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Sunderland V Liverpool 17/10/09 Match Thread

NabyLadistheman

Torres & Gerrard - Both out for tomorrow. Off the LFC website.

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joe123

mayordenis wrote: »

Reina
Johnson
Carra
Skrtel
Aurelio
Masch
Lucas
Reira
Kuyt
Benayoun
Babel

not a bad 11 when you consider 2 of the top 10 players in the world are out injured.

The bench is going to be painful to look at tomorrow. Ngog and Voronin dont strike me with confidence. If Babel actually plays well its anyones guess.

For a team supposedly challenging for the title compare our squad to Arsenal,Man City,Chelsea and United we come in last.

joe123

Cant see us beating sunderland tomorrow with Gerrard and Torres out.

Probably have lucas and masch in mid with Riera Benny and Babel and Kuyt up front as the lone striker.

Ughhh we have such a poor squad.

The Rooster

Be some craic if he decides both Lucas and Mascho are too tired after their long flights!

I'd like to see Kuyt and Benny as a 2 pronged strike-force, with Babel raiding down the right.

mayordenis

Fink Goddie wrote: »

Does Gerrard describe himself as a striker??
We're 2 down in midfield.
Carragher knew the criticism of the defence was right, he admitted it, you should do the same.

You dont have to be happy with everything on the team to be a supporter!

Depends on where he's playing as i said in my earlier post

It doesn't matter what he describes himself as, He's been playing upfront for 2 years, in our team he's a forward.
Why do you keep saying 2 in midfield? Mascherano is available tomorrow. Who's number 2?
I'm happy to criticise the defence it's been way below par, read what I said again, I said Carragher should stfu and get on with his job.

You definately do not have to be happy with everything to be a supporter.
But you do have to support to be a supporter. The hint is in the name.

Mr Alan

so Dirk has to be out on the wing to be creative?

Fink Goddie

mayordenis wrote: »

Babels but in 6 or 7 good sup appearances, and ye we should put our faith in Babel up front in his favoured position, maybe support him a little, you know like Supporters do.

No we're not, we're 2 down up front.

Carragher himself should do his talking on the pitch.

Does Gerrard describe himself as a striker??
We're 2 down in midfield.
Carragher knew the criticism of the defence was right, he admitted it, you should do the same.

You dont have to be happy with everything on the team to be a supporter!

Mr Alan wrote: »

you said lets hope Yossi has a stormer totally ignoring the fact that Kuyt consistantly bangs in the goals & assists, you were implying Yossi was our only creative outlet for tomorrow.

Depends on where he's playing as i said in my earlier post

Mr Alan

Fink Goddie wrote: »

We're talking about the here and now, who we have on the squad now, why talk about who i would have bought.

Why is that always your excuse when someone says the squad isnt strong enough, you say we didnt have the money blah blah blah as some kind of defence for it, instead of agreeing yeh we dont have strenght in depth!

when you piss & moan about the squad, its your round about way of taking a pop at Rafa. you know it, and i know it.

i bring up the resources available, because with what he has available to him, our squad is very good (as was proven by last seasons title challenge) & the reason our squad isn't as strong as it could be is because of the resources available.

we have lost one huge player from last years team, but gained another huge player for this years campaign, in fact more of a huge player when it comes to attacking threat.

we are without Torres & we have free scoring Kuyt as back up.

that'll do.

mayordenis

Reina
Johnson
Carra
Skrtel
Aurelio
Masch
Lucas
Reira
Kuyt
Benayoun
Babel

not a bad 11 when you consider 2 of the top 10 players in the world are out injured.

Mr Alan

you said lets hope Yossi has a stormer totally ignoring the fact that Kuyt consistantly bangs in the goals & assists, you were implying Yossi was our only creative outlet for tomorrow.

mayordenis

Fink Goddie wrote: »

Yes second place!!!
Dont forget how influential Alonso was in those 86 points.

You can see Kuyt on the score sheet again, christ mystic meg is on the Liverpool thread!!! Hey Meg!

OOoooh we're so sorry your majesty, hey everyone! no more predictions.

Fink Goddie wrote: »

Riera is due???? is he pregnant??

Nope he's fit, raring to go, fairly rested and coming into game where he might just walk all over there defence, but yea pregnant I get it, funny.

Fink Goddie wrote: »

Babels glimpses, wow lets put all our hope in glimpses!

Babels but in 6 or 7 good sup appearances, and ye we should put our faith in Babel up front in his favoured position, maybe support him a little, you know like Supporters do.

Fink Goddie wrote: »

I agree Johnson is a great signing!

Hallelujah.

Fink Goddie wrote: »

We're two down in our midfield tomorrow because there's no Gerrard helping out.

