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PCPhoto

When will people admit they are bad drivers ..... always blaming the roads...heaven forbid that IF we ever upgrade all the roads who will get the blame for these types of crashes.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/lucky-escape-for-brothers-at-play-1894933.html

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cournioni

The state of the roads are giving people the excuse to blame them. Most regional roads in this country are a disgrace.

AnonoBoy

A sign that says 'Danger!" should sort out the problem.

Quazzie

PCPhoto wrote: »

When will people admit they are bad drivers ..... always blaming the roads...heaven forbid that IF we ever upgrade all the roads who will get the blame for these types of crashes.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/lucky-escape-for-brothers-at-play-1894933.html

Originally Posted by independent.ie
She also revealed how it's the third crash on the same stretch of road in the past 12 months.

I guess she was just unlucky enough to have three bad drivers on the same stretch of road

Fuhrer

The Fuhrer dissaproves of drivers before road quality.

WIZE

The Roads are fine .

Its just bad driving

El Guapo!

The majority of roads in this country are an absolute disgrace. They are riddled with pot-holes and are causing damage to the cars that use them. If anyone here has ever driven down Blackhorse avenue in dublin they'll know what im talking about. And when the council tries to fix the roads they do a half-arsed job and the roads end up looking like a patchwork quilt, and end up back the same again. In most other countries when they fix roads they do it properly but over here we seem to like doing and re-doing roads to a poor standard.

/RANT

Smart Bug

PCPhoto wrote: »

When will people admit they are bad drivers ..... always blaming the roads...heaven forbid that IF we ever upgrade all the roads who will get the blame for these types of crashes.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/lucky-escape-for-brothers-at-play-1894933.html

Get in your car (presuming you can drive (if not I don't really think you can comment on accidents/bad roads)) and head down to, um, random county? Kilkenny. Possibly the worst roads in the country.

Seriously, if you can't figure out the correlation between our fukkin awful roads and road deaths there's something wrong with you. Look at the article you quoted ffs, 3 crashes on a narrow road with her garden alongside it? C'mon man, apply a little intelligence here.

Fuhrer

Smart Bug wrote: »

head down to, um, random county? Kilkenny. Possibly the worst roads in the country.

Thats amazing, you picking a random country and it just happens to have the worst roads in the country.

I was going to argue with you on this but you've obviously done your research.

Smart Bug

Fuhrer wrote: »

Thats amazing, you picking a random country and it just happens to have the worst roads in the country.

I was going to argue with you on this but you've obviously done your research.

Oh, you're a smart on ain't ye? :rolleyes:

In fact, I said possibly. But it doesn't really matter what county you pick outside of the pale, all their primary/secondary roads are a fukkin mess. So unless you mandate that people drive around at about 20kmph you're going to have accidents on these roads. One slip, one lapse of concentration and you're over the fukkin ditch.

Fuhrer

Smart Bug wrote: »

Oh, you're a smart on ain't ye? :rolleyes:

In fact, I said possibly. But it doesn't really matter what county you pick outside of the pale, all their primary/secondary roads are a fukkin mess. So unless you mandate that people drive around at about 20kmph you're going to have accidents on these roads. One slip, one lapse of concentration and you're over the fukkin ditch.

One slip or lapse of concentration on the best motorway funded and maintaned motorway can result in instant death and a massive accident. What point are you making? Other than driving being inherently dangerous and requires at least a sufficent level of competence and concentration to do?

gurramok

Dean09 wrote: »

The majority of roads in this country are an absolute disgrace. They are riddled with pot-holes and are causing damage to the cars that use them. If anyone here has ever driven down Blackhorse avenue in dublin they'll know what im talking about. And when the council tries to fix the roads they do a half-arsed job and the roads end up looking like a patchwork quilt, and end up back the same again. In most other countries when they fix roads they do it properly but over here we seem to like doing and re-doing roads to a poor standard.

/RANT

Phone the DCC pothole repair people on 01 837 1595. I've rang up over potholes before and they do fix most of them no matter how many times they do a shabby job of them!

