Any person who curseth his father or mother must be killed ~Leviticus 20:9 Exodus 35:2 : "For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a holy day, a sabbath of complete rest to the LORD; whoever does any work on it shall be put to death."
Sealclubber wrote: » Ouch, slap on the wrist. Fair enough. Could one of the religious among you explain to me why a dude having sex with another dude is sinful, and why it's anyone else's business when they're not harming anyone. And "because Jesus said so" isn't really what I'm looking for, I really want to know what people find so fundamentally repulsive about it.
Malty_T wrote: » Also, can I add this question : IF homosexuality is viewed as a sin, could I not say that because we are all born sinners, we are all, by default, sort of homosexual?
PDN wrote: » We've had this debate before ad neauseam in this forum, and most non-Christians disagree with my view that homosexual acts are a choice & that nobody is born a homosexual.
ironingbored wrote: » It is quite sad that such opinions prevail in 2009. A couple of things: 1) If you truly believe that homosexuality is a choice then it is obvious you do not know anyone who is gay. 2) What you say goes against all scientific study into sexual orientation. 3) You may have discussed this topic "ad neauseam" [sic] but it is quite obvious you have failed grasp the facts. 4) Something that happens in nature cannot be unnatural. What is unnatural is not having any sex whatsoever with whomever.
prinz wrote: » When they find the "gay gene" let me know. Until then, nature v. nurture is wide open.
Malty_T wrote: » It may be still a wee bit open, but you're failing to recognise that the odds on nuture winning are dropping everyday:P
ironingbored wrote: » What can be utterly discounted is the notion that homosexuality is somehow a lifestyle choice or manifests itself as a result of environmental factors.
ironingbored wrote: » I have always been very suspicious of those who are virulently opposed to homosexuality. I think it may have something to do with being afraid of their true Kinsey scale score.
prinz wrote: » Why can it be utterly discounted? . You are disregarding one explanation for something which has yet to be explained, how open minded of you.
prinz wrote: » Hilarious. I presume you hold the same idea about people who are virulently opposed to God.
ironingbored wrote: » Are you saying you believe that the manifestation of homosexuality is derived from one's environment?
ironingbored wrote: » Homosexuality is a reality. God is not.
Morbert wrote: » prinz, if it was found that homosexuality was a natural tendency, stemming from genetics and biology, would it affect your view on it?
prinz wrote: » No.
pts wrote: » I just came across this YT video, created by http://www.marriagequality.ie As far as I know it hasn't been posted before, I'm a curious what the locals make of the argument made in it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ULdaSrYGLQ
ironingbored wrote: » Ehm....pot....kettle....anyone?
prinz wrote: » I really do get sick of the 'Christians are homophobic bigots' attitudes after a while.
elekid wrote: » I understand where you're coming from but if someone said: "I believe worshipping the christian god is an immoral act and it would be better if the people who identified as christians refrained from worship. It's possible to love god without actually praying, attending mass or reading a bible. Being christian is a choice anyway, a matter of nurture and societal factors, so there's no reason they couldn't just worship a different god instead. That just what I believe. Oh, but I have nothing against christians, I love the sinner not the sin" Would you be impressed? Would you believe that last part? How would you feel if some of the most respected figures in society started saying stuff like that? Would you feel that such a message could help spread violence, hatred and intolerance towards people engaging in christian acts? Would you feel that as long as the person saying it sincerely believed it, you'd be ok for this message to be spread to impressionable people, or people who are just looking for excuses to commit violent acts towards christians? How would you feel if that view or belief was a considered as a factor in deciding whether christians should have similar but lesser rights to other citizens?
prinz wrote: » People are free to have/share and express that opinion. You'll find many do that right here in this forum. Other countries have many restrictions on public expressions of religion etc, I am perfectly ok with that. If someone tells me I am a moron, brainwashed into believing in a fictitious God, good for them. If that person managed to get elected/be a respected member of society I still have no problem with it.
mehfesto2 wrote: » Would you mind if it directly affected you personally? i.e. you couldn't get married?
elekid wrote: » I understand where you're coming from but if someone said: "I believe worshipping the christian god is an immoral act and it would be better if the people who identified as christians refrained from worship. It's possible to love god without actually praying, attending mass or reading a bible. Being christian is a choice anyway, a matter of nurture and societal factors, so there's no reason they couldn't just worship a different god instead. That just what I believe. Oh, but I have nothing against christians, I love the sinner not the sin"
elekid wrote: » Would you be impressed?
elekid wrote: » Would you believe that last part?
elekid wrote: » How would you feel if some of the most respected figures in society started saying stuff like that?
elekid wrote: » Would you feel that such a message could help spread violence, hatred and intolerance towards people engaging in christian acts?
elekid wrote: » Would you feel that as long as the person saying it sincerely believed it, you'd be ok for this message to be spread to impressionable people, or people who are just looking for excuses to commit violent acts towards christians?
elekid wrote: » How would you feel if that view or belief was a considered as a factor in deciding whether christians should have similar but lesser rights to other citizens?
elekid wrote: » Earlier responses on this thread have made me see how unlikely it is that christians will ever change their view on homosexual acts but I'd just like to see if they at least understand where people who argue against that view and cry homophobia are coming from (btw, I don't think individual christians are necessarily homophobic, it's just the message can really comes across that way).
Morbert wrote: » What is the Biblical stance on remarriage (i.e. marriage after a divorce)? I read a Bible passage somewhere recently that Jesus considered it an act of adultery. Is this true? Did I misread it (I'll dig it up soon)?
Matthew 19:9 wrote: And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality and marries another commits adultery.
JimiTime wrote: » For those who believe Christians are bigots and homophobic, what do you think should be done to those who continue to hold to Gods moral code? Are there any actions that you wish were taken against institutions, or people for believing that God is our moral source? Or do you feel that the namecalling is enough? I.E. That eventually it will stick, so that to say you are a Christian has similar conotations to calling oneself a racist?