No we're not, we're 2 down up front.

Fink Goddie wrote: »

Our defence is so shakey even Carragher himself has said it.

Carragher himself should do his talking on the pitch.

Fink Goddie

Karmafaerie wrote: »

Don't you just hate it when those non amazing squads get 86 points in a season, running the champions to the second last game, and placing our highest points total ever in the premiership?

Who said Masch isn't playing?
And I can easily see Dirk getting on the score sheet.
Again.

Riera is due, and Babel has been showing glimpses of his old form.
Johnson has been a revalation this season.
etc

The midfield isn't a joke.
we're one player down from a midfield that last season we considered the best in the world!
Our defence is so shakey that we've considered how many goals from open play?
3 in the league, two of which were against Chelski at the Bridge.

And we are short in cover for Torres.
Cause he's a one of a kind player!

Yes second place!!!
Dont forget how influential Alonso was in those 86 points.

You can see Kuyt on the score sheet again, christ mystic meg is on the Liverpool thread!!! Hey Meg!

Riera is due???? is he pregnant??

Babels glimpses, wow lets put all our hope in glimpses!

I agree Johnson is a great signing!

We're two down in our midfield tomorrow because there's no Gerrard helping out.

Our defence is so shakey even Carragher himself has said it.

Drogba is a one of a kind player but its nice having last seasons top striker as back up when he's injured.

[Deleted User]

Mr Alan wrote: »

poor aul Dirk.

wtf does he have to do to be recognised as a huge player.

I think all real fans know how important he is to us.

anplaya

Riera is due, and Babel has been showing glimpses of his old form.

dont be making things up now,what form?are you talking about the form he had before he was at liverpool?doesnt count im afraid.

NabyLadistheman

Mr Alan wrote: »

poor aul Dirk.

wtf does he have to do to be recognised as a huge player.

Not in Fink's Bible of Bull

Mr Alan

Fink Goddie wrote: »

Fingers crossed Yossi has a great game.

poor aul Dirk.

wtf does he have to do to be recognised as a huge player.

flahavaj

They're ranked 12th in the world BECAUSE they won the Euros. Where were they ranked before them. Pretty flawed rankings as anyway, as I was told earlier.

SlickRic

Fink Goddie wrote: »

What Cliches am i living off??

1) that our midfield is sh*te.

2) that we're a two-man team.

3) that we have no squad depth.

all of of these ideas are utter rubbish.

and it's been proved again and again.

our squad is not ideal, but it is not in the dire straights you always seem to tell us all it is.

Karmafaerie

Fink Goddie wrote: »

What about Greece winning the Euro 2004 kinda knocks your logic a bit though doesnt it. Burnley beating United kinda does too, so as i said the past means nothing.

You mean the same Greece that are ranked 12th in the world?

Fink Goddie wrote:

I'm realistic, i'd love if we had an amazing squad but we dont!

Don't you just hate it when those non amazing squads get 86 points in a season, running the champions to the second last game, and placing our highest points total ever in the premiership?

Fink Goddie wrote:

Who do you think we can rely on tomorrow to command the game and get goals other than Yossi if Torres, Gerrard and Masch are not playing??

Who said Masch isn't playing?
And I can easily see Dirk getting on the score sheet.
Again.

Riera is due, and Babel has been showing glimpses of his old form.
Johnson has been a revalation this season.
etc

Fink Goddie wrote:

The midfield will be a joke! the defence already looks shakey, there's no adequate cover for Torres

The midfield isn't a joke.
we're one player down from a midfield that last season we considered the best in the world!
Our defence is so shakey that we've considered how many goals from open play?
3 in the league, two of which were against Chelski at the Bridge.

And we are short in cover for Torres.
Cause he's a one of a kind player!

Fink Goddie

SlickRic wrote: »

both examples of upsets, yes.

but you can still guage what is likely to happen by looking at the past. again, not definitive, but you can get an idea.

you're not realistic. you're living off clichés.

let's look at the present (seen as you're someone apparently who doesn't like looking at the past).

if you go by liverpool's last performance, against Chelsea, the midfield was the only thing you could not blame for the defeat, and we'll have the same midfield tomorrow.

yossi, albert and kuyt are all capable of taking the fight to sunderland; as is babel if in the mood.

cover is needed for torres long term, i'd agree with that.

an idea of what might happen, still means nothing on the day!
What Cliches am i living off??

Albert hasnt proved anything this season yet, i wouldnt be putting my hopes on him, babel if in the mood, not very convincing is it.

Fingers crossed Yossi has a great game.

SlickRic

Fink Goddie wrote: »

What about Greece winning the Euro 2004 kinda knocks your logic a bit though doesnt it. Burnley beating United kinda does too, so as i said the past means nothing.

both examples of upsets, yes.

but you can still guage what is likely to happen by looking at the past. again, not definitive, but you can get an idea.

Fink Goddie wrote: »

I'm realistic, i'd love if we had an amazing squad but we dont!
Who do you think we can rely on tomorrow to command the game and get goals other than Yossi if Torres, Gerrard and Masch are not playing??

The midfield will be a joke! the defence already looks shakey, there's no adequate cover for Torres

you're not realistic. you're living off clichés.

let's look at the present (seen as you're someone apparently who doesn't like looking at the past).

if you go by liverpool's last performance, against Chelsea, the midfield was the only thing you could not blame for the defeat, and we'll have the same midfield tomorrow.

yossi, albert and kuyt are all capable of taking the fight to sunderland; as is babel if in the mood.

cover is needed for torres long term, i'd agree with that.

mayordenis

prendy wrote: »

we deffo wont win 8-0 tommorow!!!
i reckon 3-0 with babel and co proving people wrong!

And we're certainly now going to get all 12 points....

Fink Goddie

SlickRic wrote: »

well, yes, it does mean something.

it shows what normally happens between the two teams.

it's in no way definitive, obviously, but it gives an indication.

by your reasoning, in a game against morecambe we don't know what to expect because the past means nothing.

What about Greece winning the Euro 2004 kinda knocks your logic a bit though doesnt it. Burnley beating United kinda does too, so as i said the past means nothing.

torresistheman wrote: »

Get a grip Fink. Using this as an opportunity to prove yourself right. The truth is we'd prob have struggled tomorrow with the 2 boys.

Your so bloody critical of the squad but I don't know how different it could be based on what we've been able to spend. We all know the way you feel but really you add nothing because all you do is criticise

I'm realistic, i'd love if we had an amazing squad but we dont!
Who do you think we can rely on tomorrow to command the game and get goals other than Yossi if Torres, Gerrard and Masch are not playing??

The midfield will be a joke! the defence already looks shakey, there's no adequate cover for Torres

[Deleted User]

IRISHSPORTSGUY wrote: »

Less tired in the run up. He always looked exhausted after an hour too.

Set pieces have improved dramatically.

Fair enough. Hopefully he has an off day tomorrow

SlickRic

rarnes1 wrote: »

We did quite well when Gerrard and Torres were out last year. We have quality all over the pitch and on the bench.

agreed.

it's other people that need convincing.

Karmafaerie

Fink Goddie wrote: »

The past means nothing!!!

Wow.
It's normally Utd fans who say that to Liverpool fans.

Of course the bloody past means something!:rolleyes:
Or does their form mean nothing, cause that's in the past too.

We know how to beat them.
We know how to shut them out.
We know how to score against them.
We know how to score against them and beat them at the Stadium Of Light.
Last year Ngog scored the second.
Last season we beat the 2-0 with no Torres.
The season before we beat them 2-0 with no Gerrard.

If you honestly think that none of that has any bearing on tomorrows match, I don't know what to say.

[Deleted User]

SlickRic wrote: »

i'm worried either way because it's a massive game, away to a team in form. that coupled with our two best players being missing makes me very very worried.

it doesn't mean i'm not confident in our squad, it just means it would be a easier if all our best players were available to us.

We did quite well when Gerrard and Torres were out last year. We have quality all over the pitch and on the bench.

Dublin_Gunner

SlickRic wrote: »

now that i've remembered Babel...:o...i indeed expect him to put in a good performance.

if there was ever a time to step up it's now.

I would be openly willing to change my opinion on the man if he can pull a top performance out of the bag tomorrow.

I fully expect him to start, and I want to see him going for it from the start.

Dublin_Gunner

This would possibly be my favoured starting XI for Liverpool tomorrow, as I posted in the Liverpool thread.

(not including the back 5)

Babel---Masch--Riera

Benny----

N'Gog---Kuyt---

In a more attacking 4-4-2.

It would certainly be a quick and attacking starting line up.

SlickRic

prendy wrote: »

i reckon 3-0 with babel and co proving people wrong!

now that i've remembered Babel...:o...i indeed expect him to put in a good performance.

if there was ever a time to step up it's now.

prendy

Karmafaerie wrote: »

Last 2 seasons.

Sunderland____0-2_____Liverpool
Liverpool______3-0_____Sunderland
Sunderland____0-1_____Liverpool
Liverpool______2-0_____Sunderland

8-0

12/12 Points

I expect the same tomorrow.

we deffo wont win 8-0 tommorow!!!
i reckon 3-0 with babel and co proving people wrong!