FlutterinBantam wrote: » Every time I turn on the radio or read my paper all I seem to hear or read about are fcuking well paid gimps complaining. Now fair enough you might say, but don't start using children or patients welfare to justify your greed. Teachers are whining about the effect of pay cuts on "the children" when in fact it's themselves they are concerned about.If you are that concerned about "the children" take a pay cut. Likewise nurses and doctors and consultants, who the fook do you think you are kidding? It's yourselves you are concerned and your well paid and well pensioned lifestyle,not the focking patients. All the unions want to do is talk, for how focking long? Another five years while the country goes down the plughole?Five years shuffling from one meeting to another going round in circles? Get on with what you are paid to do,and paid fcuking well, and stop trying to fool John Q Taxpayer with that "concern" nonsense. Wake up!
BrianD3 wrote: » So wealthy private sector tossers don't think of themselves? Funny how they always advocate slashing the public service while at the same time saying that taxation should be maintained/reduced rather than raised. And all of that for the "good of the economy for the sake of our children". Translation: let someone else take the pain because I don't want to pay a cent more in tax.
walshb wrote: » I have to agree, the vast majority couldn't give a flying fook about the patients or children, it's the money in their pockets that isn driving their anger. I am not saying they don't care for their patients and want to help them etc, but when the issue of money arises, it's self interest and they then use the patient of child as a bargaining tool; it doesn't fool me
Hail 2 Da Chimp wrote: » So you expect them to work for free. I mean if you were working in A&E and had to care for some scumbag who's OD'd on heroin again, píssed / crapped themselves, how much of an interest are you going to take in that patient. Then you're told, through no fault of your own, you have to take a massive paycut... Would patient care be your first concern?OK maybe you wouldn't just walk out of your job there and then but it would make you regret going into work every day... Nurses, Firemen, etc.. get a lot of stick for being greedy and only concerned with themselves but the fact is the whole public sector is top heavy and the people on the bottom are getting shafted as usual.
paperclip2 wrote: » My name is Paperclip2 and I'm a public service worker. Now the confession is out of the way I'll give you a run down on my typical work. I work in a frontline service that directs people into further and higher education and training. There are three distinct jobs outlined for these kinds of services but we have only ever been in a position to fill two of them. We work on a one-to-one and group basis with adult and further education students as well as provide tailored information packs to the general public. And for the record its not FAS . Since March, thanks to the moratorium, I alone have been covering every aspect of the work of the service. All guidance, all information provision, all research and all admin. The demand for our service has increased stratospherically given the current climate. Govt guidelines would say that I should be seeing no more than 15-18 one to-one clients per week. Yesterday alone I saw 9, had two case conferences and worked with one group of 28 people. FAS and the DFSA account for 40% of the referrals to our service. I provide outreach services to two further education centres, two jobsclubs and all community and adult education projects run by the local VEC and partnership company, as well as having a remit to provide tailored educational information to the adult population of the county who are aged 18 and not currently in full-time education. On a some weeks total beneficiaries of our service can number over 70 people. The follow-up is a bit of a bitch some times. Now heres the kicker. Our budget has the money in it to hire someone to help out. To do some of the admin etc, but that cant happen because of the moratorium. So in november, I will be having to spend tax-payers money on utterly non-essential rubbish just to ensure that we retain our exisiting budget for the coming year. How does that make sense? This is just one of the examples of the stupidity endemic in the current management of this country. Hey but at least for now I have a job. :rolleyes: But thats dependent on the money not running out for this project. I'm not nicely permanent and pensionable, nor am I alone in this. There are plenty of Public Service workers also living under the threat of job loss because of the times we are in.To be honest I could live with a pay cut if I could trust that money it saved would be used effectively but I'm pretty damn sure that right now it wont. My husband works in the private sector. Recently his pay was cut by 25% with no negotiation. His bosses justified this by saying they had taken a reduction too; they were down by 16% in their bonuses, poor things. :rolleyes: Financial inequity it seems is not just rife in the public sector.
