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Stop NAMA by voting No to Lisbon

Hobo Sapiens

The only practical way to stop Grand Theft NAMA is to force a general election after which a new coalition will adopt some hybrid of the FG/Labour proposals. Whatever the hybrid, it can hardly be as bad as NAMA, the FF plan to rob the PAYE taxpayer while bailing out the bankers and developers.

To force a general election, FF must lose the Lisbon vote. I am calling on Don't Knows to put the future well-being of this country before the demands of Eurocrats. The EU can continue as it is without Lisbon. But NAMA would destroy this country for generations.

Stop NAMA - vote No to Lisbon.

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I notice the OP didn't even bother looking at the replies, and just came out with more BS with no grounding in reality.

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meglome

Hobo Sapiens wrote: »

It makes sense to vote No to Lisbon because it's such an obscure document.

It makes even more sense to vote No because it's an obscure document yet one that,when you scan its content, reduces Ireland to being a mere outpost of a new EU state.

If you have any doubts about the actual treaty (and who wouldn't, considering that it is precisely the same treaty that we voted on in 2008), then you might already be inclined to vote No.

When do you think the truth and you parted ways? Was it a more recent thing or something that happened when you were young?

Hobo Sapiens wrote: »

If you believe that NAMA is a bad deal for the ordinary PAYE taxpayer or pensioner, then voting No to Lisbon is probably the only way to stop the government from putting the country into harm's way.

Stop NAMA and Vote No.

He he he he as much as NAMA frightens me the idea that voting No to Lisbon will stop it is just hilarious. I wouldn't mind in a way if you were just another No campaigner lying to try and trick people but it would worry me if you believe it.

Hobo Sapiens

It makes sense to vote No to Lisbon because it's such an obscure document.

It makes even more sense to vote No because it's an obscure document yet one that,when you scan its content, reduces Ireland to being a mere outpost of a new EU state.

If you have any doubts about the actual treaty (and who wouldn't, considering that it is precisely the same treaty that we voted on in 2008), then you might already be inclined to vote No.

If you believe that NAMA is a bad deal for the ordinary PAYE taxpayer or pensioner, then voting No to Lisbon is probably the only way to stop the government from putting the country into harm's way.

Stop NAMA and Vote No.

BlitzKrieg

hobochris wrote: »

it would make going for a pint more interesting

i strangely imagined people sniffing money to work out who's socks they were in before i clicked you were talking about the bartering animals.

bangersandmash

Rb wrote: »

Genuine Q:

Would you rather we didn't have any banks, and kept our money in our socks? Or perhaps bartered livestock for materials?

Genuine Q: Do you believe that NAMA as it stands is the only way to prevent the above?

OP, a No to Lisbon would probably leads to a substantial increase in the cost of borrowing for Ireland - do you see any way out of the current situation that doesn't involve borrowing? And that's before you consider the rest of the economic fallout that would follow a second No.

Furious-Dave

Rb wrote: »

Genuine Q:

Would you rather we didn't have any banks, and kept our money in our socks? Or perhaps bartered livestock for materials?

People can't get loans from socks:rolleyes: The banks must be bailed out because they have to be able and willing to lend money. Small businesses are going under because they can't get loans to stay afloat.
Contractors must be able to get loans from banks so that they can afford to complete construction projects they are working on. I live Leopardstown and can see the unfinished apartment blocks in the old ESSO site. I know for a fact that people have already paid deposits for those apartments and stand to lose a hell of a lot of money if they remain unfinished.

hobochris

Rb wrote: »

Genuine Q:

Would you rather we didn't have any banks, and kept our money in our socks? Or perhaps bartered livestock for materials?

it would make going for a pint more interesting

Genuine Q:

Would you rather we didn't have any banks, and kept our money in our socks? Or perhaps bartered livestock for materials?

ShooterSF

OP your reasoning is insane. NAMA is a load of crap but we have to live with it because we made the wrong choice numerous times when voting in a GE. You won't get a GE if we successfully vote NO because the greens know their number is up and want a ministerial pension.
In short, decide on Lisbon based on Lisbon and when a GE comes round then boot FF and the Greens as far as you can. If you must vent do so with FF canvassers going around ATM.

hobochris

Hobo Sapiens wrote: »

The only practical way to stop Grand Theft NAMA is to force a general election after which a new coalition will adopt some hybrid of the FG/Labour proposals. Whatever the hybrid, it can hardly be as bad as NAMA, the FF plan to rob the PAYE taxpayer while bailing out the bankers and developers.

To force a general election, FF must lose the Lisbon vote. I am calling on Don't Knows to put the future well-being of this country before the demands of Eurocrats. The EU can continue as it is without Lisbon. But NAMA would destroy this country for generations.

Stop NAMA - vote No to Lisbon.

I've never read such crap before in all the time I've been reading posts on boards.

Vote no to Lisbon if you have an issue with its contents, That is the only plausible reason to vote no.

I'm against Lisbon as i don't like QMV, Crack pot theories like this advising a no vote do people with genuine reasons for voting no, no favor's!

THINK AND THEN SPEAK! not the other way round.

Do you even know what lisbon is about?

afatbollix

shouldent we vote yes so Europe can get more involved :pac:

meditraitor

humanji wrote:

And what happens to the guys in the bar...

meditraitor wrote: »

Paddy irish man, paddy english man, paddy scotch man walk into a bar............:rolleyes:

The barman turns around and says: "What is this, some kind of joke?"

amacachi

Oh sweet Jesus.

Sam Vimes

FF are not proposing this treaty, the EU are. It's not a case of "FF losing"
An uninformed no vote will do more harm to the country than it will to FF. There are reasons to vote yes beyond doing FF a favour
All of the opposition parties support the treaty too so there would be no justification for calling an election over the issue
Getting 12% in the local elections didn't get rid of them, a poll showing that 87% of people want a general election didn't get rid of them and a call for a vote of no confidence from Enda Kenny didn't get rid of them. This won't get rid of them either

Dinner

Did FF call a general election when Lisbon 1 was rejected? No.
Did FF call a general election after a disasterous local/Euro election? No.
Did a motion of no confidence in the Dail force a general election? No.

You're kidding yourself and hurting Europe by voting no to force an election. It won't work.

humanji

That makes no sense whatsoever. The government have pretty much destroyed the country and have yet to call a GE. Why would getting a no vote make a different? Sure if people are going to be petty and vote no just to piss off the governmetn, why shouldn't the government be petty and refuse to call a GE?

And what happens to the guys in the bar...

PopeBuckfastXVI

Your whole premise is ridiculous.

Voting 'No' to Lisbon will stop Lisbon, not NAMA.

meditraitor

Paddy irish man, paddy english man, paddy scotch man walk into a bar............:rolleyes: