1993 (most of it since, I find bland beyond belief, bar the occasional track) but if a person thinks U2 are crap, that's merely their personal view.

Ah c'mon. Sometimes an opinion can be so far off the mark that unless they can explain their reasoning behind it, you just gotta think of it as wrong.

I don't like U2 but i can't deny that they have written a handful of decent songs over their long career. Anyone who says "U2 are crap" is clearly talking shíte. Simple as.

Let me give a more extreme example; Stay Another Day by East 17.

It makes me cringe. As a heterosexual male i just cannot derive any enjoyment from it. Especially with it's disney-esque cheesyness and lyrics blatantly written for commercial appeal.

Now, while i would instantly change station if this song came on the radio, I don't see how anyone could deny the exceptional songwriting talent involved in creating it. How the harmonies fit together, the structure of the song, the melody, even the cheesy instrumentation. It's fundamentally a good song, but I don't like it's sound and would therefore never listen to it myself. See what I'm getting at?

The same logic applies to local Irish bands. While you may really like the sound of a local irish band, which is great. It's very unlikely any of them possess the songwriting talent to write a song of the same calibre.

irishvamp90

You need to be in with the dublin media.Look at their name...a trendy beer,the san diego song with the j1 ers plus they get all the write ups etc