Long Onion wrote: » I think it's bang out of order to openly admit to spending tax payers money on useless rubbish just to keep a budget. If all depts stopped this crap, the budgets could be better allocated next time around. I am sure that you personally are hard working (when not on Boards;)) but your managers are obviously incapable. By persuing this plan you just help paint yourself in a bad light when the stories come out about such a group spent €100k of taxpayers cash on luminous paperclips etc. etc. If you can't spend it, give it back.
paperclip2 wrote: » My name is Paperclip2 and I'm a public service worker.
Wossack wrote: » had ta stop right there - public sector and on boards at 11:30? :pac:
Kipperhell wrote: » After working in the public sector for a while all I can say is some are over paid wasters and some are underpaid hard workers. The majority have a large chip on their shoulders when it comes to work. A private company could not function with the waste PS have. Considering the SIPTU offices use contract cleaners they are hypocrites. I worked on part of a software system where the software was made have less functionality in order to keep a position open rather than just improve the process. Saw this once in the private sector but they were only doing so for a year and had it so it was configurable once the person in question retired. My wife works for a state agency so if there are cuts I am likely to feel the effects. My wife works very hard and has a stressful job so she doesn't think she should get a cut and while I support her there needs to be reform.
Warfi wrote: » I'd say the reason paperclip2 (or any other public workers) wouldn't give the money back would be because of the possibility of losing his/her job as a result. I know I wouldn't. Would you give the money back if you knew that down the line it would lead you to losing your job?
Long Onion wrote: » Yes of course, the only way to ensure you keep your job in the public sector is to spend taxpayers money on useless unnecessary crap. Hell if you do it well enough they'll even let you retire early with an enhanced pension, boosted ex-gratia and a car.
Warfi wrote: » Every time I turn on the radio or read my paper all I seem to hear or read about are, to quote, 'fcuking gimps' complaining about people who are getting paid for doing their jobs. Change the record
paperclip2 wrote: » I can spend it if I was given the freedom to spend it on what we actually need i.e. staff resources which would result in an increase in productivity.
paperclip2 wrote: » If this money is unspent then the budget is reduced by that amount the following year and we will not be able to provide the requisite level of service.
paperclip2 wrote: » If I do not spend it I will be held accountable by my line managers, there will be no kudos for having handed it back. Just vilification for not utilising it creatively. What would you do?
paperclip2 wrote: » And? So far today I have submitted three reports, updated a month and a half of client data and responded to four client queries, two email and two on the phone. I have arranged a further three one-to-one appointments and secured personal counselling services for another two people. I feel no guilt at being on Boards at any time because I am just that fooking good at what I do.
Warfi wrote: » Most workers, private or public, are very good at what they do. They also have bills to pay. I don't think they're trying to hatch a grand plan to cheat taxpayers of money. So, literally down to the brass tacks, would you give money back if you knew it would lead yout to losing your job somewhere down the line?
orourkeda wrote: » What record do you play?
paperclip2 wrote: » My name is Paperclip2 and I'm a public service worker. Govt guidelines would say that I should be seeing no more than 15-18 one to-one clients per week. Yesterday alone I saw 9, .................. .....................So in november, I will be having to spend tax-payers money on utterly non-essential rubbish just to ensure that we retain our exisiting budget for the coming year.
Long Onion wrote: » Generalisation in the extreme - many of my colleagues are not particularly gifted at what they do, nor are they motivated to better themselves, many will admit this. As to your point about the job loss, I never said that it was a scheme to waste taxpayers money, it's jus irresponsible strategy borne from being self serving. If all depts returned unused funding, they would get the correct amount the following year, the underfunded depts would get an increase and there may not have been a levy imposed. If you are reduced to squandering it on crap, you didn't need it in the first place. Spending it just to get more next year is plain greed.
Warfi wrote: » I think the people I work with are fantastic....maybe you should change your job, or your outlook. You still haven't answered what you would do if your job was on the line. Are you expecting public sector workers to be martyrs?
Long Onion wrote: » You line managers are immoral and bad at their jobs, doing the right thing should not be motivated by kudos. I would give it back, hope that my peers would do the same and thank myself for avoiding an increased levy/salary cut
