adrieanne__x wrote: » But the LUAS just doesn't automatically stop and go of it's own will. The driver has to start and stop it... So if the LUAS did see a bus stopped in the middle of the junction why didn't he break?
I don't know what rules apply in case of Luas but I'd expect that they'd have to obey ROTR as road users.
IrishSpeedTraps wrote: » How can you be so sure there was not a problem with the Luas? Break failure?
BrianD wrote: » I don't think Veolia said anything and the general public are entitled to say what they saw (or thought they saw) through any means they choose. Dublin Bus have themselves pre-empted the investigation so they must be pretty sure of the ground they stand on.
a_ominous wrote: » A green light does not give someone right of way or actually mean 'go'. The driver has to always exercise caution and proceed only if the way is clear. This is to cater for situations where you have signal failures or unusual circumstances.Rules of the road I don't know what rules apply in case of Luas but I'd expect that they'd have to obey ROTR as road users.
shltter wrote: » Of course people are entitled to say what they saw but they are not entitled to just make stuff up.
The chairman of CIE has said he has viewed the video from the bus and the bus driver was on a full green light. So you can be 100% sure that is the case what we don't know is what signal the luas driver had or indeed if there was any fault with the tram.
Speculation that the luas driver is at fault is not helpful the facts will come out eventually.
BrianD wrote: » People are entitled to say what they believe to have seen. There is nothing wrong with this. What they believe to have seen may be conistent or inconsistent with the physical facts. I don't think anybody is making anything up. And I believe him because he'd have to resign if he got it wrong given that he is very publicly pre-empting any investigation both by his own company and the other parties involved. Interesting that he has seen the video from the bus as I thought this was carted off to a Garda station as evidence. If the video was removed from the bus by DB staff then there are serious questions to be asked here. If the bus had run a red light I doubt we would be hearing about it 'till the official report. Though media reports seem to suggest it was local CCTV coverage which might also include other busses on O'connell St. It's an open forum about a major public event, people are entitled to reasonably speculate on what may have happened.
micawber wrote: » From past experience on the Luas drivers are usually fairly cautious at that junction due to pedestrians walking out in front of them. Yo will often hear the warning bell at Eason's.
Alan Rouge wrote: » I can't understand why this investigation will take longer than a week....
r3nu4l wrote: » Wut? Wow! :eek: So I imagine the unions will now be demanding seat belts...although I'm puzzled as to why they didn't previously?
monument wrote: » Rightly or wrongly, at that junction, I've seen far more aggression towards pedestrians than I've seen caution. Caution, when driving a tram, bus, or car is not limited to ring a bell or blowing a horn. Real caution means slowing down. That's real safety first. You will often hear many motorist blowing their horns in the city -- at each other or at pedestrians -- that alone is not a clear sign of caution. Because people at the centre of it are in shock and/or otherwise hurt? Because it better to get take time and get things correct?
micawber wrote: » From what I saw the bus had stopped momentarily a short distance into the junction but a few yards from the luas track. As the Luas crossed into the junction the bus then went forward again. There had been a lot of sirens and garda cars flying down the street moments before. From past experience on the Luas drivers are usually fairly cautious at that junction due to pedestrians walking out in front of them. Yo will often hear the warning bell at Eason's. In any event the cctv should show clearly the sequence of events. Having seen the impact I am amazed and relieved that casualties are as low as they have turned out to be.
monument wrote: » Rightly or wrongly, at that junction, I've seen far more aggression towards pedestrians than I've seen caution. Caution, when driving a tram, bus, or car is not limited to ring a bell or blowing a horn. Real caution means slowing down. That's real safety first. You will often hear many motorist blowing their horns in the city -- at each other or at pedestrians -- that alone is not a clear sign of caution.
rednik wrote: » Actually we are members of a union. SIPTU.
Dr. John Lynch wrote: Now what can a driver do if he has a green light except go through it?
shltter wrote: » Brian people have clearly been making stuff up a look at this site and others today and yesterday were lies were stated as fact. I should have been clearer speculation in itself is not a problem it is when speculation is stated as fact that it is a problem.
On the video it is not actually a video it is recorded onto a hard drive so the gardai would need DB to download the data for them. Also it is possible that the video John lynch viewed was from a bus behind the incident rather than the bus involved.
micawber wrote: » Actually my experience is that they do slow down. It is also my experience that as the Luas slows more pedestrians are tempted to dart across in front of it . The bell is more of an admonition than a warning.
Alan Rouge wrote: » When there's a crime being investigated, do police not interview people as soon as possible in case any information or facts are lost or forgotten ? They might be shaken and injured but surely you could ask them a few questions ?
mcguiver wrote: » Bummer "I heard the garda done the Tram driver for no Tax and Insurance!!!! " Thats very well thought out joke there, dozens injured. Why dont you go down to the intensive care unit and see what a laugh you get!! And dont even get me started on the MORONS taking pictures while people were screaming in pain ... real heros there folks. My thoughts are with the passengers and their families, and all the emergency services that worked hard ysterday. On a realistic note.... 01 6668000 Store Street Garda Station if you did witness collission, there is a media appeal for all witness tocome forward.
Cathaoirleach wrote: » CIE Chairman Dr. John Lynch said CCTV footage clearly showed the bus driver had a green light. Proceed with absolute caution. :rolleyes:
BrianD wrote: » I don't see the evidence of this. People seem to stating what they saw or heard or think they heard. None of the stories stated are outlandish. The big issue is the exact timing and sequence of events. A person looks and the light is red, they look away it goes green and the incident occurs. The witness thinks it's still red etc. etc. I don't think anybody would take anything posted on a forum as a statement of fact. What is it recorded onto? Surely this camera recorder setup is fairly standard?
parsi wrote: » What a crass comment.