Smart Bug

Fuhrer wrote: »

One slip or lapse of concentration on the best motorway funded and maintaned motorway can result in instant death and a massive accident. What point are you making? Other than driving being inherently dangerous and requires at least a sufficent level of competence and concentration to do?

You know exactly the point I'm making, stop trying to obfuscate my posts. Bad roads contribute to accidents. Look up the stats (first link):

http://www.tribune.ie/news/home-news/article/2009/jul/19/longford-is-the-most-dangerous-for-road-fatalities/

Do you seriously think it's coincedental that the counties with the worst stats also have the highest proportion of rural settlements linked by poorly maintained primary and secondary roads?

Fuhrer

Smart Bug wrote: »

You know exactly the point I'm making, stop trying to obfuscate my posts. Bad roads contribute to accidents. Look up the stats (first link):

http://www.tribune.ie/news/home-news/article/2009/jul/19/longford-is-the-most-dangerous-for-road-fatalities/

Do you seriously think it's coincedental that the counties with the worst stats also have the highest proportion of rural settlements linked by poorly maintained primary and secondary roads?

"There are two major factors; the low speed limits you have in urban areas and the amount of people using public transport."

Well, thanks for posting an article that disproves your own point. If only all arguments were this easy.

EastWallGirl

I look at it this way.

I want to live and I would hate to cause serious injury to anyone else.

So as revolutionary as it seems, I drive to suit the conditions (including road conditions not just weather) and do not belive that the posted speed limit is the goal and I would and not always the best suggestion.

And if you think the roads are bad now,do you think the governemnt is going to magic up the money in the next few years?

Yes roads should be to an adequate standard,but it is not like you are dealing with a bunch of people (government) that want to make your life better in any way,so your best to look after yourself.

cournioni

EastWallGirl wrote: »

I look at it this way.

I want to live and I would hate to cause serious injury to anyone else.

So as revolutionary as it seems, I drive to suit the conditions (including road conditions not just weather) and do not belive that the posted speed limit is the goal and I would and not always the best suggestion.

And if you think the roads are bad now,do you think the governemnt is going to magic up the money in the next few years?

Yes roads should be to an adequate standard,but it is not like you are dealing with a bunch of people (government) that want to make your life better in any way,so your best to look after yourself.

I drive to suit the conditions too, but it doesn't help when you're driving along to suit the conditions and then out of nowhere you hit a crater the size of the feckin road.

Its all well and good driving in the City East Wall Girl, you believe it or not have the best roads in the country where you are. You should see the state of some of the roads close to where I am, especially in Monaghan and Meath at the moment. You could be driving along at 80 kmph or 100kmph and then hit a huge pot hole out of nowhere which might cause a blow out and cause a major accident.

Maybe we should all drive at 20kmph or maybe we should all just walk eh?! Imagine driving from Dundalk to Sligo at that speed. You might have to stay in a hotel in Cavan town over night. Very acceptable indeed... :rolleyes:

Smart Bug

Fuhrer wrote: »

Well, thanks for posting an article that disproves your own point. If only all arguments were this easy.

So what is your opinion? Road conditions have no correlation to accident rates?

The Big Red Button

In my opinion, the bad roads in some parts of this country are not as big a factor in the cause of accidents as driver error is.

However, the condition of the roads is the cause of some crashes, and an exacerbating factor in others. Also, it costs drivers a lot as a result of damage and excessive wear-and-tear from driving on sub-standard surfaces.

So,while I hate it when drivers use this excuse as a cop out when they were clearly at fault, the problem of poorly-maintained roads in Ireland still needs to be addressed.

leeroybrown

I think that it's a combination of driving standards and road conditions. Based on the time I spend driving I've come to the conclusion that the average driver on Irish roads is reasonably safe in good road conditions but that once road conditions dis-improve (hazards, weather, road conditions, etc) the standard degenerates rapidly and bad things start happening.

The only thing that will greatly reduce the accident rate is better driver training but that still doesn't mean it's reasonable to leave blind crests and hollows in roads that otherwise lead drivers to believe that they are of a reasonable standard.

KamiKazi

I suggest the OP tries riding a motorcycle on Irish roads before commenting on the state of them, they are an absolute disgrace. On any given day I come across huge potholes, oil / diesel spills, patches of gravel on corners and roundabouts, smooth manhole covers on corners that are as slippy as ice when it rains, muck and sh1te left on the roads by farmers and loose chippings left by the council on resurfaced roads :mad:

Fuhrer

Smart Bug wrote: »

So what is your opinion? Road conditions have no correlation to accident rates?

Why would I get involved personally when I can remain smugly aloof?

Quint

The driver is at fault in most crashes. But I find it amazing that a car has to pass so many little test to pass an NCT, but the county council are allowed to put loose chippings on a 2 mile stretch of bendy road.

Smart Bug

Fuhrer wrote: »

Why would I get involved personally when I can remain smugly aloof?

You dirty smoof.

Fuhrer

Quint wrote: »

but the county council are allowed to put loose chippings on a 2 mile stretch of bendy road.

Or that a contractor is allowed to tear up a portion of the road and replace it with weaker tarmac

ejmaztec

Fuhrer wrote: »

Or that a contractor is allowed to tear up a portion of the road and replace it with weaker tarmac

Or that other marvel of road repairing, where some gimp from the local council shovels tarmac into a pothole, then watches his pal in the truck drive backwards and forwards over it to flatten it. They then continue their journey to the next hole.

Meanwhile, there's been a sudden shower, and the tarmac in the first hole gets washed away.

They should have a face-palm road-sign.:eek:

WIZE

You know I seen this about a month ago were I live .

There was one guy filling in a pothole while 5 others stood around him .
one guy in the truck eating a sandwich .

Then the guy in the truck started the engine and rolled over the pothole .
The other guy topped up the pothole and the truck driver rolled over it again.

All I could think is that was a really irish thing to do:D

Professey Chin

BVB wrote: »

You know I seen this about a month ago were I live .

There was one guy filling in a pothole while 5 others stood around him .
one guy in the truck eating a sandwich .

Then the guy in the truck started the engine and rolled over the pothole .
The other guy topped up the pothole and the truck driver rolled over it again.

All I could think is that was a really irish thing to do:D

Stupid country

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

BVB wrote: »

You know I seen this about a month ago were I live .

There was one guy filling in a pothole while 5 others stood around him .
one guy in the truck eating a sandwich .

Then the guy in the truck started the engine and rolled over the pothole .
The other guy topped up the pothole and the truck driver rolled over it again.

All I could think is that was a really irish thing to do:D

How would you have done it then? I suppose you would have hired a whacker or motored steam roler to compact the stuff in the hole??? :rolleyes:

Fuhrer you are wrong, simple as.

WIZE

Conrad Most Rocket wrote: »

How would you have done it then? I suppose you would have hired a whacker or motored steam roler to compact the stuff in the hole??? :rolleyes:

Fuhrer you are wrong, simple as.

I would have filled in the pothole with tarmac while my mates watched and got tommy the truck driver to roll over it a few time . The more he eats for lunch the more compact the tarmac will be . But hey I am irish;)

Novella

Smart Bug wrote: »

Get in your car (presuming you can drive (if not I don't really think you can comment on accidents/bad roads)) and head down to, um, random county? Kilkenny. Possibly the worst roads in the country.

Agreed. Do a quick spin from Dublin to Kilkenny tonight! Have a good ole look at the M7 and the M9 and the state of them at the moment. Then, once you make it through Athy, there are some fcuking terrible bends in the road, before you make it to Castlecomer. Try a few back roads around there. I'm surprised I'm still alive!!! :P

JimmyCrackCorn!

We all drive like tits ignoring large parts of the rule book and laws of common sense
The roads are at best poor though with bypasses this is improving.
Speed-limits are mostly only enforced on motorways and bypasses and entrances to villages.
Speed is an easy target so rather than educate drivers we use speed traps

Ogh and its always someone else's fault, young drivers, drink drivers, speeders, priests, hookers and nuns.